Don't give in to evil zhen parties!

Renara - Heavens Tear
Renara - Heavens Tear Posts: 145 Arc User
edited June 2009 in General Discussion
Last night I went to visit my new favorite grinding spot, the seaweed thieves just outside Sanctuary. These guys are a soloing venomancer's dream: Their damage type is earth, so they have low resistance to our wood attacks; they occupy a large area with no other types of monsters mixed in; they do not help each other when attacked, so you can simply pull one that's standing right next to another; and there is water all around that you can jump into if you get in trouble. Since they're melee-only, they can't do anything to you once you hit the water.

The seaweed thieves are apparently also a zhen party's dream. There seems to usually be a zhen party standing in a clearing in the middle of the thieves, and someone riding around on a mount pulling them in large numbers. That's fine with me; there are plenty of thieves to go around, and they are always respawning quickly. And most of the zhenners seem to be nice folk who don't mind sharing this large, bountiful area with others.

But it raises my hackles when zhenners demand that I leave their vicinity. In my opinion, their use of a game exploit does not grant them exclusive ownership of every seaweed thief. This happened last night, and I stubbornly stayed. After they gave up attempting to dissuade me with foul language, one of their pullers, a barbarian, began trying to KS me every chance he got. When this failed to work--he really thought he could outdamage a veno?--he started taunting my targets to follow him back to the zhen group. This actually helped me, since I could still easily kill the thieves before they made it there, and I no longer needed to heal my frog. Aggro kiting ftw!

Eventually, the group obtained the help of an archer to follow me around and attempt to KS every single thief I went after. It seems likely to me that such continuing, deliberate harrassment is against the terms of use for the game, but I found their counterproductive behavior too fascinating to call in a GM. Would they ever realize that by adding their damage to mine, they were helping me kill thieves even faster? Plus it was fun trying to outdamage the archer, which I often was successful in doing. Remember, these are earth-based monsters against which I had the advantage! Even when I failed, I still received my share of experience for the damage I inflicted, and the archer's presence was actually helpful when I got adds.

After an hour or so, a wizard teamed up with the archer to outdamage me. He soon departed, though, after I remarked, "Wow, that zhen party is really gonna hate the three of us for wiping out their thieves!" But the archer remained with me. The challenge she presented was so entertaining that I stayed far longer than I had originally intended. But eventually the need for sleep prevailed, and I said my goodbyes. To his credit, the barbarian came over and admitted that he admired my tenacity.

Looking over my loot back in Archosaur, I was astonished to find a two-star robe with +3 MP regen. I hadn't even been aware that two-star items could drop from normal monsters. I'm wearing it now.

These zhenners reminded me of the little green lizards I used to catch in my yard as a child. I found it amusing that they would rather hang from my finger biting me than let go and drop to the freedom of the bushes over which I dangled them. In their hatred of me for killing "their" thieves, the zhenners only helped me do it faster.

Moral of the story: You don't have to give in to evil zhen parties. Stick to your guns, and you might have some fun. Well, on the pve servers, anyway. b:laugh
"Sorry, we don't need a barbarian. We have a frog."
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  • Hisui - Heavens Tear
    Hisui - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,369 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Robe of the cosmos only come in 2 stars.
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  • Renara - Heavens Tear
    Renara - Heavens Tear Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Robe of the cosmos only come in 2 stars.

    Doh! Okay, thanks for the info!
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  • Aedril - Sanctuary
    Aedril - Sanctuary Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Wow, you are an awesome writer. I just couldn't help but read every word you wrote and admire how it all flowed together.

    Such an entertaining story too! I find the irony of the situation be quite amusing as well.
  • Sifow - Sanctuary
    Sifow - Sanctuary Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Shame there are people doing that to you. The game is for everyone so they should just go die somewhere. If it was me I could probably have gotten faction to come back me up. Though from reading your story I assume you're either too stubborn to ask for backup or you were enjoying it as it was. Hopefully they won't bother you anymore.
  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Glad you stuck in there. Too bad in Lost City, all it becomes is a giant PvP fest, lol.
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  • Kelebek - Sanctuary
    Kelebek - Sanctuary Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    What game exploit are you talking about?
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Wow, you are an awesome writer. I just couldn't help but read every word you wrote and admire how it all flowed together.
    I agree with this; it feels like a rare thing, to see someone who writes well in an MMO community. :P

