Jolly Old Jones (Fair or Unfair?)

Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
edited March 2009 in Dungeons & Tactics
Ok...my hubby and I went to him...got our costumes...but for some odd reason the guy gives my hubby a costume he can't even wear....why is that? How fair is that?

Secondly...this Stallion....Midnight..........we have been working extremely hard to get one. Between the two of us...we have spent well over 400,000 buying these Guardian Angels....only to get some stupid gift box, treat or something. We've not even come close.

Is there something we are doing wrong? Should we be paying Jolly Old Jones the 100,000 coins instead of getting him the Guardian Angel?

I mean he does ask for either...but as soon as we buy the angel...we do not even get a chance to return to him and talk to him...it is automatically taken from our inventory and replaced with some stupid gift box or treat.

So how fair is it that he gives out costumes to people who cannot even wear them, as well as this whole Midnight business?
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  • Venoblood - Heavens Tear
    Venoblood - Heavens Tear Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Different classes get different level costumes. Such as for Venomancers; our costumes are a measly requirement of level 10. Blademasters and Barbarians are required to be level 30 to wear their costumes, and I'm not sure about clerics/archers, as I have not played as either. It may be a little unfair, but that's just how they did things. Oh, by the way, your chance of getting Midnight is like 1/100-1000, or so I've heard. Sure, you may see one person after the other getting Midnights in the System chat, but you don't really know how much they could've spent trying to get it.
  • Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Well, the costumes should be something all could use and wear. That just seems way to unfair to me. As to Midnight, fine that cane be understood...but come on...those Guardian Angels are like way too expensive and very hard to get or find. Might as well take our coins and just buy a darn mount then...seeing as they cost that much anyway....everything seems so expensive inside PW. And it takes like forever to get that much coin saved up to pay for these things in the first place.

    And as to the costumes...um there should be a choice as to what one could get. I mean why would every female want to dress as a Fairy? Yes it is a nice costume...but we should be given a choice.
  • Biovolk - Heavens Tear
    Biovolk - Heavens Tear Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    join the crowd. this event is just another coin/gold sink. you have to pay to participate in it.
  • Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    *Rolls eyes* Just another one of those then heh? Geesh...can't anyone enjoy anything? As it is I spend way too much money on this stuff anyway. But when it comes to working your behind off within a game to get what you want...then one should be entitled to get it.
  • keyblade201
    keyblade201 Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    yeah this whole thing is like a scam.me and my bro spent like 400k doin this and we only got candy. now we have to save all over agaiin.which wll take like weeks
  • Greenfaerie - Sanctuary
    Greenfaerie - Sanctuary Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    keyblade201 wrote: »
    yeah this whole thing is like a scam.me and my bro spent like 400k doin this and we only got candy. now we have to save all over agaiin.which wll take like weeks

    That is what happend with me. My boyfriend got me and him 10 each of the angel dolls and on his 5th doll he won that horse. I did the same thing gave him all my dolls and all i got was a bunch of candy i was b:angry.
    BadKittie by day
    Greenfaerie by night
  • Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    I agree it's ridiculous and unfair really. Not to mention...even if you were to buy a horse...look at how much one has to pay for it. 100,000 coins. Geesh, the monsters don't even drop that much money, not to mention you have to spend your coin to pay for your skills etc...

    Then there's the issue with not enough information on where to actually find specific things either. Like when given a particular quest...if it is not an NPC you are going to speak with...and if it is an actual monster you're going to kill...one you've not seen yet....therefore you've no clue where to find this creature at. And it takes forever to find them. The description might say to the Southeast...when it is actually more to the East or Northeast where you finally find it hours later.

    But yes, I as well as my husband feel this is a scam. Oh and there's another thing...I sit and work and work fighting creatures...getting ahead of my husband in experience. And then next thing I know we go do the same quest together...at the beginning of this quest our experience and level is the same...at the end...he is way ahead of me in experience and level...yet I had done more of the work.

    Now why is that? I'm even fighting things at higher levels than he is, and still not gaining.
  • kargor
    kargor Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    There's people like this and people like that.

