OK to use alts in arigora?

genjutsu
genjutsu Posts: 11 Arc User
i keep seeing more and more alts in arigora... ppl r using squads of there own alts to boost there squad score really high and when the alts get too low they just keep move them to a new alt squad and do it more..... they do this at weird hours too to avoid other squads.. is tis even allowwed? I can get free wins off them when i catch it but they keeping most of the points for themself....​​
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  • wibles
    wibles Posts: 57 Arc User
    I dont see any reason why using your alts wouldnt be allowed to make a team with and farm weekly coins or coins for pots. It's fair game to put whatever character you want in Arena, your reward will depend entirely on your performance, so ofc these squads will get very low rewards.

    As for using alt squads to fight against, I can tell you from experience that it is actually not that easy to get queued against your alt squad? My 3v3 team will occasionally run both at the same time so that we can get both weekly quests done-- it has happened honestly, 1 in 20 times that we match up to our own squad. It's not something that we intend for, or even try for, because it's already rare. We just queue them both up for lack of time to do 2 squads in a week together.

    Now, if for example someone was trying to do this intentionally.
    1. The match up would be rare.
    2. Since the times have been restricted to a 12hr section, and we have a lot of international players+a EU server, there's not really an "odd time" anymore where no one will queue at all. When the EU players are sleeping, the North Americans are queuing. When the North Americans are sleeping, the Pinoys are queuing... it would be odd to say for sure you know of a time when no one on any of the servers is ready for 3v3.
    3. Even if this was managable and people are finding a niche time to go just vs their own alts, there is quite a timer between when you can face the same squad over and over. So it's not like these people are queuing against themselves 10 times in a night. If they get one fight against themselves, it's at least another 15-20 minutes before they could get that team again. So if they were waiting that long inbetween each fight, they would be spending hours queued to even get their weekly quest done, let alone really focus on farming points-- and the longer then spend enganged with the queue up, the longer the window is for other teams to log in.
    4. Even if they WERE to make all of these things work out for them, and to farm their own squad over and over, I'll tell you now, the points they will get for killing their no-win alt team will be minimal. 4 points here, 5 points there... It would in no way be enough to carry this team anywhere near the current competitive level, such at 1700, 1800, 1900, 2000.... and the higher these teams own scores are, the less they will be getting from these alt teams. So if they are even a team that is a factor in the current contest/rankings (which is around 1800+) they would barely be getting anything from an alt team, if they even are matching up against them. So 100% I can tell you, if they got 1800, it's from killing other players, not themselves.
    5. And lastly-- making a new alt team costs 30m each time. I know this is not too steep a price for some serious players, but again, the return points wise is not extremely high, and the likelihood of getting your own team is again, not high, so not many people are employing a method this complicated.

    Most ppl are just running alts to farm free pots. :)
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,887 Community Moderator
    I dont see what the difference is.

    Unless anyone official comments on this I dont think their is a problem as long as your not breaking the T&C. IE more than 2 accounts rule.

    If I fin anything different then ill update here!

    Thanks.​​
  • zombiemaster123
    zombiemaster123 Posts: 109 Arc User
    heero200 wrote: »
    I dont see what the difference is.

    Unless anyone official comments on this I dont think their is a problem as long as your not breaking the T&C. IE more than 2 accounts rule.

    If I fin anything different then ill update here!

    Thanks.​​

    What is it with you guys stating any random forum rule? There is a reason why ToS need to be accepted because overwise they would have no legal standing. This in return means that any random rule you proclaim on a random forum has absolutely 0, nada, legal standing and is to be disregarded by anyone. Is it not part of the ToS? Then it is not a rule we most abide by.

    LIke a car manufacturer states in one of his forums that they now take no RMAs of broken engines anymore, no matter the issue or the age. Good luck in court with that BS. ToS. Changes to ToS also HAVE to be proclaimed and the user must be given the chance to accept them again.

    Damn, people lack serious legal knowledge. As it is of now, people can create and log in as many accounts as they want. 1000...2000, doesnt matter.
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,887 Community Moderator
    edited November 2017
    @zombiemaster123 im not talking about forum rules.

    In any rate.
    You agree to the T&C and ToS when you make an account. Their for it is binding. Regardless if you have checked it or studied it. By the fact you have posted means you have agreed to this. If you dont agree with them your account wont be created.

    Changes must be notified to the user and its advisable you read them but again many people do not.

    Lastly it is covered in this regarding multiple accounts I believe this is also covered in multiple ways in the agreement. As PWE can shut your account at any time with out warning or notice as per the agreement you accept at the setup of your account. An argument of the ToS means nothing would not cover you.

    in short if you are using their services you should use them as you have agreed.

    I do not make a habit of replying to topics of this nature more than once. So if you have any more questions regarding this please contact customer Support Here.

    Thanks.​​
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  • jsxshadow
    jsxshadow Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    I have to agree with @zombiemaster123 on this topic. Sure, you can use the "PWE can do whatever they want for your account whenever they want" - clause and apply it to the multi-acc'ing but damn, then they could also apply this when they don't like your face.

    Whilst this is legit when talking about purely F2P people, doing something that reckless and unjustified forces them to refund all your spendings (6 Months) + potential compensation if they do decide to ban you for that reason (multi-acc'ing in that case). Other companies have tried a "We can do whatever we want" clause before, didn't get them far in front of a court. This is called ill malpractice. Just because this is a F2P game doesn't mean that constitutional law isn't binding for PWE.

    @heero200 You are helping out alot on the forums but please refrain from confusing people with your half-knowledge. Just because PWE says so doesnt mean that it is fact, the truth or has any legal binding whatsoever. You are not an employee of PWE, you don't have to act as if they are all-knowing gods. If in doubt, the customer is always right and always has the upper-hand. Rightfully so.

    As for the topic itself: Multi-Acc'ing without the influence of 3rd-party tools/bots has no logical reason of being a ban-able offense. It doesn't give you the slightest unfair disadvantage over anyone. You have to level and gear your alts with loads of money/time. Anyone is free to do the same. If it wasn't for alts, PWE would earn WAY, WAY, WAY!!!! less money and they are perfectly aware of that hence why they don't do anything about it, not even the illegal bots.