Dear Pwi and all pwi Employees

thesquee1 wrote: »

laiwaisan wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

Let's just get this out there...

If your faction is not strong enough to have a faction base then what would you be doing with anythinig inside the base? Most things are locked behind trials now and you have to be able to clear those, too. More importantly, what were you doing with the base before this update? Letting people get free Pan Gu's? Outdated and irrelevant with NF Daily. Base helm? r8r helm is cheaper and TNF helm (at least on tideswell) actually has a decent chance for you to buy for LESS THAN THE BASE HELM before this update. Arrows? Well, I'll give you that one, archers suffer there. Trials for r8r? Hah, right, like you need that anymore.

Yes, you paid money to get your base, but you also got what you paid for. In the end there is nothing you were doing with that old out-dated dusty base that wasn't already available somewhere else and if you can't open the base now it just means you don't have the strength/activity to handle anything that's inside it anyway.

You think you're all entitled to some free **** now just because you paid for something that came out SEVEN YEARS AGO that didn't even promise you anything other than a new set of tedious dailies and some pots that were good at the time but are now dated with a helmet that now has more affordable alternatives that can be obtained without a base. That's why they changed it, the faction base meant nothing and that was not good. Yes, you can be upset that you lost your money when the base went away, but you should also be excited that now at least the base has a purpose.

And just an FYI if you can unlock the base and do trials, the base helm is cheaper now, nearly half the cost if you get the mats for it.

The tl;dr is your base was useless and outdated so they made something new that was actually useful and the power it takes to get into was scaled up with the power it provides while not providing anything that shatters the games balance any further. Deal with it, you aren't entitled to anything, and welcome to the new age, and accept that PWI didn't steal **** from you, you're just crying because you think you deserve something you already got.

I think in many countries there should be a test for breeding and certain people should not be allowed to procreate that being said i think if someone cough took the time to read these post like i took the time to read this one you would know what it is we do with the bases we purchased uhmmmmm

oh tho this is not real life and there was some real money spent I only pray that one day you get locked out of your home with no way in or your keys locked in your car while its raining out in the middle of nowhere 100 miles from anywhere and while your shuttering from the cold water i hope your remember your post.

Lets just give that time to settle in and stew in that head.

Clearly never hug or loved and alone and bitter or just sick even i have some compassion who hurt you bro ill give u hug in real life bro jesus u need one damn.

I'll take you seriously when you can give me an argument that isn't a childish attempt at an insult and something you would have spent 5 seconds thinking about. You didn't have anything to say about my points.

You really feel that way getting locked out of a base you were doing nothing with? GO outside, take a walk, go to the park and pet a strangers puppy on a beautiful summer day. You might find it relaxing.

jacobsrevenge wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

Let's just get this out there...

If your faction is not strong enough to have a faction base then what would you be doing with anythinig inside the base? Most things are locked behind trials now and you have to be able to clear those, too. More importantly, what were you doing with the base before this update? Letting people get free Pan Gu's? Outdated and irrelevant with NF Daily. Base helm? r8r helm is cheaper and TNF helm (at least on tideswell) actually has a decent chance for you to buy for LESS THAN THE BASE HELM before this update. Arrows? Well, I'll give you that one, archers suffer there. Trials for r8r? Hah, right, like you need that anymore.

Yes, you paid money to get your base, but you also got what you paid for. In the end there is nothing you were doing with that old out-dated dusty base that wasn't already available somewhere else and if you can't open the base now it just means you don't have the strength/activity to handle anything that's inside it anyway.

You think you're all entitled to some free **** now just because you paid for something that came out SEVEN YEARS AGO that didn't even promise you anything other than a new set of tedious dailies and some pots that were good at the time but are now dated with a helmet that now has more affordable alternatives that can be obtained without a base. That's why they changed it, the faction base meant nothing and that was not good. Yes, you can be upset that you lost your money when the base went away, but you should also be excited that now at least the base has a purpose.

And just an FYI if you can unlock the base and do trials, the base helm is cheaper now, nearly half the cost if you get the mats for it.

The tl;dr is your base was useless and outdated so they made something new that was actually useful and the power it takes to get into was scaled up with the power it provides while not providing anything that shatters the games balance any further. Deal with it, you aren't entitled to anything, and welcome to the new age, and accept that PWI didn't steal **** from you, you're just crying because you think you deserve something you already got.

are u smoking pot while writing these? the community is crying bcuz they love the game. and the player base is dying even more and more. you dont even care for the future big casher here.. are u out of your mind or drunk? seriously?

And you, too.

