Are your credit cards maxed?

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

Bellicious - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How about this?

When they port this to a new engine that supports DX11 and multi core rendering I will give PWE some money.

The fact is they don't deserve my money. They have not updated their game with content which isn't cash based in how long?... Ever? :P

Their customer support is going down the toilet. They wont even replace peoples mistakenly made wrong class r9 rings... Come on now.. that's just low. This game's F2P model is to sell to the 10% of cash whales that spend a truckload of money on here rather than aim for the higher percentage with lower cashing per person.

You have to spend money to use global chat... The best gear costs $1500 without a sale and still you need to upgrade that with over $1000 more worth of refines to even start competing with the current VISA swipe champions. Everything in this game requires money. Worst... F2P Model.... Ever.

Not worth your money, don't give it to them. Don't buy into the power creep this game is ruled by. Spend your money on a beastly computer and play another MMO. This one is not worth it.

I don't mind the current engine. I've tried a few 'new' MMOs and find the graphics horribly over-done. I love the graphics in PW. It is in my opinion a beautifully rendered game. Its not so much to be distracting, and its just enough to be pleasing on the eyes. Plus those that don't have beastly computers can still run it.

R9rr isn't necessary unless you want to go PvP. +5 T3 which is easily farmable is fine for 100% of the content of the game and endgame, even for most TW factions and being that it shows you play on Dreamweaver which is a PvE server, I'm sure its the same as RT. The PvP scene is nothing more than a bunch of sniveling button mashing pro elitist desk chair cowboys that have probably not taken a breath of fresh air in years.

And while yes, I have an R9rr seeker that I cash shopped to +10a/+12w, all my T3 characters do fine in any of the PvE content. I'm also a purely PvE player. I have no interest in PvP, even when I get asked to join a TW faction. Only time I do anything close to PvP is NW and even my T3 characters can still get 150 to 250 tokens depending on the placement of the nation I'm in. As for my computer, its already beastly. It can run any current game on the highest settings with ease.

Remember too the content has to come from China, not PWE. That's not their fault since they are just licensing the rights to publish the game. As for customer support, I personally have never had an issue with them. The few tickets I have sent in the past five years, as I have stated before in other threads, have been answered and taken care of within the same day, to at most a week. I've never had a problem with support. Remember there are two sides to every story and more than likely quite a few of the complaints on the forums are 'stretched truths' or downright lies. Then there are the problems that people cause themselves due to being inattentive, which seems to consist of the majority of problems people have. I've never bought the wrong skills. I've never made the wrong rings. I've never made the wrong armor, or weapons, etc, but then again I pay attention to what I am doing. It isn't PWE's fault people are in such a hurry that they don't pay attention to what they are doing. Now the only fault I can point towards, is with ring making, the only option should be making a class specific ring for the class you play, but since there is not one, people need to watch closely to what they are doing. You would think people would since others have made such a silly mistake.

Other than the occasional DC, I don't have any issue with the supposed lag, constant crashes, etc that is PWE's 'fault'

Now granted some of the bugs I agree should be fixed in a more timely fashion, but so far none have affected my game-play. I trudge right along, and enjoy my time playing PW. Even on my lvl 100 RB SB I have fun. The skills will come in time, same for the endgame weapons, though I'm a very patient person. My real life is way too busy and tiring to worry about whats in or not in the game yet.

eirghan

passionateone wrote: »

You could of been anything but you chose to be salty.
The saltiness is real

Where is the salt? Out of all of the flavours you chose to be baity. Gowai troll

eirghan

Lets keep this on track. We have 100 other threads to discuss if pw is a worthy mmo or notb:surrender

Bellicious - Dreamweaver

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »

I don't mind the current engine. I've tried a few 'new' MMOs and find the graphics horribly over-done. I love the graphics in PW. It is in my opinion a beautifully rendered game. Its not so much to be distracting, and its just enough to be pleasing on the eyes. Plus those that don't have beastly computers can still run it.

