****/**** must be legalised in this game! GM read this.

Idon't think Embrace should be removed Wrathx. It can be helpful if two people need to get somewhere and a friend can carry you (Especially when you have to go away from the keybord at times).

I think the idea of having females embracing females is a good one and males embracing males. And if it was humanly possible I would really love that feature to be added on. But at the expense of the entire site going down for god knows how long for re-programming? I just don't think it is worth it. It is a game. something we must enjoy. We must keep in mind we don't have to actually pay for this game so we should accept its 'faults' and be thankful we have it at all

Ok, look. If you think you have problems, you don't.

I'm a girl trapped in a guys body, and I'm attracted only to other girls. So I guess I'm technically somewhere between straight and **** or even bi?

I don't give a rats-*** about not being able to embrace my girlfriend, and marriage is something that I really don't care about either.

All I have to say to the person that started this is: Take a F-ing Pill, and get over yourself.

I personally think there's nothing wrong with LGBTs, but I'm sure there are many parents who don't want their kids exposed to these kinds of things, and we have to respect their wishes, too.
I'm sure most players would prefer fixed bugs and things like that than the ability to see a guy holding another guy.
Plus, PWI would lose money from people who don't want to be exposed to that kind of relationship between ppl.

In short, whoever started this thread is a narrow-minded idiot.

Well put kensaki, treat others the way you'd want to be treated.

@bobzilla- kids see stuff 900x worse when they flip on the tv, or in real life society for that matter. If people are that worried about being "exposed" to a guy on guy embrace, then they can turn on the "only show characters within 10m radius" and not go near them, problem solved. I agree and disagree with saying the thread starter is a narrow-minded idiot, sure the poster was rude and demanding, but really..it's been a controversial issue for quite some time. If he/she was an idiot, why bother posting in this thread, just to say it?

I'm always astonished that the ****/**** marriage theme can cause so much distress. Even in a computer game!

Well I'm ****, and it doesn't bother me at all that ingame ****-marriage isn't allowed. I just suppose that the one that was charged with the ingame marriage just didn't think of it. Lets be honest, **** and lesbians do represent a minority, so it isn't a drama that the developers didn't insert this option.

However, to all those non-tolerant and moral crusaders, I would like to ask one thing: You guys are against ingame homosexuality, but do accept ingame zoophily? I mean if you're against two guys making out, why doesn't it bother you that a girl marries a wolf?

I believe that we shouldn't forget that it's just a game, not a political forum!

You know what? This argument wouldn't have happened if they didnt even include this option. They should just remove it and end all this ****. That way they won't be offending the **** or the straights.

Here's a suggestion.

You want to embrace female characters?

What stops you from playing a male character?

This topic had been beaten to death. can you flog a dead horse any more? I really suggest you read my articles on same gendered embracing, for you apparently must not understand Chinese esoterics.

After looking this thread, I got curious and checked your post. Good research, though I must say that this game is as Chinese as JRR Tolkien... Only a joke, but hey, after reading all of Pu Songling's Tales and Joruney to the West, I can't remember the winged elves or the guys in medieval armor. Venomancers are the only class actually based on Chinese Folklore.

Anyways, you get a point, because although this game seems to be inspired on Mid-Earth, it really follows Chinese Philosophy. The dialogs of MangMang are actual taoist lectures, the elements are accurate and the levels of Consciousness are real... at least for Buddhists and Taoists.



Back to the topic. I really don't care for same-sex marriage or embracing in this game. It can even be an original gameplay mechanic! Imagine this: You're on a heavy TW, your Faction mate gets killed and the healers are far away so they can't be easily targeted. You can carry your dead mate to safety so he can get revived! Cool!

However, it might not be a possibility in this game for reasons more practical than Chinese philosophy or "Moral issues". You'll see, on a game, characters are modeled on a program such as 3DStudio Max and then parented to a "skeleton". Kinda like a human skeleton, this thing enables characters to move and take various poses while looking natural. However, one wonderful thing about this skeleton thing is that, if you make a pose on it, you can use it on a different model, and this model will do the same pose! That's how MMORPG's manage to get a lot of different characters to act in the same way.