If you can't argue with any sense of logic or analyzing the opposing sides view, you shouldn't be arguing.

vertgod wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

Why are so many people relating a faction base to a physical house? When it was snowing in arch did you feel snow landing on you as you sat in your chair? Doubt it. It was an outdated slop of leftover and outdated ideas that only had one relevant factor, the helmet, which is now not required for endgame gear, and even then we're talking edgame because you ain't getting that helmet without r9 already.

I would agree the restrictions are a bit harshly implimented, perhaps more points for DHJ but still get points from DHD and DH, same with UP, but people are acting like they lost something that was part of their identity.

When bases came out I was just a wee little psychic main (didn't even reroll my BM yet) and I charged actual money to help my leader afford a base because he couldn't and we struggled in attendance. My faction currently has yet to unlock the base as well, but that's fine. I'm in a faction currently that is TW capable but not exactly an OP faction. we're 4th with our best attendance that we'll never realistically achieve. I am ok with having a more relevant base at the cost of less time in it, because at least I wull actually use this one.



Real talk though if you really feel like your faction base is the same as your apartment, we have homesteads now and you should also consider a walk on the beach. Where I live there's this nice break wall (as in breaking the tide from the lake) that you can walk along, some parts are eroded and make for fun climbing. The water makes the air smell fresh and the plant life along the shore is goregeous since it goes by a massive park, flowers everywhere and people smiling from their fishing boats. I highly recommend it.

I think you're misunderstanding the point of a metaphor, they're not meant to be literal. You also seem to be missing the point entirely as you keep mentioning that the old bases were outdated, which I haven't seen anyone disputing. People are having issues with the requirements to ENTER the base, not with the upgrades TO the base. Which you yourself just said you agree are harsh.

As to the beach, I prefer the mountains. Though I am glad to hear you get outside occasionally.

laiwaisan wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

vertgod wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

Deal with it, you aren't entitled to anything, and welcome to the new age, and accept that PWI didn't steal **** from you, you're just crying because you think you deserve something you already got.

You're correct, the terms of service clearly state that you're basically entitled to nothing in game. But let's say you sign a 2 year lease agreement for an apartment, 1 year into that agreement the landlord locks you out of your place because they upgraded the building with central heating and a/c and unless you agree to the new terms and policies you wont be allowed into your place again. Technically it's not stealing but I bet you'd still feel robbed.

I don't disagree that the faction bases direly needed an upgrade. It's been a long time coming. But being locked out and having requirements to enter something that people spent time, money and effort into building wasn't the way to go about it. And maybe some of you have been playing so long that you don't remember how much it took to not only acquire but to level the faction base (and maybe some of you don't even know all that went into it) but to completely write it off is a slap in the face really especially when newly created bases don't have such restrictions.

The only real issue I have with the upgrade is that you have to have loyalty points just to enter the base when they should work the same as merit points did previously. But okay, fine, it's the new system and it's probably not going to change. That being the case atleast, as previously mentioned, lower level dungeons should be added to the list.

Why are so many people relating a faction base to a physical house? When it was snowing in arch did you feel snow landing on you as you sat in your chair? Doubt it. It was an outdated slop of leftover and outdated ideas that only had one relevant factor, the helmet, which is now not required for endgame gear, and even then we're talking edgame because you ain't getting that helmet without r9 already.

I would agree the restrictions are a bit harshly implimented, perhaps more points for DHJ but still get points from DHD and DH, same with UP, but people are acting like they lost something that was part of their identity.

When bases came out I was just a wee little psychic main (didn't even reroll my BM yet) and I charged actual money to help my leader afford a base because he couldn't and we struggled in attendance. My faction currently has yet to unlock the base as well, but that's fine. I'm in a faction currently that is TW capable but not exactly an OP faction. we're 4th with our best attendance that we'll never realistically achieve. I am ok with having a more relevant base at the cost of less time in it, because at least I wull actually use this one.



Real talk though if you really feel like your faction base is the same as your apartment, we have homesteads now and you should also consider a walk on the beach. Where I live there's this nice break wall (as in breaking the tide from the lake) that you can walk along, some parts are eroded and make for fun climbing. The water makes the air smell fresh and the plant life along the shore is goregeous since it goes by a massive park, flowers everywhere and people smiling from their fishing boats. I highly recommend it.

LOL must be this guy lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdnyrzq96s

I think we're getting off track here i made this poll mainly to let PWI know they F **** up by alienating & annihilating THE MAJORITY of debit card holders that create a player base community and not the few minor sociopaths that have no sympathy and would want to watch PWI burn to the ground because either They never were loved or loved anything in there life.

This poll is mainly about people that charge spend create build and forge a community to let PWI and its Employees know hey were not the enemy here Please fix the Game.

Everyone has a right to an opinion even you do,as much as i respect it I think I speak for the majority of us here it has 0.00 value in this poll like you thinking we have zero value to pwi and its community by us spending and creating bonds with people and strengthen an online community that's helpful.

