Farming r9rr plz help

konagurl1

so i wanted to know what is the best way anyone has seen to farm r9rr gear....
by this i simply mean coins/hour what is the best thing to farm... i hear its tt 3-3 but i cant solo that yet.
i have a sin who is full aps gear including g16 daggers single roll.... all +6 no tome
mixed hp shards from 40-75 throughout the gear.
im at
7178 hp unbuffed
5k pdef unbuffed
5k mdef unbuffed
3.33 aps sparked


what would be needed for me to solo tt 3-3 or is there somthing better i can farm that wont caost??

WannaBM - Archosaur

2-3 makes just as much coins per hour and should probably be possible for you.

konagurl1

ya i have been doing 1-1 thru 2-3 keeping vendor stocked up tight with like 50-100 of each mat but doesnt sell fast ... will take some time but thanks jsut wanted to know if i was doing it right XDb:laugh

Salari - Raging Tide

You should be able to farm most of the bosses all the way up to 3-3. But yeah stick with 2-3 till you get about 10k hp unbuffed and close to 7k p/m def then you should have no problems in any tt instance.

If you catshop is going slow check other prices around, someone could be underselling you.

WannaBM - Archosaur

konagurl1 wrote: »

ya i have been doing 1-1 thru 2-3 keeping vendor stocked up tight with like 50-100 of each mat but doesnt sell fast ... will take some time but thanks jsut wanted to know if i was doing it right XDb:laugh

The speed at which the mats sell obviously depends on your pricing. In my experience the AH is the best place to sell green mats. I would consistently sell them at around the lowest price (which is up to 400k in 2-3 for antennas) and sell for 20m per day or so. Things might be different per server, but if you aint selling, lower your price.

dat1guyy

Having an APS sin is the best way and you are off to a good start. To be honest farm any TT is great and almost comparative. My sin has now 12.6k base hp with 5 APS g16+12 daggers. That allowed me to farm my full rrr9+10 cleric and now I am farming for my rrr9 stormbringer.


I see farming as an essential part of the experience of PWI, and from what I have seen players that farm almost always beat players who cash shop on the same gear level. It really just experience, money only gets your toon better, but practice and experience is what gets you yourself better. b:thanks

konagurl1

HAHA ya my #1 goal is to spend exactly $0 on my r9
this included getting the sin to where she is....
as for mats i check every 2 hours or so and i am lowest price i can farm about 40 chins plates and 40 war drums in about an hour and half and than i move to 2-1 and grab up about 30 armors and than 2-2 and do 7-9 runs of that getting me a wappin 30 hooks and maybe evan 20 dust if im lucky
thank you all for the help and suggestions and any more are always welcome.... how do i get to 10k hp and 10k pdef mdef btw i cant figure that out i dont really want to orb my gear to 10 its at 6 used nothing but mirs

WannaBM - Archosaur

if they give you event gold, use that for tishas and tienkangs. If you have 2000 mirages and 200 event gold, give it a shot and make something +7. If you succeed the next, if you fail, you go click again. (mirage for 1-3, tienkang 4-5, tisha 6-9) If you can get enough event gold, you can get your gear to +9 like this (higher if you want of course, but then it gets more expensive than buying that +10 orb) Just keep taking shots at the next refine as long as you get event gold. Refine your ornaments just a much as your armors.

konagurl1

well i did just find out about tiger event and how exactly to do it so.... i should be getting event gold
that is an amazzing thing to know i thaught u couldnt go past +6 without spending more on mirs than on orb lol....
ill have to refine orni's a little more they were my last bit at +5 ring +4
i just got my first ever absolute virtue book so ....
pdef about 5400
mdef about 5500
going up!!!
hehe
any other great ideas... i have 2000 event gold on my seeker so i might as well give it a go getting his full g16 to +9 XD
wish me luck!

Poopinpanto - Heavens Tear

I was farming coin for r9 but said aww f it I don't even need the **** because hey im on a pve server and anything done on it is basicly NW and I don't have to much in NW(the little man walking to the next part of the map is more trouble)and I hardly even play NW much...times suck.I saved up a billion but bought 2 of my rare skills and made a full set of s2 gear for a alt and stil lhave plenty of coin but don't feel like having to pay 500mill for a stupid ring then another what...almost 2 bill for weapon and more for all the armors then having to s2 then s3 it then having to re plus all of it again.



I don't have gas for that the game isn't like it used to be to invest more time into..but good luck.

LostPoet - Dreamweaver

konagurl1 wrote: »

ya i have been doing 1-1 thru 2-3 keeping vendor stocked up tight with like 50-100 of each mat but doesnt sell fast ... will take some time but thanks jsut wanted to know if i was doing it right XDb:laugh

Thats good. People say 3-3 is best money, but imo its wrong for most people. Unless you can complete 3-3 runs in 20-30 min, your coin/hour becomes relatively low and is more chance based.

