Stop... Sucking...

Takeva - Heavens Tear

I'm on the clerics side on this one. You knew it wasn't a great squad when you joined because you knew barb couldn't hold aggro. Why is the cleric the only one at fault here? You're a dd, not a tank. If you knew there was a chance you would be tanking, let your squad know.

Whole group failed to communicate. At least no one died.b:victory

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Keisari - Raging Tide wrote: »

*SNIP*

Thing is, FSP is not a great place for that to be a determinant of skill. Just hitting CHB nonstop honestly sounds more like someone was dual-clienting on two computers, with them just hitting one hot button macro over and over for the cleric on their laptop or something. That means targeting and using another skill would take focus away from the main one they are focusing on.

And in FSP, I've seen barbs running into walls, following another character running to a wall, and they move one at a time. And that only starts after the squad leader makes it to a place they can stop at. FSP is a heavily gimped instance because of the fact that a lot of the instance can be done with macros. And the areas that require control, give enough time to jump back and forth and move as needed. Though that is also why a lot of DDs die against the water boss; they are stupidly standing in the AoE because the controller has to switch between clients to move them one at a time.

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

Here's an update on me, trying to put some of the advice you guys and gals have given me.

http://imgur.com/7gTusk4 Part 1

http://imgur.com/LiZ86aD Part 2

You know my lower lvl (I think 93 at the time) rb1 5.5k hp +4 r8 wep aps sin takes aggro from a rb2 +12 warsoul archer. Well before said archer got cards and r9rr gears. I bet you wouldn't have had aggro anyway.

If players are not taking advantage of all the heals in the game (or complaining when one form ticks) then I don't know what to tell you. I know when I play archer/melee I rely on charm ticks and 3 spark for heals even if a cleric is in squad Actually those charms ticks are cheaper then potting HP. Psy's have heals, let's not forget mystics and finally BP (doesn't help archer).

I agree with other people saying your squad was "fail in general" and yet you decide to target cleric. Whatever......

Clerics have one of the highest dps in the game now. Put me with a seeker and it's GG, I'm taking aggro every time. They have been over hauled for more damage. Saying cleric is main healer is old. Certain instances they have that role to play. IN those instances I do play the healer role, bh isn't one of them. It's mostly people running in getting it done and leaving. This game went solo play a long time ago. Especially for 20 second bh boss fights.

I still think it's awful stupid to complain about 1 charm tick, kitty on the other hand I feel bad for her charm.

Keyborne - Raging Tide

this post is prolly the dumbest thing ive read..no wonder ppl laugh at RT.

sub lvl100 (rb or not) means youw ere prolly in a under 100 bh? full t3 gear and your charms ticking? really? guess you never tried to pot? oh hell no why pot when theres a cleric in sqd!

t3 +10 weap so you DEFINATELY should tank b:victory forget about actual tank classes and that old school thing called agro control. oh no.. i used an op friggin skill and pulled agro so what the heck ill just spark and keep dding like theres no tomorrow and everyone has to keep my charm alive .

oh and under 30 second boss fight.. yeah that was a ton of charm ticking..

go back to barb cos you clearly have no idea how to play any other class

i rememebr when clerics didnt even bother with dumbass DDs who pull agro and just rez them when they die

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

This thread is long but as a cleric I just want to throw this out there, I don't heal to save peoples charms. I heal to keep you alive. If you don't want to tick your charm, don't wear one all the time? I don't consider that sucking at all.

Colum - Raging Tide

Takeva - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm on the clerics side on this one. You knew it wasn't a great squad when you joined because you knew barb couldn't hold aggro. Why is the cleric the only one at fault here? You're a dd, not a tank. If you knew there was a chance you would be tanking, let your squad know.

