Can we just get rid of the Endless Universe for the bh100?
cyberomega45
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In the past 6 days we have had 5 EUs for bh100. Today is the 4th day in a row. EU would not be as bad if you could reenter if you accidentally forgot to pick up the bh, but if you forget to pick up the bh, you are pretty much screwed for that day. My wife was in an EU earlier and they were successful in doing the relay race, but when the lead tried to turn in the quest to start the next phase, the NPC was not activated and nothing anyone did in squad could fix it. They even tried to restart the relay, but nothing happened. So because of EU glitching and because you cannot reenter once you leave, 10 people did not get bh credit. Either get rid of EU as a bh100 or make it where people can go back in if they still have the toxin. Trying to send support a ticket in regards to changing EU does no good.
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Endless Universe as a BH is not a problem ... the problem is 1 entry per day.
I do believe that if it is a BH then you should be able to reenter. PWI should increase the number of entries per day, or they should do the following ...
While the BH quest is in your quest list, and not completed, then it should be made possible for that char to enter and leave EU an unlimited number of times. Once the quest is complete then entry could be denied.
The solution of making unlimited entry while the quest is not complete would solve the problem 100%, and it would prevent people spamming the instance (which appears to be PWI's intention)0 -
PWI should just remove the entrance limit, even if ppl could enter an unlimited amount of times per day. EU is not really an instance that will be spam farmed. Beyond that the instance still has a secondary soft limit of once per day entrance with the tuc su toxin which is required to enter.0
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I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.0 -
I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.
http://w2i.wanmei.com/news/bulletin/20150804/75030.shtml
The translator does way worse job than generally with the site so its hard to say what they are changing as I dont speak Chinese. I am hoping they are indeed removing entrance limit and simply making reward once a day as I am understanding this. Then again might be my hope for this is clouding my judgement.0 -
FSP is easy and people are doing it daily so it so no big deal if they will replace 3-1 with BH FSP. The problem will be for people that are not yet reborned. But it would have been better if they would have replaced bh EU with FSP.
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FSP cannot be done by non-rebirthed toons, so it wouldn't be a valid choice for BH.bloodedone87 wrote: »FSP is easy and people are doing it daily so it so no big deal if they will replace 3-1 with BH FSP. The problem will be for people that are not yet reborned. But it would have been better if they would have replaced bh EU with FSP.
What about Nirvana? LOL Make the instance valid again.0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »
FSP cannot be done by non-rebirthed toons, so it wouldn't be a valid choice for BH.bloodedone87 wrote: »FSP is easy and people are doing it daily so it so no big deal if they will replace 3-1 with BH FSP. The problem will be for people that are not yet reborned. But it would have been better if they would have replaced bh EU with FSP.
What about Nirvana? LOL Make the instance valid again.
Thats why I said it will be a problem for people that arent yet rebirth. But most of the people once they hit 100 they reborn. Or they do it at 101 since it doesnt take too much time to lvl from 100 to 101. They will miss it few times untill they will get back to 100 to be able to do FSP. It all depends how much they play and how fast they get their toon back to 100.0 -
Maybe 3-1 will be for those who didn't reawaken yet, and FS for those reawakened. Or perhaps something like "Kill either Illusion Nemen Null or Tyrant Prince Mushi" much like the UCH quest for Cyrak and Miraxes.ZentVedr - Retired at last. Or am I?0
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sylenthunder wrote: »
FSP cannot be done by non-rebirthed toons, so it wouldn't be a valid choice for BH.bloodedone87 wrote: »FSP is easy and people are doing it daily so it so no big deal if they will replace 3-1 with BH FSP. The problem will be for people that are not yet reborned. But it would have been better if they would have replaced bh EU with FSP.
What about Nirvana? LOL Make the instance valid again.
If they wanna replace EU with Nirvana I am all for it.
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I put in a suggestion regarding something like this a few months ago.
