New ban policy

zoner112012

What is funny is...i know for a fact that a person was sharing an account just the other day. I reported the time and day of the account sharing and a GM i will not name told me it wasnt true. It is amusing since this is the same GM that basically threatened me by saying he would NOT take action against me for speaking against PWE on world chat that someone reported me for (an offense not even against ToS) Sadly as I have said before there is NO GM accountability. Good luck with your problem. You could try talking to sparkiesoft if he is even still around but i highly doubt that you will ever fully resolve ur issue.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

I'm going to say straight up, I mostly scanned/read the OP's post and the first page, and ignored most everything after that.

Question for the OP though, what in the world makes you think this is a new policy?
Account sharing has been prohibited since 2008. The standard punishment for it was most commonly an IP ban on the harsh side, with week/month account bans to involved parties on the lenient side.

On the flip side though, history shows that those who spend a lot of money on the game tend to get the bans removed after some discussion.

Roeham - Archosaur

i think the bigger problem with this policy is they need to look at if the person is a faction leader, when banning a person it shouldnt affect 100-200 other ppls game and this has happend before on this server and the GM wouldnt even listen to what anyone said. to ban someone should only affect the person being banned not an entire faction.

eeepsilon

Astro_Menace - Archosaur wrote: »

You guys have not pointed out where it says you will be banned. both those say that the person who created the account must report misuse, it does not say that GM's will ban you if they suspect multiple people are using the account. It says if someone you don't want using the account is using it then let us know and we the password can be changed. According to those sections I am responsible for what others do with my account, which to me means that I can let them use it if i choose to, if i don't want them using it then I need to change the password.

Although it does state
"Please note that regardless of any notice, we reserve the right to discontinue the Service or to terminate or suspend your Account at any time in our sole discretion, for any reason, or for no reason."

Which means that we really do not ave any control over our accounts and GM's can do what ever they want. So I guess we just have to keep playing and hope we dont get on the bad side of any GM's.

As other guy stated on a previous page of this thread, Arc TOS Stated

Barbski - Archosaur wrote: »

most of you are missing the point. the problem is not the offense. people are unbanned every day for the same offense because of extenuating circumstances (family) and other evidence that any reasonable arbiter would take into consideration because ... you know, this is a video game, not a court of law.

the problem is that the particular gm in question is following entirely different protocol from gm's handeling identical cases as I write this. that disparity is a massive problem, and it cracks me up how predictable and myopic some of your responses are. "just don't break the ToS." lol. foolish.

This true but you are also missing something:
Some Cash shop players use credit card, part of the credit card info is stored on the arc account. Cash shopers that share account with lets say ''his in-game buddy'' are plain idiots
and gms that take the ''normal'' path also are not so smarts

A common video game could end in a court of law if lets say there is credit card fraud..

toraah wrote: »

The fact that the fate of players accounts depends on what GM responds to their ticket is appalling. The majority of players that respond with "oh well, that's what you get for account sharing" have most likely done it in the past and care not, until something unfortunate happens to them.

This is also true.
I play on the Archosaur server and I can say that the OP statement is true. Most of the people share accounts.

Howerver lets be honest here. Just as you said most of the players give that answer on any situation related to scam, account steal/share, lost of items, etc. they usually even defend the scammers.

Lets not forget that every time that some one get his/her account/items stolen, all those powerfull rrr9 players from the big tw (all factions) start making drama and flame the victim. And whats even worse, some time they embrace the offender because it is a friend or a good addition to their faction. Only when the situation occurs to them there are hackers, scammers or bad GMS....

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm going to say straight up, I mostly scanned/read the OP's post and the first page, and ignored most everything after that.

Question for the OP though, what in the world makes you think this is a new policy?
Account sharing has been prohibited since 2008. The standard punishment for it was most commonly an IP ban on the harsh side, with week/month account bans to involved parties on the lenient side.

On the flip side though, history shows that those who spend a lot of money on the game tend to get the bans removed after some discussion.

I have not heard of a single ban that has been caused by account sharing till last week. And I do hear quite a bit. Archosaur is a small server, people talk and so on. If PWE wants to start enforcing this rule, so be it, there just happens to be ways of doing it w/o killing the playerbase with permabans.

Barbski - Archosaur

eeepsilon wrote: »

This true but you are also missing something:
Some Cash shop players use credit card, part of the credit card info is stored on the arc account. Cash shopers that share account with lets say ''his in-game buddy'' are plain idiots
and gms that take the ''normal'' path also are not so smarts

A common video game could end in a court of law if lets say there is credit card fraud..

you raise a valid point for why PWI would want to enforce the rule, however it's not pertinent to the OP's concern for two reasons.

1) fraud couldn't happen through arc alone, more would have to transpire, and at the fault of the individual. pwi would not be liable in that case. but that's still besides the issue.

2) again, the actual ban isn't the problem. the problem is the gm in question is not doing their job and mediating the case, they are dismissing it altogether, and against all evidence to the contrary.

identical cases are being remitted as we speak; those accounts are unbanned for the same offense because they got gm's who actually evaluated the owner's case and considered the evidence that supported their claim.

the OP is talking about a situation in which the GM is not extending that basic right (which is stipulated in ToS) to a paying customer. if you don't think that's a problem, I've got some bad news.




here's a final scenario for you. imagine you're a TW leader of a major TW faction.

let's say an emergency arises, or for whatever reason you cannot be present to bid for TW or fulflil any other responsibility that is both imminent and exclusive to the leader (you know, some of us have real lives), so you consent to letting a family member with a different IP log and take care of that concern for you.

right off the bat, you're already more susceptible to being hate-targetted with reports from spiteful individuals because you're a TW leader of a major faction.

if that leaders gets banned for account sharing, are we really going to say, "tough luck for them and the 150 members of that faction, their fault they got reported. " -- yep, good thing that leader was made an example of. that person who specifically reported the leader, yep, they were just being a good samaritan and really looking out for the interest of the server, to, you know, protect it from such criminal activity as account sharing. I know you guys are smarter than that.

but once again, refer back to the crux of the issue:

proski wrote:

2) again, the actual ban isn't the problem. the problem is the gm in question is not doing their job and mediating the case, they are dismissing it altogether, and against all evidence to the contrary.

identical cases are being remitted as we speak; those accounts are unbanned for the same offense because they got gm's who actually evaluated the owner's case and considered the evidence that supported their claim.

ovenusarmanio

This has always been the case and pops up from time to time. You'll just need to keep up with the ticket conversation. As for the ban being discussed, that's not allowed on the forums. So I'm going to close this.