Whole group failed to communicate. At least no one died.b:victory

Lolwut, I am a barb and at this state and age of the game I don't mind at all if someone else capable of tanking will do it in my stead so I can debuff and DD. b:bye

... Then again, most of the time even my DDing in human form keeps the aggro. b:shutup

Evryn - Morai

Keisari - Raging Tide wrote: »

When squad proceeded to Blossom Succubus Kitty noticed the boss taking ridiculously long to die, Kitty was DDing since r9rr+12 wizzie clearly withstood aggro well. To test how much damage ppl were doing Kitty started taking aggro and she found that by throwing FR every now and then was enough to keep aggro. And as cleric was once against standing useless Kitty decided to leave squad after having remnants of her event gold charm killed by lack of heals.

After leaving squad Kitty finally gained even deeper understanding of Lolga's OP. On RT there's many clerics who prefer barb surviving by charm and pots so that they can just look feathery best friend of everyone.

If a cler's just being this lazy or a macro puppy, then at -least- set a combo of (Repeat)-IH-IH-CHB, and target the barb (or whoever is main tank). That still heals everyone but should prevent any charmticks on the tank unless the tank is not well armored (and therefor shouldn't fill the tanking role).

Cler's the primary healer in a squad. If you can't fill that task while dualclienting, then don't dual FSP. Simple. Keeping everyone alive is your primary task - but if noone's in immediate fear of death, you should definately keep the tank's health up. If the tank has some IHs stacked and there's no other people who need buffs, heals or puri, then throw some debuffs at a boss or take some potshots at random mobs. But if you don't want to be a healer in PvE, cler's definately not the right class for you, I think...

Takeva - Heavens Tear

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lolwut, I am a barb and at this state and age of the game I don't mind at all if someone else capable of tanking will do it in my stead so I can debuff and DD. b:bye

... Then again, most of the time even my DDing in human form keeps the aggro. b:shutup

Clearly you don't understand my post.

Everyone in this squad wasn't playing their role. I never said anything is wrong with this. I was saying that the cleric isn't the only one at fault here. They never established a plan. The whole squad is to blame for his charm ticking.

If you want heals, just say you want heals. Should know by now that mostly everyone thinks about is how fast the run will go. b:kiss

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

This happened a long time ago, when there was no rebirth, and mid-level BHs were common.

2 consecutive BH59s on my cleric. Both with barbs in squad, different barbs. Barb #1 praised me, barb #2 complained of charm ticks and kicked me before next boss.

Thing is, I was playing the same both times... IHing the barb until stack was maxed out and HP stabilized, debuff and DD until HP started falling, then go back to IHing. People don't react the same way in the same situation.

I've also seen high level clerics pull aggro off the tank at Wyvern, causing party member death from AOE (my same cleric, when she was lower level, was the victim of this; she was a one shot to Wyvern's AOE at the time) and crowing about how pro they are (hint: getting party members killed while showing off your "pro-ness" is not pro) and high level AA venos commiting suicide by Wyvern (don't think anybody else got killed that time, but it's been a while; in this case my HA veno was the tank, since my herc could no longer hold aggro off me.)

Then there are the clerics who CHB when one, maybe 2 people are a little low on health, and the sin who chewed out my cleric for dropping BB when he knew I was dual clienting, and I'd missed MP potting too long (I'd zeal lured Brigand and IHed myself too soon, getting heal aggro on the fungals. I don't even normal BB there, but did this time because of the extra mobs. My seeker and the sin both died when BB dropped because my attention had shifted to killing the fungals rather than watching my cleric's MP; the fourth party member, a BM, I managed to keep alive throughout the boss fight, but it was somehow my fault that the sin with overrefined daggers and underrefined gear died a second time, just as the boss did.)

Keyborne - Raging Tide

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lolwut, I am a barb and at this state and age of the game I don't mind at all if someone else capable of tanking will do it in my stead so I can debuff and DD. b:bye

... Then again, most of the time even my DDing in human form keeps the aggro. b:shutup

toons "capable of tanking" wouldnt be QQing about charm ticks and would know how to reduce damage taken or heal themselves. just cos a toon doesnt get 2-shotted doesnt mean they can tank

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

Maybe I'm just an oddball in the group...

