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lmao that long-suffering-pwi-player attitude. Thanks, was helpful

Is there a correlation between the amount of points you currently have and the strength of the mobs you battle?

I haven't seen anything yet that shows I have an easier time winning at 500 points vs 1200 points.​​

asterelle wrote: »

Some minion math..
So a lot of the minion stuff is on PWDB - CN. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/36315
There are 15 blue rank minions, 10 yellow rank, and 5 red rank.
Rare A pouch = 25 blue rank (30%), 2 yellow rank (60%), 1 red rank (10%)
Rare B pouch = 5 blue rank (60%), 1 yellow rank (40%)
Rare C pouch = 1 blue rank (90%), 1 yellow rank (10%)

The actual pack award chances: http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/36318
Battle win = Rank A (20%), Rank B (30%), Rank C (50%)

The level up curve is given on the descriptions of each minion, blue maxes out at lvl 9, yellow lvl 8, red lvl 7

Level- needed - cumulative
Level 1 - 1 - 1
Level 2 - 2 - 3
Level 3 - 4 - 7
Level 4 - 10 - 17
Level 5 - 20 - 37
Level 6 - 50 - 87
Level 7 - 100 - 187 (Max of red minion)
Level 8 - 200 - 387 (Max of yellow minion)
Level 9 - 400 - 787 (Max of blue minion)

So how many battle wins does it take to have 787 of any blue, 387 of any yellow, 187 of any red?

Average number of a specific blue per pack = (25*.3*.2 + 5*.6*.3 + .5*.9) / 15 = .19
Average number of a specific yellow per pack = (2*.6*.2 + .4*.3 + .5*.1) / 10 = .041
Average number of a specific yellow per pack = (.1*.2) / 5 = .004

787/.19 = 4142 wins to max out your blues
387/.041 = 9439 wins to max out yellows
187/.004 = 46750 wins to max out reds

Currently nothing stopping you from buying as many wins as you can, you can play 20 times for 2 gold each. Lets say you get 15 wins out of those 20 on average.

4142 wins = 552 gold spent
9439 wins = 1258 gold spent
46750 wins = 6233 gold spent

Maybe if there was a 50% sale you could max out all of your minions for 3000 gold, either that or keep playing 200 battles per month for the next 26 years.

But then, what use is maxed minions beyond getting star chart items? It's just a convoluted way to get you to spend money so you can save money elsewhere. AKA starchart/cards. I see they help productivity of homestead, but again, just making you spend money so you can save elsewhere. IDK I'm still figuring this out but it's not making sense to me

Very good info to all of you though. Thank you.​​

So if we are already satisfied with our starchart / avatar, there's no need to level minions or can totally skip this minion things ?

It's less mind-numbing than tower so I'm cool w/ it.​​

does rewards list reset each month? are the rewards and points for it always same? i assume the points do reset ofc
yea i know, in 3 days i will find out but... im not a patient person :P

One thing that might help @greenfire312 is to look at what your opponents are strong against if you dont have any minions that are strong against theirs. Then just choose your strongest minions that have neither advantage or disadvantage. This ofc is still affected by the luck thing like @testxvi says. But i found some success just using my highest level minions as long as they werent weak against my opponent. Actually idk how much people look at this but its good to consider even for your advantageous minions since lots are weak and strong against certain minions.

eirghan wrote: »

One thing that might help @greenfire312 is to look at what your opponents are strong against if you dont have any minions that are strong against theirs. Then just choose your strongest minions that have neither advantage or disadvantage. This ofc is still affected by the luck thing like @testxvi says. But i found some success just using my highest level minions as long as they werent weak against my opponent. Actually idk how much people look at this but its good to consider even for your advantageous minions since lots are weak and strong against certain minions.

Yeah, this is the primary problem with the system. Sometimes you'll get a matchup where the only necessary strategy is "bulldoze them with your highest." Other times, it literally doesn't matter what you send in because those inherent combat power disadvantages will render it all pointless.

I make no claim to being some tactical genius, but it's frustrating as hell to spend the bulk of your three minutes painstakingly checking the (poorly formatted) strengths and weaknesses of each enemy only to realize you may as well have sent your top three on that particular suicide mission because it never really mattered. Even if the RNG is above-average to you and you manage to beat the spread on two of the three minions, the third usually gets a bonus and handily negates all the careful planning you may have done (especially if it's the commander).

In essence, I don't think it's fair to need to choose everything perfectly, have minions that fit the requirements, and have the RNG be super extra special nice to you to squeak by with a win. Any way you slice it, that's bad matchmaking.

What's funny is that usually this where I'd break out the "well, it's pay to win, what do you expect" mantra - except it really isn't (which is unusual for PWI, to be sure). All cash would get you here is more battles, and while these would certainly have a non-zero impact, it's not like buying gear that guarantees you a win against anyone who didn't buy the same. This, best I can tell, is purely the fault of the matchmaking system.

dingo488 wrote: »

Its important to note that getting a higher score basically comes down to climbing the ladder. A lot of people that did their 200 battles early yesterday didnt make it very high up this ladder, because there was nothing and no one above them to grab onto to climb higher, as a result they'd be matched up against people with less points than them n received very little points per win and losing more per loss, because at that time 1000 or 1200 was the top of the ladder.

Instead its better to wait a while for the ladder to be a lil more expanded, like right now the top of the ladder is 1500~1600 with a few outliers, meaning that when you are fighting people with 1200 people they'll still be pretty average in power, whereas for the people that did it the first day those 1200 people wud be the strongest on the ladder at the time, so its way more likely you'll have negative results.

This is an interesting theory, but I wonder how it will hold up after the reset in a few days - or indeed, every coming month when the scores are reset. I could see it being a total free-for-all when everyone is at < 100 points and you get pitted against someone with twice your power.

I can't help but thinking the matchmaking would be better if it worked off of opponent's combat power rather than points? That way you'd be more likely to guarantee even match-ups where your choices of element/species would determine the outcome.

testxvi wrote: »

Today i received my first primal on my main after harvesting. Shes still sitting on 850 score though.

That would require you to get A packs from harvesting, wouldn't it? May I ask what items you're harvesting to get that? I'm using standard pumpkins/goats and getting B packs each time.

idc i love my goats ​​

I really should have accounted for farming in those calculations, didn't notice those at the time. You can get 4 rare A pouches a day from farming with 12 or 24 hr UP seeds and that's 120 a month. Even if you had a 100% win rate in your battles you'd only get 60 A pouches from the 200 battles. Realistically you'd get like 45 A pouches. Farming is around 3 times more effective than actual battles at getting the rare A pouches. That should cut down the farm times considerably.​​

Open your Garden/Paradise and click the Storage button. Pouches seem to go in there.​​

stop encouraging variety in herds @asterelle

Pretty sure my gardens are both at like level 2. If not level 1 ​​

nice info here, was wondering if someone could do an elemental chart showing what element beats which and to what degree. i noticed that while one element beats another, there are other elements that will beat that one but to a lesser degree.