Selling accounts
angelxs
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hi all just wanna know if selling accounts is now ok because i reported an account that was sold weeks ago and it hasn't been banned so i wanna know if we can sell accounts now and buyer wont get his/her account banned even if someone report it @kalystconquerer#0876
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its still not okay to sell accounts. but just because it is against ToS doesnt mean that they will do anything about it. there are several rules in the ToS that are commonly broken and grounds for perma ban, but most of those accounts are still active. then again there are sometimes when one account breaks the rule once and gets perma ban, so even if nothing happens to the account in question dont risk selling account cause it can still end up perma ban
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Would be nice if we could trade accounts ( buy/sell etc.) Would probably motivate more people to keep or get back into playing this game. Or you know they could just enable server transfers. Wink wink nudge nudge..0
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hi all just wanna know if selling accounts is now ok because i reported an account that was sold weeks ago and it hasn't been banned so i wanna know if we can sell accounts now and buyer wont get his/her account banned even if someone report it @kalystconquerer#0876
Still banable.
They will take action but will not able to feedback the results.0 -
still bannable. but take a look around at any sever and there are multiple sold accounts still being used. so bannable but pw doesnt usually take action on it.
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This is definitely more CS's realm, so as to speculation on who gets the ban hammer and who doesn't, that I can't speak to. If you do see suspicious activity or active buying and selling accounts, these instances should always be reported with supplemental evidence in your ticket. This is also your generic reminder to not actively buy and sell accounts as it is against TOS, etc.0
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So u just kinda confirmed us that the ppl are treat by support by his CS history xD..now we can understand why support dont give a carrot on some ppl tickets
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kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »This is definitely more CS's realm, so as to speculation on who gets the ban hammer and who doesn't, that I can't speak to. If you do see suspicious activity or active buying and selling accounts, these instances should always be reported with supplemental evidence in your ticket. This is also your generic reminder to not actively buy and sell accounts as it is against TOS, etc.
black market will be always around hard to cut it off.
Also is any interest from PWI side to cut off all these bots running around and gathering flowers and other stuff?
Im not talking for auto-cultivation farming im talking for 3rd party programs that does the work. Years now these toons goes around collecting herbs and mats 24/7
Also would you ban all the clientless catshops?
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@motoor Not necessarily - it's more of the fact that that isn't my realm. When I see things, I'll report it myself, or when players report things to me directly I'll pass them on, but otherwise I don't action on players, if that makes sense. I'm QA + extra stuff, not Customer Support. Once I turn in the report, my involvement usually stops there.
@beast21g Those bots were always annoying when they were farming - I tended to troll them whenever I was in Hell a long time ago. Nowadays, whenever I pop in it's empty, though I don't doubt bots are still around.
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We had a GA program a long time ago, and I never understood what happened with it. The program got alot of interest when it was around. I'm pretty active myself, but I will heavily emphasize that I'm not always in touch with other servers needs/unique problems regarding these kinds of issues aside from my home server (3rd party bots, clientless catshops, scammers etc.) As in - I don't know the names of these accounts and all the details of each server in and out.
Do I know these problems exist? Yes. Do I have the manpower as one person to see them all? Not necessarily. I'll probably open up this topic with orinj in the new year and see how we can combat these types of issues and ways to address them.0 -
How about you release an official clientless catshop so people won't bother using virus-infected third party ones? There's obviously a demand for it.<a href="javascript:alert('really?')">Testing</a> - <a href="http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/profile">Links work or not?</a>
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kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »@motoor Not necessarily - it's more of the fact that that isn't my realm. When I see things, I'll report it myself, or when players report things to me directly I'll pass them on, but otherwise I don't action on players, if that makes sense. I'm QA + extra stuff, not Customer Support. Once I turn in the report, my involvement usually stops there.
@beast21g Those bots were always annoying when they were farming - I tended to troll them whenever I was in Hell a long time ago. Nowadays, whenever I pop in it's empty, though I don't doubt bots are still around.