    I met someone in the game who just clicked through the event, then bought a GA, and got an armor box. I couldn't help him with that since I don't know how these boxes work, but he spent all his money on this. He thought he got the dress out of it, which... well, it was a bit of a disappointment for him to learn that this part was free, and that the whole "GA quest" that he got was just a ripoff from the game company. He seems to have left the game now, or at least I haven't seen him since. Understandable, this kind of event can really **** off people.

    Which shouldn't happen since the event WAS described as a lottery, but not everyone reads the stuff... oh well.

    Me, on the other hand... I know I can't afford to play the lottery (I have a little over 500K cash by now), so I didn't. This isn't my first F2P game, so I know how "events" work and I simply don't care. I did try the dress, but using the normal armor again. The look can be debated, but the colors are wrong anyway.

    Nobody "has" to pay for anything in this event. You can simply choose to not play in the lottery. You do not need a mount in Perfect World --- from what I can see, you can fly for free or walk for free. I usually fly, even though walking might be faster if I can go in a straight line, but usually I can't, either because of the territory or simply because I'm not a tank build.
    Yindra --- Lvl 64 Venomancer (Sanctuary)
    Getting too grindy by now :-(
  • x4ndr4x
    x4ndr4x Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    the rich got luck , the poor got chanceb:bye
  • Fiesty - Lost City
    Fiesty - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Obvious ripoff, I bought 10 angels and got nothing but junk candy lol.
  • Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Exactly my point! And it's a shame too that something like this would cause someone to actually leave a game. Especially one that is fun to play...but one has to admit...despite this stupid little lottery thing....EVERYTHING is expensive to buy in there. I mean come on...think about it...take Mystical Meat for instance.

    That item sells for 800....yet to actually buy it from one of the shops...they were actually asking over 3,000....in fact one place I had seen it going for over 4,000 coins. That is simply outrageous. Some of these people actually have no common sense when it comes to selling products. Sure I understand you want to make a profit...everyone does...but come on now that's outrageous.

    And the Mystical Meat wasn't the only item I had seen like this. Many items were like this. Even when you go to the NPC's to buy things like the potions, weapons, etc....those can be a bit pricey....but atleast they are better than what the players try to charge.
  • yummybunz
    yummybunz Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    I brought 10 angels.. and i get the necklace and midnite... after that it is all candy box and pills.. on second try... i brought another 10 angels... this time i got the sword and the wing.. then the rest is pills... guess i am consider lucky...

    the most wanted item for me is midnite and sword and i got both.. then gave the wing to a elf cleric in my guild.... overall.. consider this is a raffle ticket..it is like playing lotto.. someone can just win with USD5.00 while the others never had a chance to win regardless how much money they put it...

    beside.. the money we talking about it is "Perfect World" money... is not even USD.... of course you have the option to buy angel with real cash and test your luck......
  • Drkgem - Lost City
    Drkgem - Lost City Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    also wanted to say that.. yes this game is free... but consider PW n with the server, tech suppport , gaming and etc..... .. unless PW have trillion of dollars to pay all the network cost and support ...oterhwise they need to get paid some how in order to keep it running right??
  • mightynyx
    mightynyx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    I spent quite a bit on trying to get one of the items to help travel faster whether it was Midnight, Israfel, the flying sword for friend, or wings for my boyfriend. It really sucks and I will probably never take part in an event again. I think the stupidest thing is that the only free item, the costumes, that it had a higher requisite for the males. Seriously? How is that fair at all. Are they just trying to make a ton of males level up so they could wear them or what? If I didn't put so much time into this game with my group of friends, I'd probably try to find another game. The game itself is pretty fun, but I hate all these scams. I will just simply not use my hard earned in game coins on anything so dumb.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Revolt.
  • kargor
    kargor Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    It is true that an F2P game needs to get its money from somewhere --- the part I don't like, however, is that all F2P games I've seen so far try to scam and rip off people in some way. Events such as this one are very common, but they aren't the only scheme. It doesn't have to be extreme like a certain company a few years back --- they changed their game to sell more skill resets, and even LIED to the players about the change, so that after the change people would mess up their chars and buy a skill reset to fix them. That's an extreme case, but whenever a F2P company does something, watch out.

    Now, what does this tell us? In my opinion, it tells us that F2P doesn't work. It's not a respectable business model, it's shady. It failed. This has nothing to do with Perfect World --- it seems to apply to all F2P games alike. They can't seem to survive by being honest and friendly.