But I don't feel that a player should have to ask a cleric, or a mystic for that matter... to heal them.

Most squads say: LF Cleric + More. They aren't doing this because they want a cleric's DD power...(great as it may be with primal cyclone.) They're saying this because they want the main healer of the game to join. LF healer often indicates cleric or mystic, as both classes are considered excellent healing classes. Simultaneously, I don't feel that I should have to ask a seeker to vortex, a blademaster to HF/GS/MSS. I don't feel I should ask a sin to subsea/ribstrike, a barb to flesh ream/devour, or for other DD's to attack.

I firmly believe that the role of a tank is known to switch. I mean no offense, but I find it odd that the barb isn't wrong for not holding aggro, the cleric isn't wrong for not healing, but the archer is wrong is wrong for tanking a boss that he was perfectly capable of tanking, and wouldn't have even complained had he received a few IH's. Perhaps, I'm missing something from this equation.

I've seen many people tank things without being the "Normal tank classes". Some of the best WS runs I've done have been archer tanks. I've seen mystics tank Lunar, Seen clerics tank FSP., Venos tank Frost...heck, I've tanked frost...while being the solo healer too. We've all seen sins tank, and they're a LA class too. The thing about it is that Archers do not have access to bp, and they don't actually get anything that can count as a heal for a while, so they need either charms/hp pots or a heal here and there to sustain them. I can't see anything wrong with an archer (That is capable of tanking)...actually tanking the instance. Especially since nobody died either.

Maybe I'm just weird. Lol.

Ibunneh - Raging Tide

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maybe I'm just an oddball in the group...

But I don't feel that a player should have to ask a cleric, or a mystic for that matter... to heal them.

Most squads say: LF Cleric + More. They aren't doing this because they want a cleric's DD power...(great as it may be with primal cyclone.) They're saying this because they want the main healer of the game to join. LF healer often indicates cleric or mystic, as both classes are considered excellent healing classes. Simultaneously, I don't feel that I should have to ask a seeker to vortex, a blademaster to HF/GS/MSS. I don't feel I should ask a sin to subsea/ribstrike, a barb to flesh ream/devour, or for other DD's to attack.

I firmly believe that the role of a tank is known to switch. I mean no offense, but I find it odd that the barb isn't wrong for not holding aggro, the cleric isn't wrong for not healing, but the archer is wrong is wrong for tanking a boss that he was perfectly capable of tanking, and wouldn't have even complained had he received a few IH's. Perhaps, I'm missing something from this equation.

I've seen many people tank things without being the "Normal tank classes". Some of the best WS runs I've done have been archer tanks. I've seen mystics tank Lunar, Seen clerics tank FSP., Venos tank Frost...heck, I've tanked frost...while being the solo healer too. We've all seen sins tank, and they're a LA class too. The thing about it is that Archers do not have access to bp, and they don't actually get anything that can count as a heal for a while, so they need either charms/hp pots or a heal here and there to sustain them. I can't see anything wrong with an archer (That is capable of tanking)...actually tanking the instance. Especially since nobody died either.

Maybe I'm just weird. Lol.

This ^ Can we end this now, because honestly, let's face it. People are going to do what the hell they want to do. I repeat, people are going to do what the hell they want to do.

Klinsy - Dreamweaver

I've been playing since Dreamweaver was born and have 64 characters, none of which over level 70. I pay attention to everything in a dungeon crawl, and I know every pre-60 skill very well. Give me a level 95+ Cleric or Mystic, and I guarantee you that you'll have another competent healer on your squad.

Klinsy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Give me a level 95+ Cleric or Mystic,

OH WAIT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING!!! b:laugh

Zoldi - Morai

Klinsy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've been playing since Dreamweaver was born and have 64 characters, none of which over level 70.

b:shocked
Do you enjoy low levels quests that much ?

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Klinsy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've been playing since Dreamweaver was born and have 64 characters, none of which over level 70.

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

b:shocked
Do you enjoy low levels quests that much ?