I could go on and on about the list of things a faction base does for new comers like the 1 hour buffs items from what you call an outdated base and if you even had taken the time to even read some of these shrugs shoulders yeah bottom line is PWI u scre up Fix it

meglepke wrote: »

An example for the people who can't understand what is the base problem: imagine if you loose your emperor with an expansion what you paid for many years ago. You can get it again but have to complete instances with 8 members the same class as you, and only 4-5 classes can tank the bosses inside but you are not one of them. Play the game and accept the changes!

jacobsrevenge wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

laiwaisan wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

Let's just get this out there...

If your faction is not strong enough to have a faction base then what would you be doing with anythinig inside the base? Most things are locked behind trials now and you have to be able to clear those, too. More importantly, what were you doing with the base before this update? Letting people get free Pan Gu's? Outdated and irrelevant with NF Daily. Base helm? r8r helm is cheaper and TNF helm (at least on tideswell) actually has a decent chance for you to buy for LESS THAN THE BASE HELM before this update. Arrows? Well, I'll give you that one, archers suffer there. Trials for r8r? Hah, right, like you need that anymore.

Yes, you paid money to get your base, but you also got what you paid for. In the end there is nothing you were doing with that old out-dated dusty base that wasn't already available somewhere else and if you can't open the base now it just means you don't have the strength/activity to handle anything that's inside it anyway.

You think you're all entitled to some free **** now just because you paid for something that came out SEVEN YEARS AGO that didn't even promise you anything other than a new set of tedious dailies and some pots that were good at the time but are now dated with a helmet that now has more affordable alternatives that can be obtained without a base. That's why they changed it, the faction base meant nothing and that was not good. Yes, you can be upset that you lost your money when the base went away, but you should also be excited that now at least the base has a purpose.

And just an FYI if you can unlock the base and do trials, the base helm is cheaper now, nearly half the cost if you get the mats for it.

The tl;dr is your base was useless and outdated so they made something new that was actually useful and the power it takes to get into was scaled up with the power it provides while not providing anything that shatters the games balance any further. Deal with it, you aren't entitled to anything, and welcome to the new age, and accept that PWI didn't steal **** from you, you're just crying because you think you deserve something you already got.

I think in many countries there should be a test for breeding and certain people should not be allowed to procreate that being said i think if someone cough took the time to read these post like i took the time to read this one you would know what it is we do with the bases we purchased uhmmmmm

oh tho this is not real life and there was some real money spent I only pray that one day you get locked out of your home with no way in or your keys locked in your car while its raining out in the middle of nowhere 100 miles from anywhere and while your shuttering from the cold water i hope your remember your post.

Lets just give that time to settle in and stew in that head.

Clearly never hug or loved and alone and bitter or just sick even i have some compassion who hurt you bro ill give u hug in real life bro jesus u need one damn.

I'll take you seriously when you can give me an argument that isn't a childish attempt at an insult and something you would have spent 5 seconds thinking about. You didn't have anything to say about my points.

You really feel that way getting locked out of a base you were doing nothing with? GO outside, take a walk, go to the park and pet a strangers puppy on a beautiful summer day. You might find it relaxing.

jacobsrevenge wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

Let's just get this out there...

If your faction is not strong enough to have a faction base then what would you be doing with anythinig inside the base? Most things are locked behind trials now and you have to be able to clear those, too. More importantly, what were you doing with the base before this update? Letting people get free Pan Gu's? Outdated and irrelevant with NF Daily. Base helm? r8r helm is cheaper and TNF helm (at least on tideswell) actually has a decent chance for you to buy for LESS THAN THE BASE HELM before this update. Arrows? Well, I'll give you that one, archers suffer there. Trials for r8r? Hah, right, like you need that anymore.

Yes, you paid money to get your base, but you also got what you paid for. In the end there is nothing you were doing with that old out-dated dusty base that wasn't already available somewhere else and if you can't open the base now it just means you don't have the strength/activity to handle anything that's inside it anyway.

You think you're all entitled to some free **** now just because you paid for something that came out SEVEN YEARS AGO that didn't even promise you anything other than a new set of tedious dailies and some pots that were good at the time but are now dated with a helmet that now has more affordable alternatives that can be obtained without a base. That's why they changed it, the faction base meant nothing and that was not good. Yes, you can be upset that you lost your money when the base went away, but you should also be excited that now at least the base has a purpose.

And just an FYI if you can unlock the base and do trials, the base helm is cheaper now, nearly half the cost if you get the mats for it.

