Is this real?

foley3k wrote: »

dregenfox wrote: »

The whole point for many lawyers is to challenge shady business actions like the one you described. If anything, it would be a civil/criminal case, with the grounds of proof being an intent to defraud. You can't open a game, run massive promotions and get people to charge a ton of money, and shut down the service 5 minutes later because its in your ToS. Technically you agreed to their ToS but violations like what you described were not meant to be enforced like that.

The only reason it wouldn't be challenged is because the monetary value is too insignificant to be worth the trouble. But I don't know for sure how much money people are spending in this game.

What PWI would likely do i'm guessing is to inform everyone 3 months ahead of time that the servers would be shutting down, stop taking payments, and give out free rewards/etc to appease customers.

Shady business practice? I didnt say they run a promotion then after people charged money, they shut it down. I said in the next 7 minutes they could shut down the game,(I didn't check if there are promotions running) but my point was that they can close the servers at any time they wanted to. If business is bad, you think the first thing on PWEs mind is the moron that spent $30K on this game?
You think people who bought a Pontiac are supposed to get their money back after their doors closed?

superfedee wrote: »

'murica is the home country of class actions, we put my 20ks here, then the 20ks of some others i know just from dawnglory, then you put the 1ks together, then you put the ones of other servers in the same lawsuit aswell,
there you go PWE has to face a million dollar lawsuit.

aaaaaaaand guess what? PWE is a company based in california so it can be damn subject to class actions and using words i already used in past, PWE ToS can be hard challenged in court, they are filled with vexatious clauses which require a particular form of contract for their acceptance from customer part, that is completely missing in here.
Only bringing this argument to court gives place to a void contract and full refund of the sums involved, for a service that is regulated by ToS that is vitiated by vexatious clauses.

@saxroll it was forsaken world

also there was a psychic called Rahiki on morai, he was playing a different server and had a problem with his account shut down due to a third part, and he had cashed in it.
PWE had to make a brand new 104 char full r9+10\12 on a different server to him, which he played for few years before quitting, who played morai knows, was the only 104 psy of the server that popped from scratch, with no name on gears when we didn't have inks.​​

Giving the benefit of the doubt, I would say at absolute most, on a good day, with a lawyer and judge that both play PWE, you might get back the money you spent in 1 month prior to the game being shut down. After the lawyer(s) fees. You might have enough left over to get a 7-11 hot dog and a Slurpee (small). I couldn't see a class action lawsuit getting certified against them for closing their servers.

You guys have to remember, that PWE does not sell a service. They sell zen, which is what you get when you spend money.
I seriously hope that people here do not think that they can get all or most of the money they spent on this game back when servers go down.

foley3k wrote: »

superfedee wrote: »

how not? unilateral behaviour in a "void" contract that caused damage worth of conspincuos economical value to multiple parts
that's ez
also in which world you have to pay your own lawyer's fees if you actully win the trial?
they sell virtual currency, that you used in their service, that went poof cause of unilateral behaviour blablabla

judges and juries, aren't machines, you can have on terms whatever you want, you could've sold whatever you want, but it's going to be clear as hell that PWE caused damage worth of economical value by interrupting service, especially if said service and purchases, were regulated by vexatious clauses that simply cannot be accepted customer part with a web page form by law.

and this just in case they announce shut down and then they proceed with it in the mid period, if they announce and shut down or plain shut down, right after customers put money, there is the prerequisite to prove fraudulent behaviour, which is actually a crime and someone there is gonna end up in jail for it.

i've seen lot of litigations of this sort, in europe they usually end with a settlement, you don't recover everything but most of the times 50%+​​

In which world do you live in where you don't have to pay a lawyer? A lawyer gets paid up front, a percentage of the money awarded, or a set amount upon losing a court case. Show me a lawyer that works for free, and I will show you a homeless person.
Again, I said that PWE could shut down the servers whenever they wanted. I didn't say they would run a promo, grab the money and close servers.
What damage economical value by them closing their doors because it is no longer viable to stay in business?

Again, I bring up the Pontiac example. They shut their doors. Can people who bought a Pontiac now sue to get some of their money back?

superfedee wrote: »

re-read what i wrote, who loses trial pays fees, usually judge itself even states in the sentence which part is supposed to pay lawyer fees.
you do not pay a lawyer up front, unless it's administrative stuff or injuctions (where you already have an enforceable title) besides the fact there are firms that take pro-bonos.

then your example is completely out of context,
pontiac went bankrupt... if PWE goes bankrupt its another kettle of fish, but well PWE has quite solid investors and capitalization.

Pwe is more like, Ford sold you a car, then that car model have innate engine issues, and they decide to shut down the car production, servicing, and replacement parts production of that model,
then you are stuck with that car that doesnt work and can't be fixed -> loss of economical value

Pwe can shut down PWI at any time.

Yes they can, then if there are subjects that put money into PWI, they can come after whoever took that decision and bring the fraudulent behaviour case in court.
I am quite sure PWE is stocked up with lawyers, they won't shut down titles that generate conspicuous cash flows, look at some other PW titles like idk Jade dynasty, they are so dead and yet PW doesnt shut them down, you have to wonder why.

As a company, not every product you have can generate a revenue, but you still have to differentiate your income from multiple sources, as low as it could be for some titles, with your logic PWE should keep up only idk neverwinter, imagine a major **** up happens to neverwinter and ppl quit the game. Your company goes default.
Instead: major **** up happens to neverwinter, np, i have other sources, i cut my costs, i resize, i optimize my company to make the little income from lesser titles be enough to keep my company running.

that's how you run a business.​​