I got a 16k r9 sin, and I hardly run 3-3, but mainly cuz my luck in it totally sucks.

If you really care to optimize farming, run each run from 1-2 to 2-3 (maybe 3-1) and tally the drops you get, and the price you sell them. Make sure to time the run. Then just take the total profit / time for the run, and you will know which is the best to farm.


Selling TT mats:
The greater variety of TTs you run 1-1 to 2-3, the "faster" mats can sell in catshop. Pretty much, you can put the most common mats in your shop from each run, thus selling fast and making money quicker. But, if like me, you want consistent money over time, spam the instance you calculated above, so you make the most money/hour, then just load up your shop, and wait. Some days, i'll make 20m in 1 day, others i'll make 5m... But I know i'll make the most money possible because I farmed the best instance for me during 2x.

Hopefully this helps. b:bye

WannaBM - Archosaur

LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Thats good. People say 3-3 is best money, but imo its wrong for most people. Unless you can complete 3-3 runs in 20-30 min, your coin/hour becomes relatively low and is more chance based.

Even if you can. 2-3 has almost the same Expected Value as 3-3 and will be done significantly faster.

All together i would rate the value per hour like this when well enough equiped to do 3-3 without a sweat:

2-3 **********
3-3 *********
3-2 ********
3-1 ****

Of course, bewiched doll can add some stars to 3-3

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

There are 3 card bosses in 3-3, why only mention Bewitched Doll? It's not like its cards are any easier to farm anymore.

LostPoet - Dreamweaver

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Even if you can. 2-3 has almost the same Expected Value as 3-3 and will be done significantly faster.

All together i would rate the value per hour like this when well enough equiped to do 3-3 without a sweat:

2-3 **********
3-3 *********
3-2 ********
3-1 ****

Of course, bewiched doll can add some stars to 3-3

for those who are lucky in 3-3, imo its way better than 2-3. Running around the map/ jumping on sin is much easier. Also, you need 2 toons to summon the white dog boss and move on.
The moment you get 1 decent gold mat in 3-3, its value is equal / better than a 2-3 run. And with 2x and all, the probability for most people is to get 1/2 per run. I know a sin who can do 3-3 in <15 min. Takes me about 22-28.

All that being said, I hardly run 3-3 anyways. Its only a few runs, and if my luck is good, I'll continue...
My last 2x luck was like:
Pull steelation, 4+ frenzy, make life hell, kill, drop 0 gold.
Pull Black Dog, instant purge, mobs around agro and hurt. drop no Green or GBF
~30 Arma, 1 illusion stone, 1 lord's stone

And with that being said, I've had TT 3-3 runs that were worth like 60m+ in the past.
Including runs with like 4 GBF in 1 drop, or 3 illusion stones + 2 lord's stones.

Given that on avg during 2x, you can make the same amount of money from 3-3 as 2-3, if you can do 3-3, you definitely should because of the chance to double profits is much more likely.

LostPoet - Dreamweaver

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There are 3 card bosses in 3-3, why only mention Bewitched Doll? It's not like its cards are any easier to farm anymore.

As for Card bosses, I find eden to be the easiest. Especially for sin.
Just stealth to the mobs, clear 4-6 mobs, kill Abyss Rider.
Make ele-necks, and decomp for chi stones / sell for nice channeling rolls / give to alts b:victory
Rinse and repeat.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

If you're doing Eden, why not do Stone Brain and Abyss Rider?

WannaBM - Archosaur

LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »

for those who are lucky in 3-3, imo its way better than 2-3.

Degenerate gamblers count on luck. Rational people just multiply the value of all drops with the chance of the drops to calculate the total expected value of a run and devide that by the time they need to do the run.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There are 3 card bosses in 3-3, why only mention Bewitched Doll? It's not like its cards are any easier to farm anymore.

True. Not all card bosses drop the same type and number of mats though. I dont know about the other 2 in 3-3. So yes, for many people they might be just as good and a 3-3 run including 3 card bosses is indeed magnificent.

The reason i did only bewiched is that i bought 200 each of the cards 1-4 in the past from pet leveling venos for 5k a piece. When it was 2x, i would set myself a farming target in stamina mats. That mostly eliminated the agrivation and factor and boredom of not getting any golds. F*** the golds, 650\1000 stamina mats this this weekend, keep on going 7 more runs

LostPoet - Dreamweaver

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Degenerate gamblers count on luck. Rational people just multiply the value of all drops with the chance of the drops to calculate the total expected value of a run and devide that by the time they need to do the run.

