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bloodedone87

jwillson123 wrote: »

The best magic class in the game are clerics.
TW,FSP,BH and full WS they all need clerics.
Yes they can be done without cleric but only if there OP players R9r3 players there with good refines

People basically BEG for clerics in game a lot

you should make cleric first why?
you can buff your other alts
you can revive them if they die to not lose experience
You can switch and duo with cleric when your squad needs a cleric and they can't find one.Believe me I have sometimes spend over 30 minutes trying to find a cleric...

There are times that if you do not have a cleric you can not do instance at all. For example full Warsong you need a cleric most of the time because sometimes you have badly geared players in your squad that can not solo their pavs without buff...


My Advice is make each of each caster class in separate accounts and level them all to level 80 to do Jones quest chain then from there choose one you like most to reach level over 81+ and leave others to level 80 only.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1575501

Perfect world is expensive as hell!!! and economy is really bad in pve servers.Also you need skills they cost a lot of money.

doing Jones you will make 700k + coins a day per character that way you will always have coins for basic necessities.

When I started playing this game there were no jones quest and I had a hard time playing because I was usually broke and did not had coins to keep up with appo,teleport and skill expenses.

Also Psychic I do not recommend it unless you plan to cash over 1000$ usd+ They require soulforce so you need level +12 gear to be the most efficient.+12 gear gives a lot of sourceforce.You either need to cash a lot or been playing HARD for over a full year to be able to afford +12 weapon atleast.

Best Choices are Veno and Cleric people want them so bad and beg for them.

The best magic class in the game are clerics? Since when? Im not saying they aren't good DD but i dont think they are the best.Just because they are needed in squads doesnt make them the best. And they are needed in squads for their buffs and heals. Most of the squads members dont give damn if the clerics attacks or not.

And psychics cant be good without cashing over 1000$ usd? Lol They require soulforce? yes they do but its not like a psy is doomed if he doesnt have a full +12 gear. A +7 psy should be good for PVE and NW 2 times per weak.

Dutch_death - Heavens Tear

best advice someone can give you is if you can spend rl money in pwi then welcome to the game if you only make coin from in game quest bot and items not worth to try pwi everything is so expensive wil take ages to get even normall s3 gear some may say it isnt so but it is at least on heavenstear price,s are insane high

OFate - Heavens Tear

Verenor - Morai wrote: »

Veno end-game probably requires you to buy a boutique-pet.

Not really... many of the none boutique pets are evolvable at 100. My first veno I did not have a boutique pet and she did very well farming TT end game, and without a cleric or -amazing- gear.

I've always loved Wiz, Psy and Mystic due to how unique they are

jwillson123

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

Could you explain that ? I consider clerics really OP as the game is recently but you can do a lot of things with no cleric in team (and with no R9.3 people)
I won't talk about PVP because clerics buffs are obviously a main factor (even if there are pots now)

But for which bh do you need a cleric with G16 people if you have a mystic as a healer ? For most bh G16 teams don't even need healer if tank has bp...
For FWS this is the same especially now, since more than 75% of your team would be RB2 anyway... so even G16 people are too OP for the instance.

For FSP it might be a little more touchy because of purify but sage mystics can purify (need some luck though), psychics can totally fit the role. And anyway people can just save their sparks, this is usually efficient enough.

Yes it can be done but I do not know about your server but everyone wants a cleric because it will make it way easier and they not going to have to over use appo.

BH yes with G16 players can be done without cleric. I will not comment here since to be honest I have not done BH for a long time last time I did it was in full ws run or else I would have not done it. I find BH a waste of time.

FSP needs cleric:
Also yes needs a R9r3 player tanking toad if squad do not find tank. I have yet to see a none barb G16 player tank toad and keep aggro.
Also many barbs can't do it without heals or purify.
The point is lets be honest when you form squad almost never you have a squad with very skilled people someone usually dies a lot and without cleric they will die even more...
1)I been in some squads that even with barb the squad could not kill second boss without cleric BB.
2)people gonna die without bb in the 5 king battle
3)Because people gonna die in last boss if someone not healing
4) Main reason even OP people want cleric in toad. The special attack that needs purify. Yes it can be healed with spark but some people do not have appo to get spark or they got no idea or are to late to spark when you tell them or they just "get it" when is too late and they dead.Or Tank would need extra focus when they have no one to purify them or heal them.Especially if they not a barb they will need even more focus to not only spark purify that attack but to be inmune to toad axe chop atk.


I have done none cleric FSP but people die a lot and make the run more longer than it should be.