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We had a GA program a long time ago, and I never understood what happened with it. The program got alot of interest when it was around. I'm pretty active myself, but I will heavily emphasize that I'm not always in touch with other servers needs/unique problems regarding these kinds of issues aside from my home server (3rd party bots, clientless catshops, scammers etc.) As in - I don't know the names of these accounts and all the details of each server in and out.
Do I know these problems exist? Yes. Do I have the manpower as one person to see them all? Not necessarily. I'll probably open up this topic with orinj in the new year and see how we can combat these types of issues and ways to address them.
If you PM me ill fill you in with the GA info that I know of.
I know I have Ticketed a few Bots in the last few days. Normally they get dealt with. Sadly one or to of them pop back.0 -
It reminded me of the Gamazon spam we recieve on a daily basis. Well, at least I recieve them lol. In the past you needed to be near a bot to get registered for spam. Now it's not needed: your charactername is registered so even if you hide for a long time you still recieve spam. People who start a new character will be registered instantly by the "spambot". Solving this problem would be easy (also send via a ticket) -> let people blacklist words in their ingame mailbox. We cannot 'block' all the mystic bots, the catshop snipers, the ah sniper etc. Lol, there are even bots who are willing to talk back
But it's not the bots only: even we people can abuse the game like doing lvl100 basequests and let 5 alts just flying above us. For some strange reason this seems to be allowed?! Well, we have the TOS.
This brings me back to the topic: it isn't bannable. For us 'normal' players it's easy: we can ignore people who are willing to sell their account via WorldChat (blacklist them). And for years now we don't have a GM who actually knows the TOS and act like it. We all know the catshop-snipers are here for years. The real problem would be recieving money. There is a chance that someone who bought an account is willing to spend $1200 for a "Grand Wizard Tensa"-card.
Then we all have heard the stories from people who where banned and for some strange reason (money) returned in the game.
Thanks for reading my reply; don't spend so much coins on something that won't be yours ^_^
(now..someone.. please buy me R9)
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The GA kinda died when the CM in charge of it left, and the subsequent CMs were mostly temporary and had other things to prioritize. Then we had the forum migration and it disappeared.
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Alot of people could possibly abuse it and you know..they had to either adapt the version from CN (which would break most likely) or create a new one (which would take alot of effort). The Problem is that such NPCs would HAVE to work. If someone goes haywire there...that would be devestating.
If it would revolve completely around ingame currency then it would be fine. Like you wanna sell account x for 1000 gold then the potential buyer has to pay (real money) for a % of the price (e.g. 10% = 100 $) as fee. The Gold itself could be from the AH itself. However, people could just bypass this and sell accounts for 1G to someone to make it legit while the buyer pays the seller outside of the system for the real price. Counter-Measures for that are easily implemented tho.
Imho they should then create a minimum value for a character based on Level, Sky-Level, Titles completion and passive-skill completion or skill completion in general and so on. I estimate the value of a character that has all titles, meridian done, nuema, 3x105, max Sky Level, all skills incl. passives with an avg chart of level 35 to at least 1k$ even if the char is absolutely gear and cardless (could be lower than 1k but we are talking about hundreds of hunreds of hours..borderlining the thousands of hours so 1k$ is fair imho). If its just an old r9rr char with barely even arcane Sky X, no titles, half meridian, no passives then the minimum price could be as little as 100$ and the rest is up the player. As quests for r9 can only be taken once that can also be taken into consideration.
Long Story short...this will never happen :P0 -
kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »
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We had a GA program a long time ago, and I never understood what happened with it. The program got alot of interest when it was around. I'm pretty active myself, but I will heavily emphasize that I'm not always in touch with other servers needs/unique problems regarding these kinds of issues aside from my home server (3rd party bots, clientless catshops, scammers etc.) As in - I don't know the names of these accounts and all the details of each server in and out.
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Sorry I'm dumb... what was the GA program.Here we go again....0 -
pwcn can sell/buy account/char/any tradable item legally. no any problem for game. i guess pwi just don't have this exchange platform or some USA rules disallow it.