R9rr isn't necessary unless you want to go PvP. +5 T3 which is easily farmable is fine for 100% of the content of the game and endgame, even for most TW factions and being that it shows you play on Dreamweaver which is a PvE server, I'm sure its the same as RT. The PvP scene is nothing more than a bunch of sniveling button mashing pro elitist desk chair cowboys that have probably not taken a breath of fresh air in years.

And while yes, I have an R9rr seeker that I cash shopped to +10a/+12w, all my T3 characters do fine in any of the PvE content. I'm also a purely PvE player. I have no interest in PvP, even when I get asked to join a TW faction. Only time I do anything close to PvP is NW and even my T3 characters can still get 150 to 250 tokens depending on the placement of the nation I'm in. As for my computer, its already beastly. It can run any current game on the highest settings with ease.

Remember too the content has to come from China, not PWE. That's not their fault since they are just licensing the rights to publish the game. As for customer support, I personally have never had an issue with them. The few tickets I have sent in the past five years, as I have stated before in other threads, have been answered and taken care of within the same day, to at most a week. I've never had a problem with support. Remember there are two sides to every story and more than likely quite a few of the complaints on the forums are 'stretched truths' or downright lies. Then there are the problems that people cause themselves due to being inattentive, which seems to consist of the majority of problems people have. I've never bought the wrong skills. I've never made the wrong rings. I've never made the wrong armor, or weapons, etc, but then again I pay attention to what I am doing. It isn't PWE's fault people are in such a hurry that they don't pay attention to what they are doing. Now the only fault I can point towards, is with ring making, the only option should be making a class specific ring for the class you play, but since there is not one, people need to watch closely to what they are doing. You would think people would since others have made such a silly mistake.

Other than the occasional DC, I don't have any issue with the supposed lag, constant crashes, etc that is PWE's 'fault'

Now granted some of the bugs I agree should be fixed in a more timely fashion, but so far none have affected my game-play. I trudge right along, and enjoy my time playing PW. Even on my lvl 100 RB SB I have fun. The skills will come in time, same for the endgame weapons, though I'm a very patient person. My real life is way too busy and tiring to worry about whats in or not in the game yet.

End game gear should be attainable without the need to cash or spend 3 years farming/merchanting. You should not need to settle on lower than end game gear in a MMO. That's just stupid.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

eirghan wrote: »

Where is the salt? Out of all of the flavours you chose to be baity. Gowai troll

If you call out someone on two separate threads as someone who is living beyond their means, i.e. a dumb casher, expect them to be annoyed about it, and it's actually refreshing to see they have replied both times saying you're just being salty rather than lock horns and cause drama over it. Also interesting how you stated you used to be a cashshopper but then decided to edit that out, on your own thread where you're asking people to come forward about their cashshopping. The irony. Anyway, not my issue nor concern.

From what I've seen there are four types of players with r9rr/endgame gear. Heavy, Medium and Casual cashshoppers, and F2P merchants or farmers. (Warning: massive generalisations incoming, so don't get butthurt not aimed at any individual(s))

Heavy cashshoppers are very rare (1% or less of server playerbase), they are the type to spend $30k-$50k sometimes even higher, this isn't a credit card thing, no credit company would allow such credit limits unless they have the means to pay it off, i.e. are wealthy/uber rich irl. The usual characteristics with these kind of players is that they just want the best gear in the game possible and have the means to cash for it, are usually pretty quiet and reserved and just get on with the game and attract a lot of haters and a lot of fans/gold diggers/chicks that want dat cash.

Medium cashshoppers spend about $2k-$5k get r9rr +11 few josd here there average S cards etc. They are the most likely to be either in the red, credit card wise, or have semi decent jobs and can afford to spend $500 or more a month on the game. Unfortunately this group contains the minority subset of butthurt rage people that QQ about the heavy cashshoppers, or anyone they deem to be a heavy cashshopper and usually the reason for the hate is because they cannot afford to cash as much a heavy cashshopper can, they claim they wouldn't spend that much money on the game, but if they had that kind of money they would, they don't hence the QQ. Also the category which unfortunately contains the most ego/epeen issues. Again not aimed at anyone, merely a generalisation from what I've seen. (could explain your 'saltiness' towards that veno with creation stones maybe?)

