Only 20fps with this rig? Wha?!

gryphen
gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
edited September 2008 in Support Desk
Max settings ingame @ 1920x1080 and I am only getting 20FPS?

I get 80fps in AoC and 150ish in Guild Wars with this rig. (Both completely maxed)
Asus P5Q Deluxe
Corsair 1000w
8gb G.Skill Ram (4x2gb)
E8400 Wolfdale (OC'ed to 4.0)
Sapphire 4870 x2
X-Fi XtremeGamer Pro X-Fi XtremeGamer
Seagate 320gb HD


Edit:

Yeah, something is goofy. I just turn all the settings as low as they will go @ 640x480 and still only getting 35fps.
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  • darthpanda16
    darthpanda16 Posts: 9,471 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    Try running in windowed mode, turn the water effects off, and turn the Vsync on or off.

    See if that helps. :D
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  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    Try running in windowed mode, turn the water effects off, and turn the Vsync on or off.

    See if that helps. :D

    Nope, none of those suggestions helped. The water effects and vsync were off when I turned all the settings to the lowest.

    This game is running poorly on high and low settings.

    I wonder if this is going to be another EQII for me. EQII, because it was based on technology from years ... and years .... AND YEARS ago it doesnt run well on dual/quad cores let alone dual gpu's.

    This games graphics are anything but good. Still, hopefully that isnt the situation. I would like to be able to play this game with good FPS.

    Anyone else with a rig or GPU similar to mine that is running well?
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    The game is coded poorly, nothing will change that.
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  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    But 20 fps with this hardware ... and 35 on low settings. Didnt figure there was something that poorly coded :(
  • darthpanda16
    darthpanda16 Posts: 9,471 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    Try rolling back your drivers, or running the game under Compatibility Mode for XP if in Vista?

    The game was made 4+ years ago on older hardware.

    Your machine may be too much for the game :D lol
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  • pocker
    pocker Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    I get 20FPS as well with everything maxed out at 1920x1200 and around 40 when I click the turn off everything button. My box isn't anywhere as fast as yours but I thought it could have done a bit better.

    Gateway P-7811 FX notebook (Vista 64bit, P8400 2.26Ghz, 4GB DDR3, GeForce 9800M GTS 512MB).
    Same FPS with stock and latest drivers.

    Since you have 8GB ram are you running Vista 64bit also?
  • hallowking
    hallowking Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    is your game very fuzzy? mine is doing the same. if u find the answer tell me
  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    pocker wrote: »
    I get 20FPS as well with everything maxed out at 1920x1200 and around 40 when I click the turn off everything button. My box isn't anywhere as fast as yours but I thought it could have done a bit better.

    Gateway P-7811 FX notebook (Vista 64bit, P8400 2.26Ghz, 4GB DDR3, GeForce 9800M GTS 512MB).
    Same FPS with stock and latest drivers.

    Since you have 8GB ram are you running Vista 64bit also?

    Yup, Vista 64 Ultimate.

    Betting this is the best performance we are going to see. As darthpanda said, it is 4+ years old. EQII runs the same for me, only "todays" games seem to run well or games that were coded well to begin with.
  • raxcal
    raxcal Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    I am running the game on a Dell Vostro 1500 laptop (yuk) with a Geforce 8600M GT 256mb DDR2 (more yuk), 4 Gigs of RAM, with intel T7300 cpu.
    Playing at a resolution of 1680 x 1050, water turned off and I'm getting ~24fps. Pretty weird numbers indeed.
  • soukyuu
    soukyuu Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    raxcal wrote: »
    I am running the game on a Dell Vostro 1500 laptop (yuk) with a Geforce 8600M GT 256mb DDR2 (more yuk), 4 Gigs of RAM, with intel T7300 cpu.
    Playing at a resolution of 1680 x 1050, water turned off and I'm getting ~24fps. Pretty weird numbers indeed.
    i have almost the same (the CPU is a T7250, 2GB ram and the gpu has 512mb ddr2) and i'm getting ~27fps with the same settings on vista x64 business

    I kinda have a feeling PW has problems with ATI cards/drivers
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  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    soukyuu wrote: »
    i have almost the same (the CPU is a T7250, 2GB ram and the gpu has 512mb ddr2) and i'm getting ~27fps with the same settings on vista x64 business

    I kinda have a feeling PW has problems with ATI cards/drivers

    I think so too
  • latinlegend
    latinlegend Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    The game may have issues with that ATI line of card specifically. As for Pocker & Raxcal, those numbers seem right. You have to remember that the GPU solutions that ya are using are notebook parts. When compared to there big brother desktop counterpart, they are MUCH slower & clocked way down to decrease heat output. I have not run the game yet but this rig sports a single 9800 GX2 & a Q6600 GO @ 3.6 (9x400). We'll see if it's the game itself or just issues with ATI cards.