In short the answer is NO, but could well be within a reach of a Fix...0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »
FSP cannot be done by non-rebirthed toons, so it wouldn't be a valid choice for BH.bloodedone87 wrote: »FSP is easy and people are doing it daily so it so no big deal if they will replace 3-1 with BH FSP. The problem will be for people that are not yet reborned. But it would have been better if they would have replaced bh EU with FSP.
What about Nirvana? LOL Make the instance valid again.
Well the TT -> FSP BH change is live on PWCN already. Chances are we are getting it too.0 -
I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.
I wonder why wanmei likes to force players to do an entire instance only for a BH quest <.< ?
I mean, I understand that some of those instances are daily so you are somehow forced to do them but what about if I have more than one lvl 100 or just dont want to do the damn fsp or eu or whatever. One of the things that I liked of the old BH's and the low-mid level ones is that I was just able to go to the Boss and kill it ignoring other bosses unless I or someone in squad need them.
After that patch almost all 100+ bhs will be full instances and one will be for reborn only
I wonder what it will be next?
BH Full Delta
BH UCH?
BH Sarokanh or whatever ?
BH Harpywraith? lololololol 0 -
I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.
I wonder why wanmei likes to force players to do an entire instance only for a BH quest <.< ?
I mean, I understand that some of those instances are daily so you are somehow forced to do them but what about if I have more than one lvl 100 or just dont want to do the damn fsp or eu or whatever. One of the things that I liked of the old BH's and the low-mid level ones is that I was just able to go to the Boss and kill it ignoring other bosses unless I or someone in squad need them.
After that patch almost all 100+ bhs will be full instances and one will be for reborn only
I wonder what it will be next?
BH Full Delta
BH UCH?
BH Sarokanh or whatever ?
BH Harpywraith? lololololol
I personally wouldnt mind doing full delta as a BH to be honest. Thats means playing the game. Not to rush to finish an instance in 5 minutes and than to go and chat in Lost City or other places. If Legion Marshal will become a BH boss I am for it. I think I am in minority but I want that boss as BH1 boss. In fact I want Twilight Minister Vacuity or Doom as Bh Bosses too. And why not Oceania Master in FC. Plus doing full delta will be a good oportunity to farm mystical tome fragments. You get 22 per run and also you get over 2 mil exp without counting the EXP you will get from finishing the BH.0 -
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bloodedone87 wrote: »I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.
I wonder why wanmei likes to force players to do an entire instance only for a BH quest <.< ?
I mean, I understand that some of those instances are daily so you are somehow forced to do them but what about if I have more than one lvl 100 or just dont want to do the damn fsp or eu or whatever. One of the things that I liked of the old BH's and the low-mid level ones is that I was just able to go to the Boss and kill it ignoring other bosses unless I or someone in squad need them.
After that patch almost all 100+ bhs will be full instances and one will be for reborn only
I wonder what it will be next?
BH Full Delta
BH UCH?
BH Sarokanh or whatever ?
BH Harpywraith? lololololol
I personally wouldnt mind doing full delta as a BH to be honest. Thats means playing the game. Not to rush to finish an instance in 5 minutes and than to go and chat in Lost City or other places. If Legion Marshal will become a BH boss I am for it. I think I am in minority but I want that boss as BH1 boss. In fact I want Twilight Minister Vacuity or Doom as Bh Bosses too. And why not Oceania Master in FC. Plus doing full delta will be a good oportunity to farm mystical tome fragments. You get 22 per run and also you get over 2 mil exp without counting the EXP you will get from finishing the BH.
How about no?
Playing the game i agree but BH 1 for a full GV run is insane. not only because i hate that instance it takes forever to do it (it feels like forever) even when you kill everything at spawnpoint.
Just such a boring instance and i do not want to force myself in there to get mysterious chips.
I skip EU and AEU already because i cannot stand these instances and for just chips im not going in there.