Casual cashshoppers are the ones that spend under $500 in total, they usually just sell the gold on the AH or buy weird things like veno pets b:shocked or cash a little to start their merch fund. Usually end up with r9rr at some point with decent refines and immacs, mostly farmed, lightly merchanted are proud of what they got, and indifferent to people with better gears.

Completely F2P people are either pro merchants, dedicated farmers, a mixture, or totally PvE and still rocking G15 gears. Merchants love cashshoppers of all kinds, they provide them with gold, that they in turn merchant for profit and can accumulate wealth to improve their own gears, usually have zero butthurt towards people with better gear as they know that for them to catch up it's only a matter of time and patience and a nice target to drive towards.

Apologies if I offended anyone, especially the OP, it's just annoying to see people post bait and then when the person it's indirectly aimed at responds, the OP responds by calling them a troll.

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

Bellicious - Dreamweaver wrote: »

End game gear should be attainable without the need to cash or spend 3 years farming/merchanting. You should not need to settle on lower than end game gear in a MMO. That's just stupid.

Then I question why you play PW since you sound so jaded.

Even as a R9rr seeker, I still get obliterated by some in NW that have better card sets, full +12 refines, and JoSD shards. Some of those players I can barely tickle with a +12 Samsara. It happens. They are much better geared than I am. They merched/farmed/CSed their items more than I. So be it. Its the nature of how this game is set up, and I'm fine with that, even when I NW on one of my T3 characters.

And I have a great friend in my faction that in less than a year farmed his full R9rr gear/weapon and +8 to 10 refined everything. He spent no RL money doing it. It was his goal and he did it. So 3 years it does not take. Take advantage of what PWE puts in front of you and instead of complaining that R9rr is expensive, work for it for free.

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Heavy cashshoppers are very rare (1% or less of server playerbase), they are the type to spend $30k-$50k sometimes even higher, this isn't a credit card thing, no credit company would allow such credit limits unless they have the means to pay it off, i.e. are wealthy/uber rich irl. The usual characteristics with these kind of players is that they just want the best gear in the game possible and have the means to cash for it, are usually pretty quiet and reserved and just get on with the game and attract a lot of haters and a lot of fans/gold diggers/chicks that want dat cash.

Medium cashshoppers spend about $2k-$5k get r9rr +11 few josd here there average S cards etc. They are the most likely to be either in the red, credit card wise, or have semi decent jobs and can afford to spend $500 or more a month on the game. Unfortunately this group contains the minority subset of butthurt rage people that QQ about the heavy cashshoppers, or anyone they deem to be a heavy cashshopper and usually the reason for the hate is because they cannot afford to cash as much a heavy cashshopper can, they claim they wouldn't spend that much money on the game, but if they had that kind of money they would, they don't hence the QQ. Also the category which unfortunately contains the most ego/epeen issues. Again not aimed at anyone, merely a generalisation from what I've seen. (could explain your 'saltiness' towards that veno with creation stones maybe?)

To some degree I can see your points on these two. Falling somewhere in between the two, I can say that I spend easily within my means, but also don't think any game is worth spending $30k+ no matter how much I enjoy it, or even if its easily affordable for me to do so. I'm perfectly content with the gear my main has, and my lvl 100+ alts have. The reason is, the game has a finite lifespan. If it were to last another 10 or 20 years, have a more in tune support staff, a much larger player base, etc, then sure, it would be a hobby I would spend a lot more on than I do, but thinking the plug could be pulled tomorrow, next year, two years from now, then no, its not worth spending that kind of money on. Was it worth the money I have spent thus far? Maybe, maybe not, but I don't miss the money I've spent, considering the amount of hours I have played the game.