    Although to be honest, I just came in here because I hoped I'd get an in-context clue as to what the hell zhenning even is. Is zhenning itself the "exploit?" Or if there's a FAQ/guide for it, I'd appreciate being pointed to it so I don't derail your thread. :)
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  • Ermosa - Heavens Tear
    Ermosa - Heavens Tear Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    zhen party is:
    2 pullers
    2-3 damage dealers(archers or wizards)
    1-2 clerics

    damage dealers get to spot were r many mobs around and make aoe spam, clerics make blue ball(healing spell), if have 2 clerics then one make blue ball, other make red ball. and pullers just lure mobs to aoe bubble were they die pretty fast. pullers can be like any class, just have to be fast, thats why mounts r in game. i have lured mobs with my archer too

    note: archers have to duel to set nonstop aoe
  • Ermosa - Heavens Tear
    Ermosa - Heavens Tear Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    and ya nice story making zhenners look bad. but u forgot to write somthing, that u was the one who started to ks when zhen party was up there.

    and its not exploit, no1 getting banned for zhenning, its legal you idi*t

    and no1 would mind that u grind there if u wouldnt steal mobs from pullers

    oh well, u just make ur guild look bad. ksers guild
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    thats one of few zhen spots for that level range, while there are a lot of grind spots, i think im going to try to go grind on where there are rare pet spawns, im sure no venos would mind, i would let those pesky pet catchers have their fun
  • Wwing - Heavens Tear
    Wwing - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    one thing for sure... attempting to kill the mob that already been touched by others is KSing , unless permitted.

    and no one has the right to tell others to move just because he/she is trying to grind there. (apply to you and the zhen party).
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  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I will be one to say that I was KSing her because she was taking mobs from a zhen after they had POLITELY asked her to stop taking their pulls. I watched her attacked mobs that had ALREADY been pulled several times, and she ignored polite requests to stop her actions.

    Notice how the only people that sided with her are venomancers. Sounds like someone's pissed that their character class isn't capable of zhenning unless they pull on a mount; barbs and BM's get that role most of the time anyways. Sucks to be you, start a pitty party for all I care.
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  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I say it doesn't matter. If the zhen party wanted to try to weed out the veno, then good for them. If the veno wanted to stay, good for them.

    No one has a right to the area. The fact that the two groups were competing for the hundreds of respawning mobs probably only created more fun in an otherwise dull chase for experience. Admit it - it makes the grind a lot easier when there's competition.

    When a situation like this happens, you have a few options from either side.
    1) Move
    2) Invite to party
    3) Kill them
    4) Kill steal
    5) Ignore eachother
    6) Make a post on the forum about it

    And who says kill stealing is a bad thing? From either side? Sure, it's not the nicest thing to do, but come on people... People who let others boss them around end up not leveling or not making any coins.
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  • Wwing - Heavens Tear
    Wwing - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I will be one to say that I was KSing her because she was taking mobs from a zhen after they had POLITELY asked her to stop taking their pulls. I watched her attacked mobs that had ALREADY been pulled several times, and she ignored polite requests to stop her actions.

    Notice how the only people that sided with her are venomancers. Sounds like someone's pissed that their character class isn't capable of zhenning unless they pull on a mount; barbs and BM's get that role most of the time anyways. Sucks to be you, start a pitty party for all I care.
    Personally, I don't believe that attacking pulled mobs are KSing, because one can pull every single mob on the area yet not personally kill them. Pulled by damaging the mob is another thing.
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  • jenenji
    jenenji Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Personally, I don't believe that attacking pulled mobs are KSing, because one can pull every single mob on the area yet not personally kill them. Pulled by damaging the mob is another thing.

    I agree with you. b:victory
  • Damion - Lost City
    Damion - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I think its funny that carebears on PvE servers have to flame in forums over zhen parties near sant. Try coming over to where the big bloys play on Lost City and all your high lvls belong to us. If you were on Lost City and not zhening on wolves near DSP, which still get crashed, you wouldn't zhen for more than 5 minutes before Conq, Bloodlust, or RQ would have you in the fetal position crying becasue you wasted your Miji. Dont cry over spilt milk especially when your level 6x+ with a blue name still.
  • jenenji
    jenenji Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I think its funny that carebears on PvE servers have to flame in forums over zhen parties near sant. Try coming over to where the big bloys play on Lost City and all your high lvls belong to us.



