Any Interest in a no-holds barred, PVP server? + Which events do you like? + Custom pet or mount?

daymond wrote: »

Actually our model is the failed one.
PW is going much stronger in China where there is no PvE server.​​

Comparing apples to oranges. PW is stronger in China because they have more people and fewer choices. And who's to say how much better PWCN would be if they had PVE servers?

Eh, I'm going to have to agree. We shouldn't compare PWI to PWCN. No matter how much China tries to make our version closer to theirs, there are distinct differences.

I'm also sure PWE's decision to make PvE servers, when the game was launched here, were based on some sort of data. There is a reason we had more PvE servers than PvP servers. Whether we like it or not, that's the reality of things.

The best solution for our problem is 1) creating a cross-server PvP area that's available all-day and 2) fixing/modifying some events and bosses to require PvP mode (Resource Wars, Primal World Boss, World Bosses etc.).

Side note: I'm pretty sure a cross-server PvP area would be something that other PW versions would like and appreciate as well, so maybe that would give incentive to the developers to create one.

superfedee wrote: »

orinj wrote: »

superfedee wrote: »

@orinj first things first tho mate can you please fix the thursday tournament please, players are starving for cross-server battles

I'll ask about this one as well tonight. Thanks. -Orinj

thank you very much @orinj
also one thing that absolutely has to be brought to china is that game engine needs to be updated, game needs at least to start use GPU and to support multi-threading (atm elementiclient.exe uses only 1 core, and doesnt use GPU at a point that Shadowplay finds nothing to record when you run the client), this issue is at the base of the unbearable lag in pretty much all the main PvP instances

They're supposedly already working on that, according to China, like 2-3 years ago (or whenever the return of the original devs / archosaur studio was), yet nothing of it has seen the light of day, so if they're actually working on it or not is questionable. One would think after 2-3 years there would be something... visible, unless they're rewriting literally everything from scratch, but I doubt it.

Single-core MMO's are very common to this day so I wouldn't expect a lot from that, although it could be nice.
GPU utilization is where it's at for PW to get its gain, multi-core CPU is just an icing on the cake after that at this point.​​

The PvEfobia is real.

motoor wrote: »

Is vry funny to see all these ppl saying if they swich pvp i will quite bla bla..i think i heard this story 1000 milion times..like if that update will come will quite..if they dont fix the time on even will quite..if they dont do anything will quite..and they never quited..And something even more funny exacly the ppl who read nonstop the forum and comment are the one who will not quite no mather what LOL..

I personally have never said before that I'll quit. Nor do I say now that I'll completely quit if they turned the PvE server that I'm on into a PvP-server. It will still be a lovely chat app. XD Since not everyone is on skype. js

As I respect other people's choice to have a PvP-server, the same way I'd like my choice to be respected. I do support the idea of a PvP-server, for those that want one. I don't see why people think it's ok to have pvp, but it's not ok to have pve, or the opposite (pve but not pvp). It's a choice, or taste if you'd like. I don't think there are more rights to pvp or pve. Both choices could be respected.

orinj wrote: »

Unrelated to this thread -

For those of you who asked for the Thursday Tourny to be fixed and TW reset -
I spoke with the Devs last night and confirmed that both can/will be addressed soon.
Do keep in mind that I normally have one of my Product Managers field these calls so I may have missed something context going in and also some details coming out.

Thursday Tournament
The Thursday Tourny that they commented on is a new game feature that hasn't been fully implemented. As soon as our QA can do a functionality pass, we will release it. Should be in the next two weeks at latest. One day optimum, one week most likely.

TW Reset
They informed me that the last reset was in March and that we're do for another one. I'll ask my Community Team to work on logistics, communications, and rewards. We'll notify you all before we make any changes. This too should happen in the next two weeks at latest.

Thanks. -Orinj

Derailing thread mod gogogo block him
On a serious note though, the cross server area sounds like fun and a good idea. As someone who can't make cross server TW it would be nice to get a chance to test myself against people from other servers especially now that cross server NW doesn't exist anymore​​

Some of this is getting really off topic. I dont see anywhere orinj suggested we would flip all servers pvp. This debate is moot. I think the question was actually do we want a pvp server to be made. Given, there have been ideas how best to do that , but.. Flipping all servers pvp after decades of pve is not likely.