However, if someone wants to spend $100k on the game, and has the means to do so, who am I to complain? Its none of my business, and I personally feel they should be able to flatten me like a pancake in NW with barely batting an eyelash. I have no qualms against extreme cash shoppers. All power to them.

PS no offense taken btw b:victory

Zoldi - Morai

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »

And I have a great friend in my faction that in less than a year farmed his full R9rr gear/weapon and +8 to 10 refined everything. He spent no RL money doing it. It was his goal and he did it. So 3 years it does not take.

Of course this is do-able ! But by definition you can't say that you need X months/years to farm R9.3 anyway.
Nobody needs the same time and anyway everybody doesn't farm the same way (not the same items I mean). Otherwise the market would be saturated by those items and this would become useless.
This is even more true for merchanting. And luck is also a factor for both farming and merchanting.


DarkSkiesX's post is really good by the way, even if maybe too much "global".
I would also add that except maybe for those heavy cashshoppers that can spend 50k$ (I don't know any myself), I think that the richest people (in gold/coins) are usually not C$ers but merchanters

whyarcher88

Cash shoppers sucks big time in pvpb:byeb:byeb:laughb:chuckle

iperen

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

I would also add that except maybe for those heavy cashshoppers that can spend 50k$ (I don't know any myself), I think that the richest people (in gold/coins) are usually not C$ers but merchanters

Well ofc, there is no need for the C$ers to pile up a crapton of coins/gold like for merchants. They just need to have the real money at the appropriate time. It would be irrational to charge and pile up gold/coins without purpose. Charging on forehand would only limit the potential use of your money.

I don't see the link DarkSkiesx mentioned though, but like not at all. QQ just comes from ppl who like to QQ if you ask me. I always see it as a lack of self-confidence to feel that kind of urge to play a game compared to others instead of just having personal goals.

Zoldi - Morai

iperen wrote: »

Well ofc, there is no need for the C$ers to pile up a crapton of coins/gold like for merchants. They just need to have the real money at the appropriate time. It would be irrational to charge and pile up gold/coins without purpose. Charging on forehand would only limit the potential use of your money

Of course but that's not what I meant. And I'm not talking about the amount of coins/gold that merchants save up to continue merchanting.
My point was that if you're a good merchanter IG you can really get good incomes (talking only about the money that will then be used to buy R9.3/cards/...). Not a lot of people can afford to use IRL money to get this amount of money.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

.DarkSkiesX's post is really good by the way, even if maybe too much "global".
I would also add that except maybe for those heavy cashshoppers that can spend 50k$ (I don't know any myself), I think that the richest people (in gold/coins) are usually not C$ers but merchanters

I agree, one of the best geared toons on my server has accumulated the vast majority of this wealth by merching. Something like a nuema portal set is only really feasible by being one of top merchants in game or spending a small fortune to most. In either case, the player still has to be skilled and experienced at their toon, gear doesn't do everything at endgame, and I'd say both nuema portal sets on my server have a long history and knowledge of their respective classes.

iperen wrote: »

I don't see the link DarkSkiesx mentioned though, but like not at all. QQ just comes from ppl who like to QQ if you ask me. I always see it as a lack of self-confidence to feel that kind of urge to play a game compared to others instead of just having personal goals.

Yep, QQ can come from all types of players, but from what I've seen, again generalising here, the toxic/nasty QQ about cashers usually comes from others that cash but can't afford to cash as much and vent their frustration. Also stems from people that get butthurt when their pixels are harmed, and epeens trampled. Meh, it's a game, people should chill. Comparing oneself to own personal goals rather than others is a great point and hope more people would adopt this philosophy.

eirghan

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you call out someone on two separate threads as someone who is living beyond their means, i.e. a dumb casher, expect them to be annoyed about it, and it's actually refreshing to see they have replied both times saying you're just being salty rather than lock horns and cause drama over it. Also interesting how you stated you used to be a cashshopper but then decided to edit that out, on your own thread where you're asking people to come forward about their cashshopping. The irony. Anyway, not my issue nor concern.