I would love to see EU go for something like Lunar but everything else which takes longer then maybe 20-30min is too long for a BH.
a BH is just what it is: go in there, kill your target and move along.
a BH is not: go in there, clear the whole instance and kill the very last boss which requires you to kill so many waves of bosses and monsters before it.
thats just stupid.
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bloodedone87 wrote: »I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.
I wonder why wanmei likes to force players to do an entire instance only for a BH quest <.< ?
I mean, I understand that some of those instances are daily so you are somehow forced to do them but what about if I have more than one lvl 100 or just dont want to do the damn fsp or eu or whatever. One of the things that I liked of the old BH's and the low-mid level ones is that I was just able to go to the Boss and kill it ignoring other bosses unless I or someone in squad need them.
After that patch almost all 100+ bhs will be full instances and one will be for reborn only
I wonder what it will be next?
BH Full Delta
BH UCH?
BH Sarokanh or whatever ?
BH Harpywraith? lololololol
I personally wouldnt mind doing full delta as a BH to be honest. Thats means playing the game. Not to rush to finish an instance in 5 minutes and than to go and chat in Lost City or other places. If Legion Marshal will become a BH boss I am for it. I think I am in minority but I want that boss as BH1 boss. In fact I want Twilight Minister Vacuity or Doom as Bh Bosses too. And why not Oceania Master in FC. Plus doing full delta will be a good oportunity to farm mystical tome fragments. You get 22 per run and also you get over 2 mil exp without counting the EXP you will get from finishing the BH.
How about no?
Playing the game i agree but BH 1 for a full GV run is insane. not only because i hate that instance it takes forever to do it (it feels like forever) even when you kill everything at spawnpoint.
Just such a boring instance and i do not want to force myself in there to get mysterious chips.
I skip EU and AEU already because i cannot stand these instances and for just chips im not going in there.
I would love to see EU go for something like Lunar but everything else which takes longer then maybe 20-30min is too long for a BH.
a BH is just what it is: go in there, kill your target and move along.
a BH is not: go in there, clear the whole instance and kill the very last boss which requires you to kill so many waves of bosses and monsters before it.
thats just stupid.
Oh so your just lazy. No one is forcing you to do it. Full Delta is very easy to do. Just takes time.
Also EU and AEU are very easy to do. But people are too damn stupid to follow some damn instructions.
The fact that you hate it doesnt mean we all feel the same.
This is a matter of preferance here. I wouldnt mind full delta bh .you are against it.
But you can sleep well at night. The chances for Bh full delta are very small to happen.
What happend to the times were people really played the game? It seems that now they want to rush everything to just go and chat in Lost City or talk **** in wc.0 -
Full RB takes 2 hours to run minimum. I'd really rather not spend 2 hours just to get chips most days. Especially considering that FSP takes 60 minutes at most (unless you're in a really bad squad), and profit from FSP is a mil three quarters. A fast squad can run FSP in 20 minutes. If you use the same ratio, with minimum times, that would make a full RB need to be worth about 10 mil to be worth doing.My mains:
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I wouldn't mind if they add lunar as a bh again just lower the fee a little bit. I had a bad run myself last night it took 1 hour to complete the relay race, I had constant d/c and at the fact people kept going in and out of afk.The only GOP0
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torquoisegamer wrote: »Full RB takes 2 hours to run minimum. I'd really rather not spend 2 hours just to get chips most days. Especially considering that FSP takes 60 minutes at most (unless you're in a really bad squad), and profit from FSP is a mil three quarters. A fast squad can run FSP in 20 minutes. If you use the same ratio, with minimum times, that would make a full RB need to be worth about 10 mil to be worth doing.
Relax yourself . We wont get Full Delta BH.0 -
bloodedone87 wrote: »I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.
I wonder why wanmei likes to force players to do an entire instance only for a BH quest <.< ?