    -LatinLegend
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    latinlegend wrote: »
    The game may have issues with that ATI line of card specifically. As for Pocker & Raxcal, those numbers seem right. You have to remember that the GPU solutions that ya are using are notebook parts. When compared to there big brother desktop counterpart, they are MUCH slower & clocked way down to decrease heat output. I have not run the game yet but this rig sports a single 9800 GX2 & a Q6600 GO @ 3.6 (9x400). We'll see if it's the game itself or just issues with ATI cards.

    -LatinLegend

    It's the GAME ITSELF.

    hallowking wrote: »
    is your game very fuzzy? mine is doing the same. if u find the answer tell me
    Disable "smooth" aka bloom aka SH**TY BLURRY LIGHTING FOR BLIND PEOPLE and problem is solved.
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  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    ren wrote: »
    It's the GAME ITSELF.



    Disable "smooth" aka bloom aka SH**TY BLURRY LIGHTING FOR BLIND PEOPLE and problem is solved.

    Erm, while I do really appreciate the help, I dont think you read my posts.

    I tried this game again with EVERYTHING OFF :)
  • mcfrosted
    mcfrosted Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    ight my display driver keeps freezing on and off anyways to fix that my drivers are all up to date
  • deathomen
    deathomen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    like someone else said, its probably because this game is older and not written in new code....i hate the fact that i get low FPS in cities, but for the most part its ok when im out in the wild...i guess it just comes down to perfection for some people.

    ~death~
  • oo7
    oo7 Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    can't complain much about inefficient game engine. Waiting for the MMO that will use Unreal engine....
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  • darthpanda16
    darthpanda16 Posts: 9,471 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    And not everyone can have their own personal technician there to see what is going on with each individual's computers, what software they have running, what their anti-virus is doing, how they have their rigs setup with custom stuff, hacks, etc. :D
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  • deathomen
    deathomen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    And not everyone can have their own personal technician there to see what is going on with each individual's computers, what software they have running, what their anti-virus is doing, how they have their rigs setup with custom stuff, hacks, etc. :D

    to be honest, i dont have a problem with the low FPS in cities, because its still manageable, i just hope that the full version (or even one past beta if thats how you choose to run it) has a more...up-to-date codebase. If not, ill still enjoy the game all the same :)

    ~death~
  • darthpanda16
    darthpanda16 Posts: 9,471 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    The core game was developed many years ago. There are only so many things that can be changed without breaking something else in code.
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  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    And not everyone can have their own personal technician there to see what is going on with each individual's computers, what software they have running, what their anti-virus is doing, how they have their rigs setup with custom stuff, hacks, etc. :D

    Eh, dunno what that has to do with anything. Maybe I missed something :confused:

    Either way, other games (including MMO's) run just fine accept for this one and EQII. Both, after reading numerous threads and sites, have just had it chalked up to poor coding based on old technology.

    It's disappointing to play an MMO as visually stunning as AoC with it set to ALL MAX @ 1920x1080 and get 60-150fps then to play this all max @ the same rez and get 25ish FPS.
  • kyou
    kyou Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    Dear person who created this thread (I forgot your name),

    Nothing will help you with your problem. I know exactly where the problem lies: Vista Ultimate x64.

    Install Vista Ultimate x86 (32 bit) and you'll be more than fine.
  • deathomen
    deathomen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    kyou wrote: »
    Dear person who created this thread (I forgot your name),

    Nothing will help you with your problem. I know exactly where the problem lies: Vista Ultimate x64.

    Install Vista Ultimate x86 (32 bit) and you'll be more than fine.

    its not just him experiencing the low FPS, its nearly everyone IN this thread, so chalking it up to him having Vista x64 is not going to work :) if he chooses to use vista x64, thats his choice, but it wouldnt make a whole lot of difference if he was using x86 or even windows XP because he would STILL have the same low FPS...

    ~death~
  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    kyou wrote: »
    Dear person who created this thread (I forgot your name),

    Nothing will help you with your problem. I know exactly where the problem lies: Vista Ultimate x64.

    Install Vista Ultimate x86 (32 bit) and you'll be more than fine.

    Hrm, so before I go redo my entire system just for this game ... let me ask ...

    How many FPS do you get and what are your rig specs?
  • kyou
    kyou Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    @deathomen
    I tried x64 version and most of the games had the same problem - Low FPS.

    @gryphen
    I'm using Vista Ultimate x86. Enough to say all is working perfectly well. FPS range from max to little less than max in crowded areas. You can try if you like... or not. It's good to format your HDD now and then ;)
  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    kyou wrote: »
    @deathomen
    I tried x64 version and most of the games had the same problem - Low FPS.