The tl;dr is your base was useless and outdated so they made something new that was actually useful and the power it takes to get into was scaled up with the power it provides while not providing anything that shatters the games balance any further. Deal with it, you aren't entitled to anything, and welcome to the new age, and accept that PWI didn't steal **** from you, you're just crying because you think you deserve something you already got.

are u smoking pot while writing these? the community is crying bcuz they love the game. and the player base is dying even more and more. you dont even care for the future big casher here.. are u out of your mind or drunk? seriously?

And you, too.

If you can't argue with any sense of logic or analyzing the opposing sides view, you shouldn't be arguing.

im not arguing.. look at the mirror and try to understand what u talking about.. seriously. stop sniffing your own ****... you're too far of raging about the old base content.. meanwhile people just want to open it. seriously dude dont be a nerdy keyboard warrior while u dont knw what u talking about.

jacobsrevenge wrote: »

thesquee1 wrote: »

See my previous statement, then come back after you've thought about it for like idk 5 seconds.

i saw it. did u look at your 1st rage? then come back after you've thought about it for like idk 5 seconds.

andyauditore wrote: »

This is my opinion, as a more PvE inclined player who doesn't charge Gold. You don't have to agree with me:

-I feel like up until the Eclipse expansion, everything they added was good and meaningful. Primal area, Reawakening, Flowsilver Palace, War Avatar cards, Nightshade race, Celestial Vale, Quicksand Maze.

-But starting with Elysium: Homestead, g17, Uncharted Paradise. Then Neverfall: Glyphs, the Western Steppes, Dawnlight Halls. And now Wonderland. I feel like all of these updates are useless and that they add meaningless stuff, many of them breaking the game or making it less enjoyable. The game would be better without them.

-I made a simple Homestead just to get the skills I needed. I don't make g17, so the other quests are useless to me. Therefore, Uncharted Paradise is useless too. Anyone got the Tier 5 g17 yet? Or whatever the maximum was...
I don't use glyphs, I think they add very little perks compared to how much they cost or how much you have to farm for the higher levels. Unless you're heavy PvP player, I don't see the point.

-I can't imagine how faction leaders feel now. After they spend so much money and so much time into their Base. Now it's gone, poof. Smaller factions, poof...

Again, you don't have to agree with me, this is just my opinion.

Anyone else would like to revert to the Eclipse expansion? Or at least Elysium? I know there are people who love the Homestead. But I think we can live without Glyphs, Dawnlight Halls, Colosseum.

I don't know how PWCN takes all these, maybe for them it works. But sometimes, leaving the game as it is, is better than changing it. How to keep the game alive? Fix the older things and make them better, not worse.

sontzu wrote: »

You know the most insulting part?

"Newly created Faction Bases don't have this restriction."

To me this says, they knew this would be hugely unpopular, as including this restriction on new bases would mean less bases getting made and therefore less cash for pwi, as who in their right mind would pay for something they couldn't use?

Those commenting that they think the game would be better without smaller guilds are either trolling, or epically stupid. Smaller guilds are where new people (yes they exist, despite many opinions to the contrary) learn to play their class, learn to play in a squad, and generally learn how the server community works.

The game has been slowly dying for quite a few years now, with little respites here and there from actual worthwhile content updates, but this will speed up the end.

I'm in the top TW guild on Da, so I'll have access to our base easily enough, but I paid real money for the base for the guild I park my alts in, and I'm furious to have this taken away, and before anyone says again "base quests irrelevant", it's exp for non-105 toons + 20 active points on some days, that's lost too.

Those saying games should be fun are hitting the nail on the head; pwi has increasingly become a second job, even for those that cash rather than farm their stuff, with endless dailies just to keep from falling too far behind. Fun is becoming increasingly
conspicuously absent.

sontzu wrote: »

You know the most insulting part?

"Newly created Faction Bases don't have this restriction."

To me this says, they knew this would be hugely unpopular, as including this restriction on new bases would mean less bases getting made and therefore less cash for pwi, as who in their right mind would pay for something they couldn't use?

Those commenting that they think the game would be better without smaller guilds are either trolling, or epically stupid. Smaller guilds are where new people (yes they exist, despite many opinions to the contrary) learn to play their class, learn to play in a squad, and generally learn how the server community works.

The game has been slowly dying for quite a few years now, with little respites here and there from actual worthwhile content updates, but this will speed up the end.

I'm in the top TW guild on Da, so I'll have access to our base easily enough, but I paid real money for the base for the guild I park my alts in, and I'm furious to have this taken away, and before anyone says again "base quests irrelevant", it's exp for non-105 toons + 20 active points on some days, that's lost too.

Those saying games should be fun are hitting the nail on the head; pwi has increasingly become a second job, even for those that cash rather than farm their stuff, with endless dailies just to keep from falling too far behind. Fun is becoming increasingly
conspicuously absent.

sontzu wrote: »

@dingo488

Please explain how removing/lowering base unlock requirements would affect your gameplay in any way