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  • tankhunter
    tankhunter Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    and ya nice story making zhenners look bad. but u forgot to write somthing, that u was the one who started to ks when zhen party was up there.

    and its not exploit, no1 getting banned for zhenning, its legal you idi*t

    and no1 would mind that u grind there if u wouldnt steal mobs from pullers

    oh well, u just make ur guild look bad. ksers guild

    By the sounds of her view in the story, she was there grinding quietly, zhenners told her to leave with foul language, she kept going after her kills, while the puller moved in to try to KS her and drag her kills away, which she continued to just kill her kills right out.

    The zhen party tried to KS her, then got an archer to focus on KSing her while they focus more on their grinding.

    So, who got KSed and who did the KSing? It seems that the zhen party tried to KS, but got KSed on what they were trying to KS. End result? No one got KSed.


    I take from the story, and the explanation on what a zhen party is, that zhenning is the equivalent to the AoE party of other games.

    It should be taken, that regardless of its a zhen party or not, if someone else debuffed, or attacked a monster before you, and you are not in a party with them, then don't attack it, your KSing.

    So just pulling a monster by running past it and the monster is attacked its not KSing, because the monster was not either debuffed, or damaged before the attack.
  • Lecher - Sanctuary
    Lecher - Sanctuary Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    my question goes to the level 82 who said he/she was there...

    only way i can figure why a level 82 was there is because u got an alt who was in the spot with the zhen party. otherwise why would you be in a party killing level 63 mobs
  • jenenji
    jenenji Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    my question goes to the level 82 who said he/she was there...

    only way i can figure why a level 82 was there is because u got an alt who was in the spot with the zhen party. otherwise why would you be in a party killing level 63 mobs

    I was wondering this myself.
  • Lecher - Sanctuary
    Lecher - Sanctuary Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Try coming over to where the big bloys play on Lost City .

    ha freudian slip? didn't u mean blows not bloys?

    i have a 72 on pvp server, i left him 2 months ago because i prefer pve...

    the big BOYS play on whatever server they want to, so i say, topic starter, FLAME AWAY. if you're out there playing by yourself and a party of guys who just want to stand there for hours wanna give u a hard time, enjoy getting free xp from them, i say why not just shoot every mob they pull once for a little extra in the end? believe me if they started pulling your mobs and they had the nerve to complain about you being there, you have all the right in the world to target each of their pulls and just single shot them for free xp and no worries of pet usage. it may not be much xp, but the emotions you will garner will be worth it completely, never know, they may end up moving along or just leaving u alone altogether
  • Blancheneige - Heavens Tear
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,494 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    and ya nice story making zhenners look bad. but u forgot to write somthing, that u was the one who started to ks when zhen party was up there.

    and its not exploit, no1 getting banned for zhenning, its legal you idi*t

    and no1 would mind that u grind there if u wouldnt steal mobs from pullers

    oh well, u just make ur guild look bad. ksers guild

    Read better, it was the zhenners who tried to KS the veno, not the other way around. Putting up a zhenning party in an area don't give you ownership over any mobs in there until you effectively aggro them.
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  • Erinis - Heavens Tear
    Erinis - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    It doesn't really matter if mob was damaged or not, if someone trying to pull mob to his group and you take it from him, its still ksing as mob already engaged in combat with that person.

    Its really pity that Most easier class to play and most rich at same time is usually class that complains.