    I might be tempted to exclude one from this list --- they allowed reskills and restats for free which takes away a lot of cash pressure, and by the time I left they did very little to "force" people into buying stuff. Whether or not they changed it by now... I don't know.

    Whether or not P2P games use their higher revenue to make the game better --- I don't know. WoW seems popular, though; every now and then there's the rumor they might put in a new gfx engine; I might actually try it when they do :-) But either way, P2P games do not need cash shop events, ripoffs, timers that run out even during downtimes and when you're not logged on, and "almost a reqirement"-items blurring the line between F2P and P2P in their cash shop, because they don't have a cash shop. They have to keep convincing people to stay --- "it's free, so don't complain" doesn't work. Maybe P2P turns out to be the superior model after all. Time will tell, I guess.
    Yindra --- Lvl 64 Venomancer (Sanctuary)
    Getting too grindy by now :-(
  • scridon
    scridon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Firstly I would just like to let you all know that this game, like a lot of F2P games, MMO's, and games in general, is run by business minded people who are not interested in video games per say. Their interest in the game goes as far as how much they can profit from it. This can be a good thing and a bad thing depending on the greed of those in charge. Obviously they need money to keep the game going, new features/projects, and of course they need to line there pockets a bit.

    Now on to this Halloween event, it is clearly designed to get people to spend cash, however I don't think it is unfair. They aren't using any immoral tactics (as far as I am concerned) to get you to spend cash on there product. Unless you consider enticing people with a chance to get nice things immoral. If you do consider this to be immoral then you shouldn't be playing the event in the first place.
  • Tenderloin - Sanctuary
    Tenderloin - Sanctuary Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Well i pretty much know it's a rip off from the start.. I spent maybe 4 guardian angels and got all candies .. but that's pretty much how such F2P games make their buck. Then again all these types of events are optional.. you're not forced to participate in it.
  • Loontjuh - Sanctuary
    Loontjuh - Sanctuary Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Well wake up its the same thing in all the "free" online games i used to play.

    Why spend in game money on things you dont need, i started playing this game 3 days ago.
    Done the quests, sold some materials over night, and gone to jones for the costume.
    The other 2 things i read and didnt want to spend my money on.

    And when you win you see nothing on the forums, but when you lose they start ranting b:bye
  • mightynyx
    mightynyx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Loontjuh - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well wake up its the same thing in all the "free" online games i used to play.

    Why spend in game money on things you dont need, i started playing this game 3 days ago.
    Done the quests, sold some materials over night, and gone to jones for the costume.
    The other 2 things i read and didnt want to spend my money on.

    And when you win you see nothing on the forums, but when you lose they start ranting b:bye



    I pretty much agreed with you up until you said that " when you win you see nothing on the forums, when you lose they start ranting".

    What, you expect people to go on bragging about what they received? I do see posts where people talk about how they actually did get something decent from Jolly Old Jones. No one is going to go make a thread about it. The original poster obviously just wanted to discuss what other people's opinions were and talked about her experience with it. What else do you expect on the forums?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Revolt.
  • Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    That's just the thing...no one can even ride any mounts til they are level 20 anyway. And who wants to have the same costume as everyone else? Sure they can be dyed...but come on...a fairy costume for all females?

    And the males...it is very unfair that they get a costume they can't even wear.

    And the mounts as it is are so expensive too. And to top it off...only elves have the wings....which are not even very fast....I've not even seen any place to buy any other wings to upgrade in speed. And if there is....those are most likely too expensive as well.
  • Vixenish - Heavens Tear
    Vixenish - Heavens Tear Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    midnight is lvl 10....
  • deathember
    deathember Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    I'd like to throw my experience out there, just for y'all to think about.

    I spent $50 us for gold to buy GA to turn in to jolly jones.

    At 30 silver each, that's 166 halloween gift packs.

    Of those 166 I got 2 Haloween Armor packs, 1 Weapon pack, and 1 Ornimant pack.
    1 Headless Horseman Amulet, 3 Headless Horseman belts.
    1 Midnight, and TONS of pills/candies/treats.

    Out of sure determination to waste money, I did it 2 more times.