That said i think both sides can keep it respectful....

superfedee wrote: »

orinj wrote: »

superfedee wrote: »

@orinj first things first tho mate can you please fix the thursday tournament please, players are starving for cross-server battles

I'll ask about this one as well tonight. Thanks. -Orinj

thank you very much @orinj
also one thing that absolutely has to be brought to china is that game engine needs to be updated, game needs at least to start use GPU and to support multi-threading (atm elementiclient.exe uses only 1 core, and doesnt use GPU at a point that Shadowplay finds nothing to record when you run the client), this issue is at the base of the unbearable lag in pretty much all the main PvP instances​​

Fix this please!! You can keep on making updates etc but with 75% of the people having 1 FPS this game is just worthlesssss. Also stop wasting your time on creating a new server when we barely have people on those servers we have atm and use the money on fixing the FPS issue instead. And since all servers we have atm are kinda dead i would rather have another merge then anything else

Extra new PVP server:
• No because; in large part players haven't got time anymore.
1) For a second fulltime character on another server, due the super heavy amount of daily quests that players must do to stay "somewhat competitive for pvp".
2) If they abandon ther main character, the other servers become more empty (remember why servers got merged in the first place?)


Some reasons why PVP in PWI have problems:
• I believe the amount of people that are more into PVE is way bigger then the amount of people that is into PVP. (I assume the amount of active ZEN chargers is mostly coming from the hardcore pvp sector.)
• New players that haven't played PWI ever before, need A LOT of time to catch up and to be abel to find satisfying PVP at all. (PVP offspring is very low.)


Ideas how to make PWI run better and more active:
• Merge again servers, 4 into 2. And turn them to PVE servers. For the simple reason that people should be abel to have the decision to stay PVE or go PVE/PK after level 30. Nobody should be forced into PK. I believe it's possible to do it happend succesfully once in the past. The minority that simply just want to pk can go whitename and farm each other as often as they want, whenever they want. Additional that way ther wouldn't be a need to create/code special new X-server areas for pvp etc.

• Instead of having crazy changes like a new game engine; add a button to prevent genies from showing. My game got so mutch more laggy since the realease of genies and ther isn't any way to disabel them. Less lag, more fun.

•Add PVP/PK ranking on the servers (visible on the PWI website) like back then in 2009 (Kills on server "XXX total number" / Kill per death ratio "3.2 kills per death"/ Kills by class "XXX number")

• Cross-Server NW (players are assigned with random system to nation, or a "player-balance-system" that will keep player nation numbers equal. (So for example, no Nation end up having 800 players and others 300.)

• Make Names in X-PVP events public

• Review/test class balance, increase or nerf skills (Stormbringers, Duskblades, Seekers and Mystics, Clerics)

• Release the PVP-Cross server Turnament (CN already have that)

• Release more titles or some kind of archivments, that people can obtained PVE related (killed 5000 monsters "MonsterSmasher" etc.), but also PVP titles that are beeing obtained by kills/purge/stuns/debuffs etc. in PVP (purged 1000 players "The face of Evil" etc.)


Random fun ideas:
• Add new smileys on the botique, increase ther price but make them premant and tradeabel
• Put NEW Pack fashions, mounts and flyers on botique or biddinghall
• Make Venomancer battlepets dyeabel (we can dye mounts already!)
• Allow same sex/gender marriage and embrancing/holding
• Duke shouts a server msg when people are getting divorced, haha
• Releasing finally male venomancers and female barbs
• Add a TAIL! To the Venomancer style presets that have NO TAIL (like bunny veno or antenna/horns veno)
• Add more style presets to the Untamed Race (racoon venomancer or white wolf barbarian etc.)


This should get fixed, my monitoring as a venomancer of what's going wrong:
• Give all tameabel venomancer pets a additional evolution step. (only ~19 pets can evolve at the moment) Right now I consider every pet as useless for PVP that isn't: 1) Legendary 2) Evolved (Avatar of War, Battlebot, Harpy, Phoenix, Herc). Other regular tameabel pets that are high level (level 100+), evolved and have additonal buffs etc. still just die in serious (group) PVP.

• Redo/Revive/Add/Incrase pet skills; like Sacrifice/ Flash Ream/ Bash/ Penetrate / Bloodhunger etc. they are not having any updated effect anymore in PVP (Sacrifice does 1000 dmg while pet 'suicide' [Lose 75% of current HP to inflict 400% of Pet's base physical damage to an enemy.]) What's 1000 dmg right now, while people have 50.000 HP? Or the pet skill 'Flash Ream' that is inflicting dmg based on the targets physical defense. It doesn't even tickle anyone with the current amounts of Physcial Defense or Magic Resistance in pvp, also ther is no smart aggro control of the pet nor serious debuffs.