Apologies if I offended anyone, especially the OP, it's just annoying to see people post bait and then when the person it's indirectly aimed at responds, the OP responds by calling them a troll.

I changed my response because it was an attempt to turn this thread into a discussion that is not related to the post. IE Eirghan is just QQing over cash shoppers.

Whether I am a cash shopper or not has no bearing on this thread, or anything else in forums. To add to that I've already stated in another response on this thread that I am a cash shopper. So it was uncessary to state twice. If you're saying that I removed it because I am ashamed I think you are mistaken and it's evident by my other posts that I do cash shop and I don't really care either way what people think about it.

I haven't called any person out, let alone as a dumb casher. There are many, many, MANY people on my server who cash shop and do questionable deeds for gear. I couldn't possibly be calling any one person out if I tried. And that doesn't make them a dumb casher to be doing that. It's their choice. But I was curious to see what level of people make those choices. If anything I'd say someone marrying for gear is clever indeed. Though moral-less and probably lacking in enjoyment from personal relationships.

I have no idea who the person is who is calling me salty. If this person is feeling guilty about their spending habits and they feel the need to come after me for a general statement I made about credit card spending, that's their perogative. If they are not guilty about their spending habits and are just seeing me as salty about cash shopping in gerenal they are a) sadly misinformed since I've already admitted i cash shop and b) welcome to their opinion but only as it relates to the discussion to help it along, and only insofar as they state it well with examples and conclusions. Calling names salty and attempting to make people defensive is just a waste of time in my opinion, and an attempt to make people upset/angry/bitter whatever. There is no good discussion that can come from a response like that.

eirghan

To add to that (and ill post again since people apparently get suspicious if you edit your posts) this is an anonymous poll. There's no forcing anyone to vote. There's no tracing of who is cash shopping or not. There's no judgement on a better method. It was purely curiosity.

I sometimes wonder why I am on forums if every second post someone is calling someone else something or blaming someone else for something else. The PW community sure is an uptight place...

It's just a game guys. and it's just a poll. Sorry if it seemed like I was QQing/Angry/Using information for malaligned purposes/insulting someone/claiming false facts/breaking the forum rules/Being a hypocrite/Not using capital letters in the right place b:shocked

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

One thing I've seen in this topic is what looks like an insinuation that 'worked for' gear in game via farming is better appreciated.
Cashshoppers 'work' for their gear too. They work in a real life job to earn real money, then spend it. That in itself can get tied up into semantics, but just because someone paid for gear does not imply they did not 'work for' or 'earn' it.
If anything it can mean they worked all day/week and earned the ability to buy gear and play a game they enjoy, the way they enjoy to.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

eirghan wrote: »

I have no idea who the person is who is calling me salty. If this person is feeling guilty about their spending habits and they feel the need to come after me for a general statement I made about credit card spending, that's their perogative...

..There is no good discussion that can come from a response like that.

eirghan wrote: »

There is a full creation stone venomancer on the sanctuary server.

As with anything all dreams can come true with a large enough credit card limit.

eirghan wrote: »

Ive seen 16 year olds on my server go from g16 to r999 +12 full creation stone in a matter of months.

But yeah, agreed, no need to press the point, it's not going to lead to a constructive discussion.

Aubree - Dreamweaver

WTF people cash shop the Candleflame set? b:shocked

passionateone

eirghan wrote: »

I changed my response because it was an attempt to turn this thread into a discussion that is not related to the post. IE Eirghan is just QQing over cash shoppers.

Whether I am a cash shopper or not has no bearing on this thread, or anything else in forums. To add to that I've already stated in another response on this thread that I am a cash shopper. So it was uncessary to state twice. If you're saying that I removed it because I am ashamed I think you are mistaken and it's evident by my other posts that I do cash shop and I don't really care either way what people think about it.