Sounds like commitment issues. b:chuckle

Klinsy - Dreamweaver

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

b:shocked
Do you enjoy low levels quests that much ?

No. I'm sick of them. It's one reason why I quit PWI a few months ago. It's quest completionist OCD though, and I've been looking for a good way to break myself of it to advance like a sane person.

The free insta-level 95 items should do the trick. Once I have characters with skipped quests, I don't think I'll have as much of an issue skipping more. Besides, I can come back to them after those post-level 100 level resets I've been hearing about, right? b:victory

Edit: Though considering my long absence, I'm probably a bit rusty and will need to ease back into things.

Aubree - Dreamweaver

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maybe I'm just an oddball in the group...

But I don't feel that a player should have to ask a cleric, or a mystic for that matter... to heal them.

Most squads say: LF Cleric + More. They aren't doing this because they want a cleric's DD power...(great as it may be with primal cyclone.) They're saying this because they want the main healer of the game to join. LF healer often indicates cleric or mystic, as both classes are considered excellent healing classes. Simultaneously, I don't feel that I should have to ask a seeker to vortex, a blademaster to HF/GS/MSS. I don't feel I should ask a sin to subsea/ribstrike, a barb to flesh ream/devour, or for other DD's to attack.

I firmly believe that the role of a tank is known to switch. I mean no offense, but I find it odd that the barb isn't wrong for not holding aggro, the cleric isn't wrong for not healing, but the archer is wrong is wrong for tanking a boss that he was perfectly capable of tanking, and wouldn't have even complained had he received a few IH's. Perhaps, I'm missing something from this equation.

I've seen many people tank things without being the "Normal tank classes". Some of the best WS runs I've done have been archer tanks. I've seen mystics tank Lunar, Seen clerics tank FSP., Venos tank Frost...heck, I've tanked frost...while being the solo healer too. We've all seen sins tank, and they're a LA class too. The thing about it is that Archers do not have access to bp, and they don't actually get anything that can count as a heal for a while, so they need either charms/hp pots or a heal here and there to sustain them. I can't see anything wrong with an archer (That is capable of tanking)...actually tanking the instance. Especially since nobody died either.

Maybe I'm just weird. Lol.

FYI they got that heal in the form of a charm tick LOL. That's my point exactly everyone rushed in, killed the boss and left. According to the OP only fault was healer, who I might add was said to have squad healed at least 1x. That archer is just bad attitude and if in my squad, would tick every time. I don't know where his other thread went but he made one calling a sin fail for asking if he should use aps or not in aeu. Sin was a first timer. That's not fail and neither was his 1 charm tick.

I don't even heal goonz in TT and some other instances. He can tick.

xxxxjayxxxx

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But I don't feel that a player should have to ask a cleric, or a mystic for that matter... to heal them.

+1 this. Seriously though, i find it rather irritating when i ask for a healer and i get a "metal mage". Dont get me wrong, i have nothing against clerics who want to DD, but if ive invited someone to a squad to take the role of a healer i would expect them to heal. You wouldnt invite a barb for flowsilver if he whacked things with a pataka, youd want him to tank it.

foxysp

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But I don't feel that a player should have to ask a cleric, or a mystic for that matter... to heal them.

Most squads say: LF Cleric + More. They aren't doing this because they want a cleric's DD power...(great as it may be with primal cyclone.) They're saying this because they want the main healer of the game to join. LF healer often indicates cleric or mystic, as both classes are considered excellent healing classes. Simultaneously, I don't feel that I should have to ask a seeker to vortex, a blademaster to HF/GS/MSS. I don't feel I should ask a sin to subsea/ribstrike, a barb to flesh ream/devour, or for other DD's to attack.

Totally agree, a player shouldn't need to be asked to do their job in squad. IMO if you aren't intending to heal, don't play a healer.

Klinsy - Dreamweaver

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sounds like commitment issues. b:chuckle

If by that you mean that I don't WANT to commit, then that's exactly it. b:surrenderb:victory

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Oh my bad! I was wrong. Got corrected here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4