However, there's a drawback: Skeletons aren't compatible with every model.

1. just changing one little script isnt going to make the game explode.
Yes...yes it can...*shudders*

Yeah, you're right. Even a single char out of line can make a game explode or worse. In fact, it's not as simple as "changing a little script"... in order to make same-sex embraces, developers will have to do something like: Parent the skeleton pose to the female models, then change the script that controls the actions that female chars can do in order to put "Embrace" as one, then make (or copy) the "Accept embracing" system in order to let males take the decision too, replace the old system with this one and then, maybe it will work.

Why do I say "maybe"? Because, as the pose was made using the "male" skeleton model, and some odd things may happen, like that, instead of actually having the embraced character in your arms, it would be floating above you! O_o ...Or stuck on your chest.


Well, sorry for the game design discourse over there... I'm not against the idea, but well, it can be difficult to implement. More difficult than it seems... BTW, Sereniama, good point. I praise your edition of the first post. And yeah, there's nothing bad being catholic... or any religion. The bad things come when you're like this guy:

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Hisui - Heavens Tear wrote: »

GMs can't do anything about this. This goes back to the original programming of the game, which they cannot change.

They CAN change it in the game, if they cant they are total noobs in programming, EVERY game can be changed, just a patch and its done

On Topic:
I think they should allow it, i wont use it, but if it makes ppl feel better, why wont they change it? ive been in the mmorpg world for 6 years now, and making ppl feel better, even if its a small group, has been better for every game i know.

Evoken - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Homosexuality is socially rejected

Let your partner be the opposite sex in the game and then hug him/her,
it's already annoying that 70% (My opinion) of the girls are guy players >_<

b:cry im sorry but al im hearing is simple headed and almost rasitical whining,

btw: yea im a guy ,yea i play veno cuz i like the class,
and no even if i could i wouldnt change my veno's sex simply cuz id have to look at a male tigers ars every second i'd play PWI

Sereniama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

TRUE Christians don't do that stuff like you saw post #41 because we don't have to listen to those type of people because they are mean and rude and selfish.

That has nothing to do with being Christian thats just being a good human being.

Half the problem is most people who says their Christian, Jewish , Muslim, Hindu, or any other religion doesnt really know what they believe they just found a title and a basic model that they are trying to form themselves to.
Religion is as personal as your sex life you just dont talk about it really. There will always be points in an organized "religion" that you'll agree with and disagree with.

That aside I saw your apology Sereniama and that was might big of you to apologize like that imo. But I understand you get pissed and mouth off everyone does that eventually. But what you said should be said, just not in the manner in which you said it.With that, Apology Accepted for saying it the wrong way.

All right, I'm going to make this crystal clear :

Do not post content with the intent of offending others. Do not post profanity. Do not insult other people on these forums, no matter how different their viewpoint is from yours. Do not flame other people or other viewpoints, religions, or moral stances.

If the best you can come up for your viewpoint is to send accusations of idiocy or stupidity, do everyone involved a favor and post it to your Notepad application rather than the internet.

Personally, I'm not really for Lez/**** stuff being Christian, but I still don't go around saying LEZO'S AND **** SUX! And by saying 'I'm not into it' I say I most certiantly will never be one. I find some ****/lez's are some of the nicest people I've ever met. And I'm not 100% relaxed around them, (especially Lez since I'm a girl...) but more like 90% so I'm not fully against them.

Anyway, I'd like to be able to carry girlxgirl for the usefulness... but, it would be complicated, so I figure it'll be ages (if at all) for them to put it in. But I deal with it.

Christian and no. If they would change it, I'm quitting the game. It's just gross and it's not right. It's the same thing to Christians playing a game allowing same sex marriage as playing a game with lots of cursing or suggestive things. It's wrong to play a game with so much sin in it like that.

I do agree with the girl embrace girl though for the reason that it would be nice so that you could carry someone to make things easier if you are both going to the same place or if they need help with the newbie jumping quests or something. For that matter, it would be helpful if girls could carry boys too, but that would look kinda weird. xD lol

Shouldn't someone close this thread?! This really asn't anything to do with PW anymore.