    From the 333 GAs I used the 2nd time - I got 3 armor packs, and tons of treats/candies/pills.

    I would have to agree that it is not particularily fair, but it's the lottery. "You never know..."

    Out of JUST under 500 Guardian Angels, I got 1 Midnight and no fly mounts.
  • Elahim - Lost City
    Elahim - Lost City Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    I think it's funny that people call this event a scam. 1) They give you a free +30% dmg bless that is good from when it started (last wednesday I believe) to Halloween, this Friday (to the inevitable "no it only lasts 7 days" you can get another one). 2) They gave you free costumes, it is kinda lame that there are different level requirements for different costumes but I'm guessing that they never even thought of this. 3) They told us that the raffle was exactly that, A RAFFLE. Don't put money into it if you're not afraid of losing it. That's like blaming the Lotto saying you put your whole life savings into buying tickets and you didn't get anything good. My gf and I have put a total of $12 USD into buying angels and have gotten a lot of garbage but I'm not upset about it. Further this garbage can be sold back to vendors. I know this isn't ideal and you certainly wont make back the coins you put into buying angels but its at least something.

    For the tl;dr - Free +30% damage bless = awesome. Costume levels probably an oversight. Don't blame the game for dumping tons of money (real money or coins) into a game of chance. It's not the casino's fault you don't know when to stop.
  • serengeti
    serengeti Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I agree it's ridiculous and unfair really. Not to mention...even if you were to buy a horse...look at how much one has to pay for it. 100,000 coins. Geesh, the monsters don't even drop that much money, not to mention you have to spend your coin to pay for your skills etc...

    Then there's the issue with not enough information on where to actually find specific things either. Like when given a particular quest...if it is not an NPC you are going to speak with...and if it is an actual monster you're going to kill...one you've not seen yet....therefore you've no clue where to find this creature at. And it takes forever to find them. The description might say to the Southeast...when it is actually more to the East or Northeast where you finally find it hours later.

    But yes, I as well as my husband feel this is a scam. Oh and there's another thing...I sit and work and work fighting creatures...getting ahead of my husband in experience. And then next thing I know we go do the same quest together...at the beginning of this quest our experience and level is the same...at the end...he is way ahead of me in experience and level...yet I had done more of the work.

    Now why is that? I'm even fighting things at higher levels than he is, and still not gaining.

    where do you buy a horse for 100k? i dont know if you played any other games of this type but i did and how much things cost there is amazing,anything good is like milions,in PWI monsters dont drop that much money but you sell dragon quest items to other players and you make really good money,just because i played Last Chaos,Shaiya and 2 moons i'm so impressed with this game.I've never seen that many quests in any of those games,hell at lvl 20 you get 1 every lvl if you are lucky lol.As for monsters locations it is sometimes hard but another funny example from Shaiya ,they got i think at least 2 quests that tell you to kill WRONG kind of monsters,they know about it but i guess its too much hassle to fix it lol,big help with locations is www.pwdatabase.com/pwi,you can find anything you want there monsters,items whatever.
  • Azazuul - Sanctuary
    Azazuul - Sanctuary Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Elahim, you hit it on the head, Nothing in the raffle is, "Make or Brake" it's the chance to win a cool mount or wings or, uh sumthin'.
    It all comes down to if you want it or not. Is that mount so cool that you simply MUST pump money into the CS to get dolls and try? I understand they got bills to pay and they'll probably get some of mine sooner or later.
    Leave a game, because you didn't win a lottery? I would love to see what other games you played if this would upset someone so much.
    I tried my costume on my new Veno, thought it looked too tame and sold it for 3k to the NPC vendors, That's a free 3k. I bought a pickaxe and farmed mats while doing quests.
    You don't NEED the items, you WANT the items but, the event never Garanteed you would GET the items.
    The game is new, or so I hear everyone still saying BETA. It's F2P. You guys seems to expect the world out of it.
  • Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Of course Elahim...you wouldn't complain...especially about the costumes...even if it might be a costume you either like or don't like...loook at your level....you'd beable to wear the costumes. Unfortunately....many cannot. But I have seen where there are some who have gotten Midnight 3 times, etc...where as others have had no chance at all...yet have worked just as hard, if not harder to get these expensive dolls...only to get junk.