    @gryphen
    I'm using Vista Ultimate x86. Enough to say all is working perfectly well. FPS range from max to little less than max in crowded areas. You can try if you like... or not. It's good to format your HDD now and then ;)

    What is "max" ? lol

    What are your system specs?
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    kyou wrote: »
    Dear person who created this thread (I forgot your name),

    Nothing will help you with your problem. I know exactly where the problem lies: Vista Ultimate x64.

    Install Vista Ultimate x86 (32 bit) and you'll be more than fine.

    Vista 64 is NOT the problem. I get the same framerate as with XP 32.
    However, due to the nature of 64bit: things WILL TAKE MORE SPACE IN RAM - however, I don't think that is his problem as I could run PW on my old 512mb ram machine with lots of other stuff sucking up way more ram than pw ever did.

    Stop spreading ignorant BullS***. 32bit is dying, and the sooner the better, 64bit is vastly superior.
    Anyone saying to use 32bit seriously needs to be banned from the internet. =/
    The only logical argument one can make against 64bit is "it costs money and time to develop for both since many people are stuck in the dark ages".

    So, kyou, I'm betting that you just don't know how to use and tune Windows. I'm betting that formatting -> installing 32bit dropped some other problem you created for yourself. You aren't tech support so stop spreading lies.
    I am using x64, get way better FPS than him even though his pc should in theory be much better than mine... obviously he has done something wrong. Bad driver? Junk services? Spyware? Forgot to disable auto defrag? Who knows, but it's not the OS's fault.
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  • darthpanda16
    darthpanda16 Posts: 9,471 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    If you all are done discussing who has a better whatzamacallit in hardware, and such, please leave those comments to the other threads or PM each other. :D

    The tech support forum is for users who need help, not discussing if this chipset, CPU, or whatever, is better then that and whether someone should use this over that. No tech gossip. :D

    So please only post questions if you have Thoroughly Searched the Forums and can not come up with a solution, or post answers to try and help others here on the tech support threads.
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  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    Since Kymeira is being lazy:

    [23:30] <Kymeira> My friend has a HD 4870 x2 and it has a lot of issues with "older" games
    [23:31] <Cam> Tell them that.
    [23:31] <Kymeira> that's why I <3 nvidia... ATI may have raw power, but the software and driver support is ****
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  • gryphen
    gryphen Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    If you all are done discussing who has a better whatzamacallit in hardware, and such, please leave those comments to the other threads or PM each other. :D

    The tech support forum is for users who need help, not discussing if this chipset, CPU, or whatever, is better then that and whether someone should use this over that. No tech gossip. :D

    So please only post questions if you have Thoroughly Searched the Forums and can not come up with a solution, or post answers to try and help others here on the tech support threads.


    I was not aware that anyone in this post was asking who has better hardware. The reason I am asking if anyone can run this game well and if so what hardware they have is so I an try and pinpoint my problem.

    If there is someone with the exact same parts as me that is running this fine then it’s a software issue (possibly bad hardware but doubt it since every other game runs fine).

    If someone runs fine and has the same rig except for one part then maybe that part may be the source of my problem.

    So far, no one has posted on here that has good-great performance. The only one who did said they have max FPS .... which there is no such thing.


    The purpose of this thread is to find out why I am experiencing poor performance. I hate to chalk it up to "the game is old and poorly coded" but no one seems to dispute that. In either case, I can play other games from YEARS AGO (still play UT1 all the time) and they run fine. So if anything might be accurate it is the part about poor coding. Edit: Although its unfair to compare any other game to the unreal engine. lol

    In either case, if it were poor coding and you want your game to "stay alive" then you need to adapt the code. Saying this game was made 4 years ago doesn’t mean much other than ... it needs an update.

    I have to agree with Ren though, vista 64 shouldn't make a difference so long as you have the hardware to back it up ... and this rig does. Just for giggles I loaded it up on my work drive (same rig different drive with xp 32) and I am getting the same problem.

    The problem is going to be the coding I am pretty sure and therefore the devs should ensure that their game is up-to-date with current technology. This may be a free game but with the cost of zen people pay more than they would for any other game on the market, period. So unless they want their game to die off, it will eventually need to be modified for new hardware. People aren’t going to be using the same old hardware forever, especially with the cost of parts declining.


    Btw, who was the comment about "Thoroughly Searched the Forums" directed towards? I searched the forums and therefore my post was made. I don’t see anyone else with this problem and offering a solution. Truthfully, I don’t think half the people here care if they have low FPS. Most of the people who care about performance are off playing other games. I do like this game (minus its graphics and non customizable keybindings) but still want decent performance out of it. There is no excuse to have a game that looks like this run as poorly as this.
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