I haven't called any person out, let alone as a dumb casher. There are many, many, MANY people on my server who cash shop and do questionable deeds for gear. I couldn't possibly be calling any one person out if I tried. And that doesn't make them a dumb casher to be doing that. It's their choice. But I was curious to see what level of people make those choices. If anything I'd say someone marrying for gear is clever indeed. Though moral-less and probably lacking in enjoyment from personal relationships.

I have no idea who the person is who is calling me salty. If this person is feeling guilty about their spending habits and they feel the need to come after me for a general statement I made about credit card spending, that's their perogative. If they are not guilty about their spending habits and are just seeing me as salty about cash shopping in gerenal they are a) sadly misinformed since I've already admitted i cash shop and b) welcome to their opinion but only as it relates to the discussion to help it along, and only insofar as they state it well with examples and conclusions. Calling names salty and attempting to make people defensive is just a waste of time in my opinion, and an attempt to make people upset/angry/bitter whatever. There is no good discussion that can come from a response like that.

I have reason to believe that you're being salty is because on more than one thread you reference one person in particular and I'm sure we both know who I'm talking about.
The simple fact you do bring up this one particular person in question on both threads in ways that make it seem like you're looking down on them is being quite salty.

The examples:

"Ive seen 16 year olds on my server go from g16 to r999 +12 full creation stone in a matter of months"

"There is a full creation stone venomancer on the sanctuary server.
As with anything all dreams can come true with a large enough credit card limit."

That my friend, Is being salty b:kiss
The extent of the saltiness over this one person is real and you can't really deny it, as knowing who you are and who you're referring to and how much you dislike each other pretty obviously there. You still look salty b:laugh

I'm indeed a decently big cash shopper and I'm not afraid to say it. I have a good paying job and a lot of extra money to play with. The people who want to be salty towards me for doing something I choose to do on a video game with my own hard earned cash can continue to be salty and sour because I don't work hard for the stuff I want! I just buy it b:thanks If you wanna farm/merch for your stuff, cool! If you want to CS all your stuff overnight, cool! who am I or anyone else to diss anybody for the means they use to enjoy the game.



Moral of the story is, I don't really care about the whole cash shopping talk aspect of this whole thread, I just found it really funny how you're so salty over one particular person, feel free to deny It I guess b:shutup

Salty word count - 7 times used.

eirghan

I said a venomancer had full creation stones and they paid for it inside a certain time period. The original poster said that it was impossible to afford creation stones. I said having a credit card makes anything affordable. Saying this toon is fail or that I'm upset about it, or that it's wrong, or whatever is your interpretation, not mine. I stated the facts. This person exists. This is when they got it. No more, No less.

I don't need to defend my posts because I never said that any one person made a bad decision. If you or this person is getting offended and upset about it then I think that says more about your guilt (or need to cause drama around my forum posts) as I did not infer anything negative about this person (or anyone here). It was the most extreme example of cash shopping in my most recent memory, but one venomancer is far from the only cash shopper on game.

And I'm not quite sure what you're referencing about us hating each other. I was once her friend before she joined a faction (one you are most likely a member of) that prizes itself on hurting others and causing world chat drama. Something that evidently is your goal to bring here. So again I will say: Lets keep the discussion to the topic.

Edit: I should probably thank you guys. This is a really great example of the stigma around cash shopping. The moment anyone states someone cash shopped gear its automatically taken to be a calling out/negative statement/bait/insult. Interesting.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

WTF people cash shop the Candleflame set? b:shocked

The full set reawakened can be on par or close to with most S cards ( a few big exceptions to this, of course)
I assume though, that people don't cashshop this set on purpose? I sort of thought a lot of people that get this via cashing are opening S packs, hoping for Nuema Portal or something similarly awesome and end up making this set.

mysticalconumdrm

exactly what a cashshopper is ????
is it anybody who spends so much as a dollar??? a few dollars?...
.or someone who buys there way thru the game???
all the above seem to be correct...
i use pre-paid cards......probably about 8-9 over the past 4 years...
i farm mats/TT stuff..and have lvl 5 tailor...so not to hard to make coin..needed for skills...etc
I always used gold to by extras...like bag extention...bank extension...flashy/faster flyer and more than a few reset stones...and a few clothes..
.but then again i have not reached rrr9 or whatever lvl
and i am in no hurry...some days farm...some days selling mats..
.some days nothing but check in for the free stuff b:victory

passionateone

eirghan wrote: »

