R9.3 Warsong vs R9.3 Nationwar

tek1nig · July 2016

superfedee wrote: »

zzz how can the same char with a weapon that has more weapon damage, hit for less with skills that add x00% weapon damage to the attack? either there is something missing in the calc but logic is logic.... with r9r4 you have more base damage and more damage added by skills, how can it hit for less xD

also again crit rate even if you read 100% is capped at 95%, i have 100% crit rate myself and sometimes i don't crit.

Please refer to my last post above - also please refer to a side by side comparison here:
http://bankaigod.pwfactions.com/forum_threads/2471150

You are incorrect in your statement as r9.3 Warsong has a higher base damage on the weapon than r9.3 Nationwar - the extra 84+ physical attack offsets this issue.

afaria86 · July 2016

But those 84+ physical attack will be also added to your weapon damage...

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tek1nig · July 2016

superfedee wrote: »

exactly, but he doesnt wanna understand it
well meh his loss

I'm not sure why you are constantly attacking me in this thread and many others but i'll say this for the final time. Please read the posts in this thread instead of just ignorantly assuming you know what you're saying lol. I clearly pointed out the issue; and the issue was resolved with my calc because the attack levels were bugged, full screenshots were provided with the issue and the fix afterwards - it would do you well to read before you type.

Also, I did 1 hour test in pvp for Power dash raising my crit rate to 100% and I haven't missed 1 crit in 1 hour of back to back usage so i'm not sure about your 95% theory but I guess it doesn't apply to power dash. Granted it sucks when you "miss" at 100% Crit, but because I missed that doesn't negate that fact that it was 100% crit every hit I did land.

afaria86 wrote: »

But those 84+ physical attack will be also added to your weapon damage...

If you read, I was responding to his claim that r9.3(Sidecast) had a higher base damage. And the simple fact is that it does not have a higher "base" in a conversation of stats one must use the correct terminology to be properly understood.

Please do not get confused by "superfedee" he is a fan of derailing topics with mis-information please read my previous post you and I seeing the exact same thing. The issue I had was because my calc was bugged giving me 23 less attack levels then I should have had.

eirghan · July 2016

Sweet I was gonna do this this morning. Glad everyone agrees on the outcome now I can go back to my husband and be like "Heres the answer" xD Sorry you have to spend the extra money @tek1nig wouldn't it be nice for the more OP option to be the cheaper one for once

tek1nig · July 2016

eirghan wrote: »

Sweet I was gonna do this this morning. Glad everyone agrees on the outcome now I can go back to my husband and be like "Heres the answer" xD Sorry you have to spend the extra money @tek1nig wouldn't it be nice for the more OP option to be the cheaper one for once

I was lucky enough to already have farmed the gold required to get the ingots and had friends who gave me the other mat for free. So with the orbs I have stashed away I could get to +11 instantly. But I won't side-grade until I get a new +12 orb and 2 new Drakeflame stones and of course the coin farmed so I can re-engrave them

dregenfox · July 2016

tek1nig wrote: »

superfedee wrote: »

exactly, but he doesnt wanna understand it
well meh his loss

I'm not sure why you are constantly attacking me in this thread and many others but i'll say this for the final time. Please read the posts in this thread instead of just ignorantly assuming you know what you're saying lol. I clearly pointed out the issue; and the issue was resolved with my calc because the attack levels were bugged, full screenshots were provided with the issue and the fix afterwards - it would do you well to read by your your type.

Also, I did 1 hour test in pvp for Power dash raising my crit rate to 100% and I haven't missed 1 crit in 1 hour of back to back usage so i'm not sure about your 95% theory but I guess it doesn't apply to power dash. Granted it sucks when you "miss" at 100% Crit, but because I missed that doesn't negate that fact that it was 100% crit every hit I did land.

afaria86 wrote: »

But those 84+ physical attack will be also added to your weapon damage...

If you read, I was responding to his claim that r9.3(Sidecast) had a higher base damage. And the simple fact is that it does not have a higher "base" in a conversation of stats one must use the correct terminology to be properly understood.

Please do not get confused by "superfedee" he is a fan of derailing topics with mis-information please read my previous post you and I seeing the exact same thing. The issue I had was because my calc was bugged giving me 23 less attack levels then I should have had.

Weapons do not have a "base" damage...the game treats everything as either weapon damage or maximum weapon damage. The china R9 will do more damage on every single one of your skills than your old R9.3, the question is whether it is worth it or not. In terms of cost efficiency it simply isn't, especially since many people are on track to get G17 and those weapons will probably cost a LOT to refine. You'll need every penny to get them to +12.

dregenfox · July 2016

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tek1nig · July 2016

dregenfox wrote: »

Weapons do not have a "base" damage...the game treats everything as either weapon damage or maximum weapon damage. The china R9 will do more damage on every single one of your skills than your old R9.3, the question is whether it is worth it or not. In terms of cost efficiency it simply isn't, especially since many people are on track to get G17 and those weapons will probably cost a LOT to refine. You'll need every penny to get them to +12.

Yes as I said in previous post to a few other people I came to that conclusion as well, previously there was an issue with my calc that resulted in 23 less attack levels on the loaded opponent side, I provided screenshots of the bug and the fix in previous posts so you are correct in your statement. But at the same time you should take a look at the side-by-sides of each weapons minimum and maximum attacks. This is what we were discussion for the majority of this thread and I simply pointed out that the r9.3 we currently have is a bit higher. You can reference this information here:

http://bankaigod.pwfactions.com/forum_threads/2471150

superfedee wrote: »

"no man the weapon has less base damage, it's worse man"

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Sorry I've been reading the forums for years and since your name has appeared its nothing but flame baiting. You may want to research your own name "superfedee" on these forums o.o I cannot tell a lie when you have such a large trail on these forums.

Yes I am aware of the damage formula you quoted. Its been available publicly for i don't know ... since beta so yes you are correct in your reference of it:
http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Damage#Weapon_Attack

But the conversation was your stating the benefit of trading over to the weapon because of the distinct values on the weapon - and as i said for you and many others here, the base "numeric" value is higher for the current r9.3 daggers opposed to the r9.3 nationwar daggers.

As I stated in previous posts I the full troubleshooting process occurred resulting with the r9.3 NW cast hitting harder and if you simply read the posts instead of making inflammatory accusations, assumptions and flame baiting an E-Argument you'd see that the calc I had was bugged reducing my attack levels by 23 during the damage testing. This was pointed out and resolved which is why I concluded with the results I will be switching to r9.3 NW cast.

And lastly, I am happy you brought that up about the star charts. As you should be well aware the mechanic of this system is that you do not loose any exp during the devouring process meaning when I do get an excellent star chart I would of course switch over to something more suitable. As a matter of fact I do have just the star chart that i've been plugging into this same exact calc that we've been utilizing in this thread and the results are interesting. But that is for another day and another post.

A moderator may close this post as my question was answered thank you!

R9.3 Warsong vs R9.3 Nationwar

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