I mean, I understand that some of those instances are daily so you are somehow forced to do them but what about if I have more than one lvl 100 or just dont want to do the damn fsp or eu or whatever. One of the things that I liked of the old BH's and the low-mid level ones is that I was just able to go to the Boss and kill it ignoring other bosses unless I or someone in squad need them.
After that patch almost all 100+ bhs will be full instances and one will be for reborn only
I wonder what it will be next?
BH Full Delta
BH UCH?
BH Sarokanh or whatever ?
BH Harpywraith? lololololol
I personally wouldnt mind doing full delta as a BH to be honest. Thats means playing the game. Not to rush to finish an instance in 5 minutes and than to go and chat in Lost City or other places. If Legion Marshal will become a BH boss I am for it. I think I am in minority but I want that boss as BH1 boss. In fact I want Twilight Minister Vacuity or Doom as Bh Bosses too. And why not Oceania Master in FC. Plus doing full delta will be a good oportunity to farm mystical tome fragments. You get 22 per run and also you get over 2 mil exp without counting the EXP you will get from finishing the BH.
Mmm I don't think is about being lazy or going to chat. In fact im not one of those people that make drama on wc or go afk all day on south archo. But im a person that try to use my in-game time on an efficient way while having fun.
I do Understand that there are people like you that may like doing a full instance for a bh and I respect that, However I think that if you consider all things you have to do just with one level 100+ toon, things like: FSP, daily morai/primal/base, farming instances (if you do) like warsong or tt, PV, etc, etc. and if at the end you have a bh, and to do it you have to do like 4 or five bosses just to get there is anoying, this even worse if you can only enter once per day and or the thing fails or you need a 10 people squad and alf of that people are **** or trolls who go on suicide rampage on bosses that are not even hard to kill if they use their brains.
This is even worse if you have multiple level 100, and let's face it, most of people on this game are old players with an army of alts...
Just like razzzza said on the post above:
''a BH is just what it is: go in there, kill your target and move along''
I honestly have no problem if there is one or two long BHs. But if every single one will be a complex and long instance it will be pain.0 -
They should implement some sort of "list".
Lemme explain.
Right now you go to the BH NPC and take a single BH quest that it's random.
But what it you could chose from a list of various bosses? The harder the boss/instance is, the greater the reward. tt3.1 would be pretty low on the list (because I'm sure 99% of the lvl100 toons could solo it), while something like EU and AEU would give more. And naturally, add more bosses for more variety.
This would give people a choice. Who wants a quick bh, can go with something low on the list (but get less), and who wants a challenge, can go with harder stuff (and get more)0 -
ailiadrake wrote: »They should implement some sort of "list".
Lemme explain.
Right now you go to the BH NPC and take a single BH quest that it's random.
But what it you could chose from a list of various bosses? The harder the boss/instance is, the greater the reward. tt3.1 would be pretty low on the list (because I'm sure 99% of the lvl100 toons could solo it), while something like EU and AEU would give more. And naturally, add more bosses for more variety.
This would give people a choice. Who wants a quick bh, can go with something low on the list (but get less), and who wants a challenge, can go with harder stuff (and get more)
This is a good idea. Unfortunatelly the ones that makes the decisions are in China and I doubt they see and read this forum to implement in game what are you suggesting.0 -
bloodedone87 wrote: »ailiadrake wrote: »They should implement some sort of "list".
Lemme explain.
Right now you go to the BH NPC and take a single BH quest that it's random.
But what it you could chose from a list of various bosses? The harder the boss/instance is, the greater the reward. tt3.1 would be pretty low on the list (because I'm sure 99% of the lvl100 toons could solo it), while something like EU and AEU would give more. And naturally, add more bosses for more variety.
This would give people a choice. Who wants a quick bh, can go with something low on the list (but get less), and who wants a challenge, can go with harder stuff (and get more)
This is a good idea. Unfortunatelly the ones that makes the decisions are in China and I doubt they see and read this forum to implement in game what are you suggesting.