It is a good idea to keep new ppl involve or old ppl active(cuz they think they can sell items or char if they don't want play one day).Main Chars in tidewell:
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aradya6793 wrote: »Alot of people could possibly abuse it and you know..they had to either adapt the version from CN (which would break most likely) or create a new one (which would take alot of effort). The Problem is that such NPCs would HAVE to work. If someone goes haywire there...that would be devestating.
If it would revolve completely around ingame currency then it would be fine. Like you wanna sell account x for 1000 gold then the potential buyer has to pay (real money) for a % of the price (e.g. 10% = 100 $) as fee. The Gold itself could be from the AH itself. However, people could just bypass this and sell accounts for 1G to someone to make it legit while the buyer pays the seller outside of the system for the real price. Counter-Measures for that are easily implemented tho.
Imho they should then create a minimum value for a character based on Level, Sky-Level, Titles completion and passive-skill completion or skill completion in general and so on. I estimate the value of a character that has all titles, meridian done, nuema, 3x105, max Sky Level, all skills incl. passives with an avg chart of level 35 to at least 1k$ even if the char is absolutely gear and cardless (could be lower than 1k but we are talking about hundreds of hunreds of hours..borderlining the thousands of hours so 1k$ is fair imho). If its just an old r9rr char with barely even arcane Sky X, no titles, half meridian, no passives then the minimum price could be as little as 100$ and the rest is up the player. As quests for r9 can only be taken once that can also be taken into consideration.
Long Story short...this will never happen :P
china has it functional and it's not being abused despite the **** amount of botters\hackers\spammers etch
we have 1\100th of their playerbase and we don't have it, while we really could use it legit and would massively improve the gameplay experience.
as i said as newer players realize how long it takes to get up to date and be competitive, they just drop this title
I would be totally game for that. If such a system would make its way here I would buy an endgame sin, hardcoll roll anyone with it, record it and send it to China so that they fix the friggin class Spending a few thousand to balance this game? Sure, why not 0 -
Funny they can trade... And have stupid amounts of bots and the loss of DQ coins and mirages.
Now tell me it's not a problem. It's a game not a business when ur playing. The business is the company running the game.0 -
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Its no use to put in a ticket. I did it last time to ask about the way ppl talk in Worldchat. For some reason its get important to tell the whole server : you had a boner last night. All i get form Support is to block that person. Guess PWI-staff dont give about their game. Bots are still arround. Simple : check OJJ they dig so fast and you cant get in. Adress them and most log out. Its also there are no new players because the market inside pwi died the minute pwi nerve all drops. Its BH rewards are not even up to get some coins. Some gifts are not even of worth for me. If i get a reward for 2 mil each 6 weeks...im the lucky one. A new player dont even want to start like aradya6793 said. Every update we get more to do ...I didn't even make it 3 x 105....0
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Seconding this question - my memory must be failing me, because I feel like I should remember what this is and yet I don't. I certainly don't recall any program related to account trading.paralleogram wrote: »Sorry I'm dumb... what was the GA program.
I can honestly say I've never heard of clientless catshops, but then I'm not really up on third-party client tools. I do know that there are a number of bots who fly around looking at the catshops. Recently I learned that this is related to a website which compiles items found in catshops so that one might essentially search all catshops, AH etc at the same time for the best item price. Not sure if we're allowed to link said site here though. o.o
For the longest time I didn't understand what those bots were for, and on a couple of occasions I would hit them with transformation items in an attempt to ground them and thus mess them up. It seemed to work at first, but the next time I was in the area I'd see them up and flying again. Say one thing for whoever codes these bots, they seem to know what they're doing. :PMains: Miugre / LigerKing
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You forget about one thing.
You are players.
Company own this game.
It propose entertainment services to you.
Company sell items from Cash Shop to players.
Right now players can quickly level up to 105 using pills from Cash Shop.
You had proposed to sell characters ...
It can be done through Cash Shop.
But may be company right now has more profit from selling items, than whole characters.0 -
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greenfire312 wrote: »
Seconding this question - my memory must be failing me, because I feel like I should remember what this is and yet I don't. I certainly don't recall any program related to account trading.paralleogram wrote: »Sorry I'm dumb... what was the GA program.