Alright. I phrased thst wrong. Lucky players make tons of money in 3-3.
But, does not mean other players don't get decent drops. One 3-3 good gold mat equals to the 2-3 run. And generally probability states during 2x you are gurentees AT LEAST 1. Given that you have the chance to get more than 1, 3-3 is definitely better for farming then 2-3.

Also, imo, 2-1 is better than 2-3. Can solo, don't need squad to start white dog boss. Can stealth since no mob count needed. Bosses easier and instance isn't a long run from start to end. Fengs black armor, orb (gold mat), forshua armor, and other drops all sell decently. 2-3 the last 2 bosses with adds gets difficult. If not decent gear. And their drops worth most.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you're doing Eden, why not do Stone Brain and Abyss Rider?

Because Abyss Rider drops Stamina mats, which you need Stone of the Scarred to use. Stone of the scared is 3-10x more expensive than Leafs so i personally only farm powers mats unless i get free cards.

My sin has about 9.2k hp base. +10 r9.3 dags, +10 g16 helm, +7 aps gear except for the chest which is +0 with no shards. I got immacs and incomp HP shards in my gear. I can solo every boss in 3-3 just fine with the exception of emperor because he's a meanieb:surrender.

But yea, the other bosses are cake and Tsu/Arma have decent mats most of the time.

matthew4

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Sylvae - Sanctuary

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because Abyss Rider drops Stamina mats, which you need Stone of the Scarred to use. Stone of the scared is 3-10x more expensive than Leafs so i personally only farm powers mats unless i get free cards.

Price difference is based on over-all final cost of manufacturing ->decomped stones. The stone of the scarred is more expensive, because it takes much less to craft a necklace than leaf to craft a ring. Also stamina drops more % wise, which is why the stamina are worth less. But their over-all worth after crafting to p stones ends up being basically the same.

Belts are what you craft with power for cheaper p stones, but you lose out on crafting the rings, which have higher value with good adds.

LostPoet - Dreamweaver

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because Abyss Rider drops Stamina mats, which you need Stone of the Scarred to use. Stone of the scared is 3-10x more expensive than Leafs so i personally only farm powers mats unless i get free cards.

My sin has about 9.2k hp base. +10 r9.3 dags, +10 g16 helm, +7 aps gear except for the chest which is +0 with no shards. I got immacs and incomp HP shards in my gear. I can solo every boss in 3-3 just fine with the exception of emperor because he's a meanieb:surrender.

But yea, the other bosses are cake and Tsu/Arma have decent mats most of the time.

How do you have issues with Emp? he's so easy.... Put Faith on genie if you have that much problems with him.... and always use Tidal.

I only get problems with steelation when he frenzy all day... stupid blackhole bow never purge.. b:angry

Also, if you farm 3-* you'll have tons of OHT mats to make all kinds of stuff from the card boss drops. b:thanks

WannaBM - Archosaur

LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Alright. I phrased thst wrong. Lucky players make tons of money in 3-3.
But, does not mean other players don't get decent drops. One 3-3 good gold mat equals to the 2-3 run. And generally probability states during 2x you are gurentees AT LEAST 1. Given that you have the chance to get more than 1, 3-3 is definitely better for farming then 2-3.

You really dont get it. You dont have any rationality. You keep talking about chances blablabla. Rationality is pure and simple. You have 10% chance that each gold drops, so take 10% of theirv value. You multiply the average number of green drops by their value. You add up the values of all items that drop in a complete run and you got the expected value of the total run. If it is 2x, you simply double that value. There is nothing more to it and nothing less. All other approaches to it are bullcrap and irrational.

LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Also, imo, 2-1 is better than 2-3. Can solo, don't need squad to start white dog boss. Can stealth since no mob count needed. Bosses easier and instance isn't a long run from start to end. Fengs black armor, orb (gold mat), forshua armor, and other drops all sell decently. 2-3 the last 2 bosses with adds gets difficult. If not decent gear. And their drops worth most.

Might well be. I have never tried 2-1 because i use my second client to open the doggy and those last 2 bosses are down before they know im there.

dat1guyy

WannaBM is completely correct.

That is how TT works, doesn't matter if you get 10 gold mats in one TT 3-3 run. The statistics and logic shows that that is for one it is very unlikely to happen, and for two you won't be finding any gold mats for the next few runs. You can't always be lucky in chances the same way to can always win at a casino.

I have farmed about 7-10 bill in the last 2-3 years and I know all about the drops chances and such. If you really beg to differ you can test it out for yourself and see what the long run gets you.

Another example is opening packs. Some people strike lucky and brag about how much money they made from one set of them. But in reality the don't tell you how much money they lost either. Why would PWI make opening packs profitable?? That's an easy question, because it is not.