I said a venomancer had full creation stones and they paid for it inside a certain time period. The original poster said that it was impossible to afford creation stones. I said having a credit card makes anything affordable. Saying this toon is fail or that I'm upset about it, or that it's wrong, or whatever is your interpretation, not mine. I stated the facts. This person exists. This is when they got it. No more, No less.

I don't need to defend my posts because I never said that any one person made a bad decision. If you or this person is getting offended and upset about it then I think that says more about your guilt (or need to cause drama around my forum posts) as I did not infer anything negative about this person (or anyone here). It was the most extreme example of cash shopping in my most recent memory, but one venomancer is far from the only cash shopper on game.

And I'm not quite sure what you're referencing about us hating each other. I was once her friend before she joined a faction (one you are most likely a member of) that prizes itself on hurting others and causing world chat drama. Something that evidently is your goal to bring here. So again I will say: Lets keep the discussion to the topic.

Edit: I should probably thank you guys. This is a really great example of the stigma around cash shopping. The moment anyone states someone cash shopped gear its automatically taken to be a calling out/negative statement/bait/insult. Interesting.

It has nothing to do with cash shopping but everything to do with your saltiness against someone
There also is no guilt, it's just funny. Stating my opinion, doesn't mean you have to even listen to me, can just ignore me either or works b:laugh

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The full set reawakened can be on par or close to with most S cards ( a few big exceptions to this, of course)
I assume though, that people don't cashshop this set on purpose? I sort of thought a lot of people that get this via cashing are opening S packs, hoping for Nuema Portal or something similarly awesome and end up making this set.

Poll says paying off Candleflame for the next 5 years b:chuckle I assume 5 years of debt = neuma not candleflame.

Either way comment was rhetorical.

rieihdius

I put money in this game once in a while, but not in an exaggerated manner and no with credit card.

I have a rrr9 toon, but it is not maxed and it was not made with real money. I was a gold merchant b:laugh but i did not get that gold with real money but thanks to nw, during that time I was able to merchant more than 600 golds on AH in a couple of months with almost zero effort. Of course that was a time when NW tokens were far more expensive and the gold was way more cheap than now.

The only part of my armor that I got with $$$$ was the last one (I don't even remember if it was the legs or the boots) but it was just the chips, and that was mostly because I didn't play those days and gold went up from like a million to 1.8 or so and it was the last day of chip sale.

The rrr9 weapon was like 30% NW, 50% TT Farm, 20% Jolies b:laugh

Most of the times that I put money on this game are when there is some nice promo like those from the free 10* Orb or one that gives you a free A Chest (no pack)

I have noticed that in this community there is a lot of hate for the Maxed cash shoppers, thing that I consider pretty stupid since those guys pay the game for us.

Also a lot of people tend to think that because a player is maxed, said player is a cashopped one. Or that all cash shoppers are nabs with a big wallet b:laugh

But if you think about it there is a lot of contradictions on those statements

Just as others stated before most of the maxed toons are merchants, not cash shop ones.

Even if a maxed toon is a cash shop one, to be maxed you need rrr9, and since omen use badges and those badges are bounded, at least that person did a lot of warsong/lunar runs (210 badges minimum) heck if said person is indeed a nub at warsong (not able to solo a pavilion with decent gear) said person worked even more, since thats one badge less per run an the mobs are more ''FUN'' b:sin when pavs fail.

However there is a couple of negative things that I see on the maxed toons and I think that those are the roots of the hate to them:

They are basically demigods, this could be see as something good, however I think it must be really boring after some time since you dont need to think to much if your oponent's gear is way more inferior than yours.