I can honestly say I've never heard of clientless catshops, but then I'm not really up on third-party client tools. I do know that there are a number of bots who fly around looking at the catshops. Recently I learned that this is related to a website which compiles items found in catshops so that one might essentially search all catshops, AH etc at the same time for the best item price. Not sure if we're allowed to link said site here though. o.o
For the longest time I didn't understand what those bots were for, and on a couple of occasions I would hit them with transformation items in an attempt to ground them and thus mess them up. It seemed to work at first, but the next time I was in the area I'd see them up and flying again. Say one thing for whoever codes these bots, they seem to know what they're doing. :P
The Game Advisors (GA) program was a very short-lived attempt at having something similar to forum moderators on the servers. Had a secret forum for it and everything.
The idea started in early 2013, hit the road near July, and then once v4liance left, it didn't really get picked up again and fell apart.
Select players would monitor server activity, and send reports on infractions ect directly to the support team. Mostly it was just world-chat, reporting bots, and other similar things that were deemed harmful to the community. Things like account sharing and ini edits not so much.
We had some discussion late last year about rebooting it, but at that time the resources were not available. We also have lost most of the community that assisted with it, and replacing them would be the hardest part.0 -
While i think its overall beneficial to have a GA team, a large majority of issues in servers are reported (or people claim they report) and cs makes no move, or no lasting moves, to make a difference in those reports we already make. I personally fail to see how a GA can make a difference unless they have special influence on the customer support team, and im not even sure i agree with that. Why should a small few have more say in what is negatively affecting communities than the communities themselves?
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I gotta agree with this , if i was a new player that starts playing , i gotta lvl to 101 to reborn then lvl again to reborn again and then lvl to 105 , 3x 105 without exp neck is just idk makes me wanna uninstall/slash wrists.
Then i gotta do culti , then morai dailies to catch up on some morai skill and get 2nd pv token from there, then i start primal dailies , amount of bloods needed for all passives would just make me /slash wirsts.
To top it all off , amount of time/money i need to put in meridians , then i start home , amount of dailies i need there to catch up to others is few months , then if i finally reached the point where i do UP and etc /slash wrists.
Honestly it would be a good sugestion if culti were to be auto done till sage/demon , morai and meridians maxed, new players given few hundred bloods ,get majority of titles also done from start , cause if i was a player thats just starting once someone told me all this i would uninstall and never look back at this game again xD
1 year of dailies to just catch up to where rest are so i can have potentially fair pvp where i wont get 1shot by some random aoe of some not even OP r9 normal geared player, u understand how sad that sounds xD
I mean i would rather go play some new game that came out recently and has more 'draw' then pwi once i realize amount of dailies i gotta do to reach that point , and thats not fast dailies , to do all i said (morai , culti , bh , home q , up ,ingame events , pv , primal, fsp) it takes fking 6+ hours minimum - ITS LIKE A JOB FFS XD.
(As a new starting player u dont know that many op ppl yet so u can have easy fast runs of all instances and etc).
How can pwi make money off culti , lvling , bloods, dailies and etc , only way is from putting some pills that enable all that in boutique and as a new player spending few hundreds to potentially thousands of dollars/euros on that when i can just buy GW2 for 20 euros 50% off or buy FF14 or WoW or some f2p new mmo.
So yea i gotta agree buying/selling accounts should have been implemented years ago...
If someone would quit for real , why not have an option to sell the account , that can make endgame geared accounts still active on new ppl and rerolls woudnt make us want to kill ourself.
Or even if there is an npc i list my acc sell it and buy some other endgame gear class i wanna play, simple as that and pwe can make a lot of money from it trust me the potential for good profit here is really big
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Honestly, the market for selling/buying accounts is there and it will be till the game closes. Right now its unregulated wild west PWE gets no cut of. They could do what China has and have an npc for it, get a cut of the market and revitalize the game a bit. There is very little reason not to do this unless there is some laws/regulations which forbids PWE from doing this.
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PWru asked chinese year ago and they said its 'technically unreal to make it on any other official server for now' or in other words they wanna keep this money cow for themselves
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