    Zhening doesn't break any rules. Its true that archers have to "glitch" their aoe by dueling someone, but its only way to make that skill work as intended, which was already confirmed by GMs.
  • Ermosa - Heavens Tear
    Ermosa - Heavens Tear Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    blancheneige, we there was 1st, why i should read what some1 writes when i was there? that veno just came to ks us. and if mobs followed pullers then they got aggro
    and really, if u see blademaster pulling mobs to solo aoe them then would u also jump in the middle and kill the mobs he pulled to kill them? only cuz he didnt att them before pulled? thats just ridicilous. and there is no difference in solo aoe or zhen party, we pull monsters to aoe them and some1 jump in and get those mobs.
    if u see some1 training at that spot then leave to other place and wait till they r done.
    and one of venos today said that he/she is lvl 58....sorry but lvl 58 veno gets more exp from training at their lvl mobs, they just went there to ks and have fun with it
    and how u would like to waste mp charm only cuz some idiot want to grind next to you?
  • Amiris - Sanctuary
    Amiris - Sanctuary Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    if u see some1 training at that spot then leave to other place and wait till they r done.

    Plenty of mobs to go around. Share some, wouldya?
    and one of venos today said that he/she is lvl 58....sorry but lvl 58 veno gets more exp from training at their lvl mobs, they just went there to ks and have fun with it

    No, she went there because they're earth element and very easy to kill. Read her description next time.
    and how u would like to waste mp charm only cuz some idiot want to grind next to you?

    You mean to say people aren't allowed to grind next to you? Everyone who grinds next to you is an idiot? Nice selfish person you are. If she wants to grind there, let her. You do NOT own the place.
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  • Homaru - Lost City
    Homaru - Lost City Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Nice wording luv u
  • Chloe - Heavens Tear
    Chloe - Heavens Tear Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I'm just sick of these parties to begin with. First off, they can't even spell. Its ZEN. Yes I know where the original name came from but take a look, you don't see that word on this version of PW do you? Didn't think so. New version, new terms. Zen works becasue of how much you have to spend just to participate in oneb:chuckle

    I've also noticed that too many people think its the only way you can possibly level, claiming its impossible to level without doing it. Well I'm sorry but its anything but impossible. Plus, its actually more worth it to not participate in an aoe party because if you level slower, you get more drops and therefore, more money. Also, you won't be blowing through charms like they are nothing. Yes I'm a cleric and no I will never waste my time with people who are too un-intelligent to either learn how to spell or come up with a name that actually applies. Watch how much more money I make than you without even trying. b:victory

    Now directly about the topic. Veno is there killing, you people show up to aoe, and try to drive her off because you want all the monsters to yourselves. Greedy anyone? Learn to share. The spawn does not belong to you, it belongs to PWE. Don't try to claim it as your own. You are not the only players that are on this game.
  • Erinis - Heavens Tear
    Erinis - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I'm just sick of these parties to begin with. First off, they can't even spell. Its ZEN. Yes I know where the original name came from but take a look, you don't see that word on this version of PW do you? Didn't think so. New version, new terms. Zen works becasue of how much you have to spend just to participate in oneb:chuckle

    I've also noticed that too many people think its the only way you can possibly level, claiming its impossible to level without doing it. Well I'm sorry but its anything but impossible. Plus, its actually more worth it to not participate in an aoe party because if you level slower, you get more drops and therefore, more money. Also, you won't be blowing through charms like they are nothing. Yes I'm a cleric and no I will never waste my time with people who are too un-intelligent to either learn how to spell or come up with a name that actually applies. Watch how much more money I make than you without even trying. b:victory

    Now directly about the topic. Veno is there killing, you people show up to aoe, and try to drive her off because you want all the monsters to yourselves. Greedy anyone? Learn to share. The spawn does not belong to you, it belongs to PWE. Don't try to claim it as your own. You are not the only players that are on this game.
    Easy to say by you on lvl 40 and maybe if you are full attack cleric.
    If you are pure healer you have basically none but one attack spell and very little HP. once you reach lvl 65+ you will find that its not so easy anymore as some mobs can 3 hit you and if you unlucky and get 2 sacrifice mobs same time not even Heiro gona save you.
    Don't make me wrong i did make it till 68 without grouping except when helping someone else with FB's or quests, but Zhen (yeah i use it too just to make it different from boutique ZEN) is now 10 times faster to exp and probably not even more expensive considering how much my HP charm ticking now when soloing mobs.
  • Davitiel - Heavens Tear
    Davitiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 978 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Nice writing style, very concise and fluid; its almost like a fable.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I'd just like to say I lol'd at the guy taunting us for not being on Lost City.

    How exactly does Zhen/Zen require an archer to do a glitch? Is that how it's an exploit?
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