LostPoet - Dreamweaver

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

You really dont get it. You dont have any rationality. You keep talking about chances blablabla. Rationality is pure and simple. You have 10% chance that each gold drops, so take 10% of theirv value. You multiply the average number of green drops by their value. You add up the values of all items that drop in a complete run and you got the expected value of the total run. If it is 2x, you simply double that value. There is nothing more to it and nothing less. All other approaches to it are bullcrap and irrational.

Wow, your attitude against me or my math / opinion kinda rude.... b:sad
You can do you approach, and I can do mine.

its a 10% chance to drop per drop. (the per drop is items the boss drops, oht mats, signs, green mats) or 5% or w/e it is.
During double drops, you chances of getting 1 is double. but your chances of getting "AT LEAST 1" is significantly higher. Also, now there is a chance that you can get double the max number of gold drops (like 4 or 8). Therefore, the chance of not getting "AT LEAST 1" has significantly decreased.
I'm not a math major, but I did ask my friend, who is, how I would calculate it out a few years back and verified it.
Also, I use all the OHT mats, + some card boss drops in Eden to make Chi stones.
OHT drops best in 3-3.

At this point, we are not relying on luck, but carefully calculated probability and chance.
Its like making an very educated guess.
Or like a professional poker player who know the stats of his hand and the chance the the outcome will be in his favor.

WannaBM - Archosaur

LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow, your attitude against me or my math / opinion kinda rude.... b:sad
You can do you approach, and I can do mine.
.

Sorry about that, i always get a little overdirect when people try to deny things that are indisputable facts.
There is no opinion in this matter. There is no your approach and my approach. There is only fact and fiction.

When a teacher in school is going to tell you 1+1 = 2, you can go try tell him that by your approach it is 3 in the weekend, but that aint gonna change the fact that 1+1 = 2.

At this point, we are not relying on luck, but carefully calculated probability and chance.
Its like making an very educated guess.

Carefully calculated probability is what i was telling you. What you are saying below here is not calculated and certainly not carefully not educated. It is just a bunch of random words. I hope you are not trying to use this kind of statements in your math classes.

During double drops, you chances of getting 1 is double. but your chances of getting "AT LEAST 1" is significantly higher.

Sorry again for my directness. And its funny you talk about professional poker players because i have been one for 5 years. (yes indeed, made a living purely off poker for 5 years)

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Lots of poor wording, but I think what lost poet meant is since there are multiple gold mat bosses in a 3-3 run, the odds end up better than in other runs that have fewer gold mat bosses with lower chances. He just messes it up by showing he didn't bother working out the math, and instead uses examples that contradict his attempt to show he does know the numbers.

However that is looking from a micro perspective, whereas WannaBM is talking macro from the same run done multiple times. In that case it does fall closer to the over-all % given, and you can then find the value of each run by taking the proper % value (modified for 2X obviously) to get your assumed return per run over extended period. Because a lucky run is just as much an outlier as an unlucky run, and statistics guarantee you'll be experiencing both if you run it often enough.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How do you have issues with Emp? he's so easy.... Put Faith on genie if you have that much problems with him.... and always use Tidal.

I only get problems with steelation when he frenzy all day... stupid blackhole bow never purge.. b:angry

Also, if you farm 3-* you'll have tons of OHT mats to make all kinds of stuff from the card boss drops. b:thanks

Because you had to actually tell me of all people to use tidal, and just because i farm 3-x doesn't mean i have enough stone mats to warrant farming mass amounts of stamina mats.

I never said i didn't farm them at all, but i rarely have stones of the scarred in high amounts, which is why i avoid them until i do.

But i can say the same about steelation for you. He's easy, to me. Also i dont have faith because well, i have tidal lolz. But it's typical of you to try to belittle me. Lets do a comparison of your aps gear to mine shall we? On top of the fact i don't spend all day in TT. I doubt they will pump out as many runs as we can, which puts them in the same exact position as someone that farms very little.

As for stamina mats i have done the math for my servers prices. You make the most coin by farming powermats and making pants then decomping. 15% more then necks, even if you get that rare 6% or 9% neck.

WannaBM - Archosaur

The point is that he is claiming 2x would benefit more for 3-3 than 2-3 by some kind of faulty logic. Which is absolutely totally nonsense. If a 2-3 run is worth 3 million and done in 20 minutes (for 9m per hour) and a 3-3 run is worth 4million and done in 30 minutes (8m per hour) then during 2x both values are simply double and nothing changes to the comparison.

Surely instead of calculating the average amount of drops you get over a run, you could calculate the chance that you get 1, that you get 2 etc and then add those together, but that would be similar like going from Paris to Rome via Bejing, then London, then stockholm. Not surprising that he took some extra wrong turns on the way that lead him to faulty conclusions