    Ok the treats might come in handy in the mist of battle...if one is so inclined to use them...but then again...one could just as easily use potions or even meditate too.

    And then again...now that I have done more and more research...Midnight, nor any other mount are even worth having...or even spending any coin on. They do nothing for your character....other than just for a fancy bit of show.

    But then why give costumes away to those qho can't even wear them.....even for those who are very new to the game...like just starting the game (like say just starting today).......they can't wear the costumes at all either. Still very unfair...and they have no coin at all...and there no place you can buy costumes...atleast none that I have seen. Not even at the little cat vendors.

    So yes still all unfair. Whether it's this lottery scam or this costume giveaway. All unfair...they either giveaway something that is not even useful...or something that can't even be used by players unless they are of a certain level.
  • Celestyna - Heavens Tear
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary wrote: »
    All unfair...they either giveaway something that is not even useful...or something that can't even be used by players unless they are of a certain level.
    its useful... sell it to the NPC for a free 3k
    Personally i sold mine on all my charaters cause i did not like the outfits
    so for a short walk to see Mr Jolly i made 3k plus a nice 30% damage increase which is useable by all levels and makes leveling alot faster. b:victory

    the Lottery is just that, i have watched people put in 1 doll and win, i have also watched people put in $60 and not win a thing, however that is just how games of chance go

    for the record i picked that it is fair b:cute
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Anira_jhol - Sanctuary
    Anira_jhol - Sanctuary Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    In my opinion I believe those who actually think any of this is even remotely fair is those who actually got any use out of the items or got lucky and was able to receive Midnight.......I could be wrong....but this is my opinion.
  • Neverwas - Heavens Tear
    Neverwas - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    i don't understand what all the fuss is about midnight anyway. yes, he looks cool and yes, i would not object to having him and wanted one when i first saw him, but he's completely inferior in the speed department. i guess tho lots of people, if not most, just want him for the looks.

    isn't israfel, the flying swan mount and possibly the event wings (forgot the name) more rare than midnight. maybe it was just a fluke, but before the duke's announcements were fixed to only announce midnight, i remember clearly that there were WAY more people receiving midnight than israfel. i was on all day, like 18 hours the first day of the event and some of my guild mates and i started really noticing this. mainly cuz one of them wanted to buy an israfel from someone and very few people were getting them compared to midnight at least. and whenever i'm in a town, archo or wherever, there's at most maybe two israfels flying around and lots of midnights. i would think more people would want the fastest flying mount in the game (especially with flying being so tedious with the other mounts) over a horse that just looks cool. just my opinion tho.
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  • Elahim - Lost City
    Elahim - Lost City Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    Anhira did you read what I said about the costumes? I quote "it is kinda lame that there are different level requirements for different costumes" however how does it make sense to you that PWI staff would purposely create the halloween clothes with different level requirements? **Deep within PWI's evil lair** "Hmm, how can we better confuse and alienate our lower level characters who are the future of this very new game? I know! We'll make the free costumes have different (and higher!) level requirements! Brilliant!" I can almost guarantee to you that when they added the time remaining coding to the halloween costumes they completely forgot to even think about the required levels. That is the only *LOGICAL* explanation for why the costumes have different levels. Give the PWI staff a break, they aren't perfect. Also, as pointed out if you cannot wear your costume at the very least you can sell it back for 3k gold. Further you do get the free +30% damage buff to help you to level faster regardless of level. Lastly PWI staff has to make the raffle "win" statistics (defined as you getting something good) very low otherwise the market will become too saturated with the Halloween items. As it is now you see way too many people riding around with Midnight. If they gave everybody a Midnight then it wouldn't be special at all.

    And as to your idea that the only people who think it was fair are people who "benefitted" from it then you're silly (as above, everyone can benefit from the event). Between my gf and I we put in $12 USD and got a whole bunch of the +500hp/mp candy and some of the candy that is only good to sell back to vendors for 12.5k/box. Those +500hp/mp candies are great I don't know what you're complaining about, they work on a cooldown seperate from potions and grant their hp/mp instantly, if you're about to die taking one might give you just enough life to runaway to a safe place. My guess is if you hang onto them for 3 months or so you'll be able to sell them for 1k+ each if you're not interested in using them.
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