To be honest, the suggestion is kind of mixed, considering none of the bosses in the game are considerably hard to begin with, people would just constantly take the "hardest" one to get the best possible reward...
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ailiadrake wrote: »They should implement some sort of "list".
Lemme explain.
Right now you go to the BH NPC and take a single BH quest that it's random.
But what it you could chose from a list of various bosses? The harder the boss/instance is, the greater the reward. tt3.1 would be pretty low on the list (because I'm sure 99% of the lvl100 toons could solo it), while something like EU and AEU would give more. And naturally, add more bosses for more variety.
This would give people a choice. Who wants a quick bh, can go with something low on the list (but get less), and who wants a challenge, can go with harder stuff (and get more)
Random? We now have another day of bh EU, this makes the 5th day in a row and 6 in 7 days. Bleh0 -
bloodedone87 wrote: »I had heard China recently implemented a fix in which the toxin does not get consumed until you kill the final boss. So we have another good 3-6 months of QQ'ing left. Then again this is the same patch that also replaces BH TT 3-1 with FSP so ....meh.
I do miss the old school bh 100's with wave 4 and lunar.
I wonder why wanmei likes to force players to do an entire instance only for a BH quest <.< ?
I mean, I understand that some of those instances are daily so you are somehow forced to do them but what about if I have more than one lvl 100 or just dont want to do the damn fsp or eu or whatever. One of the things that I liked of the old BH's and the low-mid level ones is that I was just able to go to the Boss and kill it ignoring other bosses unless I or someone in squad need them.
After that patch almost all 100+ bhs will be full instances and one will be for reborn only
I wonder what it will be next?
BH Full Delta
BH UCH?
BH Sarokanh or whatever ?
BH Harpywraith? lololololol
I personally wouldnt mind doing full delta as a BH to be honest. Thats means playing the game. Not to rush to finish an instance in 5 minutes and than to go and chat in Lost City or other places. If Legion Marshal will become a BH boss I am for it. I think I am in minority but I want that boss as BH1 boss. In fact I want Twilight Minister Vacuity or Doom as Bh Bosses too. And why not Oceania Master in FC. Plus doing full delta will be a good oportunity to farm mystical tome fragments. You get 22 per run and also you get over 2 mil exp without counting the EXP you will get from finishing the BH.
I just went back over this. I know they will not do a 2 hour bh, but I like a fast bh. With what I do daily in game, I don't have time to do a 1 to 2 hour bh (Note: sometimes the Locan scenario for AEU can take time, depending on the group). Also, what is wrong with people wanting to just chat in the game? Each day I do my bh1 and bh2, all morai including Jintao, marriage quests, all primal dailies, then FSP. During this time I am also talking in faction chat. I play this game to relax since I work at least 8 hours a day.
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ailiadrake wrote: »They should implement some sort of "list".
I really like this idea!...people would just constantly take the "hardest" one to get the best possible reward...
Personally I would choose one that balances speed and reward, because..cyberomega45 wrote: »...I play this game to relax since I work at least 8 hours a day.
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Most want fast BH to run with their many, many alts. Then discussions like this emerge.
My only frustration with EU and AEU (or long runs in general) is people not knowing what to do or being too unprepared (pill babies, undergeared), when not afk (usually on alt/main), to run that instance and end up being a risk for the rest of the squad.
People fail to have patience in so many levels.ZentVedr - Retired at last. Or am I?0 -
konataizumichan wrote: »ailiadrake wrote: »They should implement some sort of "list".
I really like this idea!...people would just constantly take the "hardest" one to get the best possible reward...
Personally I would choose one that balances speed and reward, because..cyberomega45 wrote: »...I play this game to relax since I work at least 8 hours a day.
My point was more towards who considers what to be hard?
Just because an instance CAN be time consuming (read; warsong you need to wait forever to be able to go to snakefist, EU / AEU are dependent on the squad you're with)
Doesn't mean they are hard though.
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