• Upgrade/Redo pet Mood buffs/skills! I am rerolling stats and mood of my Battlebot (225 Gold) now since I got it, I still haven't have the mood I like and I rerolled it countless times. Same for my Avatar of War pet which I reroll it's mood for around 2 years now but still end up not having the mood(level of buff/skills) that I wish. It's just to random to get a good pet mood and ADDITIONAL to be that lucky to hit a high level on the buffs/skills of the mood (which is absulute random too, rofl), or get good pet stats when the stats are beeing rerolled. Also most mood buffs/skills have a to low % amount to be interesting/usefully. (2% chance on random stun/seal while attacking, is nothing!)

• Fix the pet movement (Phoenix doesn't fly from ground-to air after evolving anymore), and other pets too. Also they glitch and get stuck on the TW map (changing lines and sides in TW with pet = pet get stuck = veno need to fly or resummone it all time. (The pet "Windwalking Piggy"/ evolved "Lil' Dolphy" still move the way 'pets should move, without bugging and glitching', why not copy the code and fix the movment of all the others pets?)

• Increase the 'player dmg reduction buff' for pets; Venomancer battlepets are still that weak that most venos end up, not even reviving them anymore. The new pet heal helps a little but that will be gone once players turn stronger (G17 weaps upgrade, starchart, higher spirit /boundary lvls etc.)

• Increase the amount of FERAL SOULS that venomancers get from the instance 'Lycaeum of cultivation', which are necessary to evolve/reroll mood/stats of pets. Or decrease the amount of FS that are needed to reroll stats/mood etc.

dblazen1 wrote: »

@orinj There's a reason why PvP servers were more dead than PvE servers and mergers had to happen.
Give that some thought and let it sink in, what it will do when you turn PvE servers into PvP ones?

I came from the Harshlands and I had fun morning noon and night and to me the server was bustling with players all growing and wanting to fight and have fun. My faction the BankaiGOD's was a middle tier'd guild. There were 3 dominating factions on the harshlands which were largely composed of the heavily competitive players all seeking to merge everything into there guild to overcome the others. So from their perspective "oh QQ nobody to PVP - Because they merged every other faction who cared to pvp into themselves".

That's not a design flaw of PVP as it happens on the PVE server as well, that's simply human nature of greed for power then when its too late seeing the consequences of their search for power.

I've been playing this game almost 9 years - of those years most were on a PVP server and not only did PVP server players have more fun with the game, we were able to mold alliances to fight our rivals because this allowed us to have a fighting chance to conquer those that would pose a threat on the open world pvp.

Today I consider uninstalling on a daily basis because of the lack of fun this game gives. For 1 year since the merge this PVE server nonsense has given me shame for me spending so many years on a character that is almost 100% unused on the battle field. I have wept for the friends that have uninstalled the game because it went PVE and the many more who leave daily because they play the game to have fun. Not to Come from WORK to open PWI and go to PWI WORK from non-stop - repetitive PVE.

This entire server PvE situation is an outrage and if we are to grow as a community we must cast off the training wheels. How long do you expect to stay safe in the cocoon known as PVE? I know there are many "Vocal PVE" players that will post here do not change. But DO NOT BE FOOLED @orinj The PvP players are simply too lazy to waste time posting because they don't think their opinion matters because of how we were all tossed into PVE.

#PropisitionPVPServersUnited

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tek1nig wrote: »

dblazen1 wrote: »

@orinj There's a reason why PvP servers were more dead than PvE servers and mergers had to happen.
Give that some thought and let it sink in, what it will do when you turn PvE servers into PvP ones?

PVP server players have more fun with the game

Some of your guys' arguments are lacking data (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ ​​

How about make all the servers pvp but your not forced into pvp mode until 101+?

ninjakitchenrulr wrote: »

How about make all the servers pvp but your not forced into pvp mode until 101+?

I like this idea a LOT. It gets rid of the silly idea that people seem to have that we only want a pvp server to 'hunt lowbies' (what a boring thing to do.)

I would like to expand upon this idea however and say that we make ALL servers PVP. After level 30 you can choose between pvp/pve mode untill you hit SECOND reawaken level 100 where you are locked into pvp mode forever

lastthoghts wrote: »

Out of due respect, why is it that plans for PVP server is only consider now when such decision should of been made back before servers were merged even then none of the player base had say in that matter much-less

+100000000000
No one asked any opinion about server combinations when the merge was about to happen.
No one asked us if we want to keep pvp/pve servers at all.
No one provided any reasons why servers were merged this way and not another. The only reason was made by players and that was: "to balance xNW, so that all servers could have approximately equal number". How did it end? It still was horribly unbalanced. Okay, we managed to fit in somehow and to have fun, but now they took away xNW too
This means whole merge was pointless and removing pvp servers from game completely reasonless.