I know that some people would said something like: ''with skill you can kill that player even on **** gear blablabla'' My answer would be: when you see a maxed toon tanking 20 or more people (some of those rrr9 +10) then aoeing and killing almost all of them in like 3 seconds and finally killing the rest in 3 more second you will realize that sadly there is a point where skill is irrelevant.

Also this same demigod factor make them lost some skill, this doesnt mean that those players are unskilled, is more that they dont need to be skilled unless they are fighting with similar geared player, and since there is few maxed players and those maxed players usually are on the same factions and squads, their opponents are the average people, People who feel humiliated after being 1 shoted again and again by the same people.

Bellicious - Dreamweaver

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »

Then I question why you play PW since you sound so jaded.

I play because my friends are too naive to see what I see.

AngelRiot - Sanctuary

To try and accommodate the purpose of this post, I will share a bit of insight.

Firstly, I can appreciate the title of this thread. It's interesting, and made me want to know exactly how people would respond.

Secondly, as far as personal opinions go - I agree that working for gear in-game has no shame, nor does spending large sums of real life money. As somebody mentioned, they both (for the most part) require work, or sometimes sacrifice. If somebody chooses to blow away everything they have on a game? I think it's safe to say everybody would have a few comments, but that's not to say that they should be shared.

Thirdly, I happen to be a full creation stone venomancer on the Sanctuary server. b:thanks
I don't like to assume, but in this case, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that my venomancer is the one that Eirghan has been referring to. I'm not bothered or offended by the fact that my character was indirectly mentioned in two different threads by the same person. I don't even really see any particular point where there was some sort of bashing on anybody. I would like to say, I'm a bit confused as to why age was a factor mentioned in the initial post (and if age IS going to be brought into this, at least get it right!) - but I guess that can be accredited to the fascination some people have developed with the concept of "young people" charging (in quotes, because the perception of what is considered "youth" can vary). I'll admit, it can be a curious topic. Apart from myself, I generally don't think many people would appreciate implications that may suggest they are spending more than they can afford to.

Addressing one of Eirghan's earlier posts, I'm not sure how many people would openly admit to "sacrific[ing] their future in their strive for the need to be on top." Regardless of pride or the need to brag, I think most people would find it to be somewhat of an embarrassing confession.

Bad decision making as far as strategy...I can see the point in stating this opinion, Eirghan. Everybody probably knows at least one other person who can fall under the "bad decision making" category, when it comes to in-game spending, or rl charging.

I would say logically that I hope anybody maxing their credit cards knows that being OP on a game can't be as nice as "buy[ing] a house in a few years for their family..." but really, it has nothing to do with me. It's their money, and choosing to spend it - even in excess - really isn't of concern to anybody else.

I appreciate the anonymity that Eirghan provided to me by not sharing my character's name, and I'm aware that in this post I have defeated the purpose of remaining anonymous, but I felt a need to add my two cents to the topic at large.

Spend money on pixels or spend money on groceries - to each their own, I guess. b:surrender

Desdi - Sanctuary

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

..or buy weird things like veno pets b:shocked

b:scorn


Not gonna lie though, my first legendary pet (Hercules) was CS'd, ehehehe.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Man, I remember how much I loved people rolling venos for TT farming. Such easy money buying gold, opening sale packs, selling out in 10 seconds, repeating. Bless you early day venos, your laziness made me much money.b:thanks

eirghan

Aww darn you guys caught me. This post was actually a qq session about one character i evidently am obsessed with. Guess we can close the thread now since the fifteen points made aside from this clearly were just a cover, not to mention the fifteen thousand other cash shoppers here, or farmers or whatever. Their opinions and gear strategies pale in comparison to the great Riotfox.

Lesson learned, next time i use someone as an example ill use someone from my own guild. Hard to call names then. Because what would I be salty over? Winning tw in fifteen minutes?

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:scorn


Not gonna lie though, my first legendary pet (Hercules) was CS'd, ehehehe.

The first thing I spent money on was an inventory expansion stone. And I still don't have enough space in my bag. Fml. b:cry