What especially amazing is:

orinj wrote: »

Would you guys be interested in a no-holds barred, PVP server? Sounds crazy, right? And what do I mean by no-holds barred: no GM presence, no GM help, just player vs. player, in an "unregulated" server

Does it really sound crazy to you? We had it for 7 years, untill merge that happened less than a year ago And yes, it sounds like home.

So now you wanna force others to play your way instead?

It wasn't our way O__o It was a way provided by PWI, and we chose it, and then it was taken away. You sound like we should be happy with whatever devs/GMs are cooking for us, but why? Are you a person without any preferences? Do you obidiently like or dislike what you are told to like or dislike? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. I can't cast a spell and magically love another way of playing the game
I would understand if there was a solid valid reason to remove pvp servers and it proved to be good, but as we see it proved nothing and now it's simply nonexistent.


UPD. Forgot to add what event I like. I liked cross server Nation Wars Despair and hopelessness, right? ​​

nbreaking wrote: »

"I have more fun with PvP in a PvP server" and "PvP server players have more fun with the game" are 2 different statements.

If they turn the servers to PvP most people will quit like "your" ppl quit when they got changed to PvE. So, you've seen what happens when you get changed from the environment you know to one you don't want first hand, however you want to do that to everyone else.

The PvPers left when they got turned into PvE, now, let's turn all servers to PvP so that all the PvErs leave and then the game dies because both PvPers and PvErs left, genius.

I agree they should have just merged the 2 PvP servers and be done with it, it was the most stupid move in PWE's history not only to merge the PvP servers into PvE but also about Harshlands+Morai. However, it's done and there's no going back.

I honestly don't understand why PvPers have such a problem with PvE servers (apart from glitches like RW for example). Or better yet, I do understand... I understand your problem is that you can't kill lowbies and undergeared people. You can't rpk someone just because they disagree with your opinion. You can't halt someone's progress because you just don't like them.
That's your problem, not that there isn't pvp, but that you can't kill people just because you want to. If you want PvP, there's always some at west or silver pool, oh, but wait, there you'd have to pvp against other people who also want to PvP and have the gear to do so, and ofc, you're not interested in that because you can't harass​​ them right?

"OMG, you talked trash about me!!!!!! Let me kill your pixels over and over >:O I'm such a big bad boy ain't I?"

+ 10000
This is exactly what I think.

I understand the PVPrs rage about being put on a PVE server but that gives them no right to force other people to play the way they want.

ninjakitchenrulr wrote: »

How about make all the servers pvp but your not forced into pvp mode until 101+?

The problem is not only about low levels being pked by players 100+, is more about a gear issue.
Just yesterday I saw 2 white name players dead on that area where you do the new monkey king quest, those players were not from tw faction and no r9, just some average g16 bad refined players.

Believe it or not there are people max geared that enjoy killing undergeared players, that primal caravan quest is an example, and no, they don't kill them on the AOE by accident, sometimes they are just camping the caravan and some low geared person enters the map to do the other quest, and the pker just tab them and 1-shot just for the lulz. I even saw some troll pking people at that quest ''This war O'mine''

Of course not all people rage about it on world chat and not all can be killed since most are blue named, so is not really a know issue but it happens more often than what you may think.


In my opinion PWE should never had merged pvp server into a pve one. What they should really do is make another server and give the chance to all the players from those old pvp servers to go there (server transfer).

@orinj
An idea that has always been on my head about a PVP event, but that probably will never see the light due the amount of code/time needed to do is:

A big or mid size map, something like momaganon, morai or primal maybe but totally pvp oriented.

- This hypothetical place could be open all day (just like those maps) so you can enter whenever you want or can.

- All the people that enter on this map is automatically on pvp mode (something like nw or tw).

- There could be a couple of small towns inside the map that are no PK (safe zones), those areas would be the spawn points and have some npcs like banker, mailbox, apothecary, etc..

- This map could have bosses inside which are extremely powerful and can be linked to some sort of pvp event (ideas welcome ).

- There could be some sort of PK ranking related to that place.

- The map could have diferent areas oriented to diferent kind of PKrs, maybe one area is some sort kill safe (no drops like nw), while other areas could be more dangerous but with rewards based on the number of kills or something.

- There could even be some sort of realms(something like primal history mode). Those realms could be based on the level of the players, their gear or whatever.

- There could be some kind of alliance this of course totally unrelated to factions, something more like the morai order.

Of course this is just an idea that I had since long time ago, and as I said before I see it almost impossible to become real on this game, but maybe you or someone else can at least get something useful from it.