Full WS needs cleric most of the time
1)Most of the time you will have a couple of players in your squad that will not survive without cleric buff and will die and fail in their pavs and would not be able to do it at all without buffs.
Sometimes you can put floater to hold their head but what if you got 2 players like that?
person 1 : I need help please
floater: coming
person 2 :AHHH I can not solo!!! b:shocked
Person 2: ohh noo!!! "dies" fails pav.

It has happened a lot to me in the past 50 runs I did just frustrating without cleric.

2) Aps sins yes they squishy with bosses. With BB no problem they can blow out all the DD they want even on fire ape boss when it use its spark buff no problem boss will die in 10 seconds or less. It sucks as an aps sin to have to control their dd instead of going full out. Yes can be done without cleric but frustrating.

If clerics where not needed at all people would not "Beg" in WC for cleric.
as you said other class can take their job but it would need a skilled player with good gear but those are not so common in my server atleast.

bloodedone87 wrote: »

The best magic class in the game are clerics? Since when? Im not saying they aren't good DD but i dont think they are the best.Just because they are needed in squads doesnt make them the best. And they are needed in squads for their buffs and heals. Most of the squads members dont give damn if the clerics attacks or not.

And psychics cant be good without cashing over 1000$ usd? Lol They require soulforce? yes they do but its not like a psy is doomed if he doesnt have a full +12 gear. A +7 psy should be good for PVE and NW 2 times per weak.

Yes they are best caster class just because of the multiple purpose they can fill.
No other class can be more helpful in a squad than a cleric either group pvp or pve.
Even solo a skilled cleric is very deadly in pvp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApC5SBTwcNo

I will take a cleric first before any class in a squad and most people will too.
Or else people would not beg for clerics daily on world chat.

Colum - Raging Tide

jwillson123 wrote: »

Yes it can be done but I do not know about your server but everyone wants a cleric because it will make it way easier and they not going to have to over use appo.

Overuse apoth where? Huh? You talk as if this game's PVE content would be hard...

BH yes with G16 players can be done without cleric. I will not comment here since to be honest I have not done BH for a long time last time I did it was in full ws run or else I would have not done it. I find BH a waste of time.

FSP needs cleric:
Also yes needs a R9r3 player tanking toad if squad do not find tank. I have yet to see a none barb G16 player tank toad and keep aggro.
Also many barbs can't do it without heals or purify.
The point is lets be honest when you form squad almost never you have a squad with very skilled people someone usually dies a lot and without cleric they will die even more...
1)I been in some squads that even with barb the squad could not kill second boss without cleric BB.
2)people gonna die without bb in the 5 king battle
3)Because people gonna die in last boss if someone not healing
4) Main reason even OP people want cleric in toad. The special attack that needs purify. Yes it can be healed with spark but some people do not have appo to get spark or they got no idea or are to late to spark when you tell them or they just "get it" when is too late and they dead.Or Tank would need extra focus when they have no one to purify them or heal them.Especially if they not a barb they will need even more focus to not only spark purify that attack but to be inmune to toad axe chop atk.

Time to break down some facts here... b:chuckle

R9r3 player is not necessary for tanking toad. My psychic wife tanked it fine one time with her T3 +10 sphere so your point is invalid right there. Any highest damage dealer should be able to tank toad if they know how to time immunity/spark for his chop.
Maybe the squads learn once they have no cleric.

1) That means either they suck or their cleric sucks. They won't learn not to suck unless they try and challenge themselves - learn how to survive without BB, or cleric learns how to heal people correctly at that boss. It is also very possible to die at that boss WITH BB if your squad is idiotic enough not to stay in the range of it.
2) Wait... how? My cleric can tank them alone, BBless... he is average T3...
3) And why is that? His AoE is weak and rampage can be purged/IGd/invoked/dew etc etc
4) Other purify possibilities: Sage Bubble of Life, Demon/Sage mystics with the purify skills (not very reliable), spark, faith, apoth that removes debuffs... Learn to control your chi. Psys can self-purify with psychic will.

You ever took a look at those FSP squads made with 1 class only? I wonder how they did it clericless if it's so hard. b:bye

I have done none cleric FSP but people die a lot and make the run more longer than it should be.


Full WS needs cleric most of the time
1)Most of the time you will have a couple of players in your squad that will not survive without cleric buff and will die and fail in their pavs and would not be able to do it at all without buffs.
Sometimes you can put floater to hold their head but what if you got 2 players like that?
person 1 : I need help please
floater: coming
person 2 :AHHH I can not solo!!! b:shocked
Person 2: ohh noo!!! "dies" fails pav.

It has happened a lot to me in the past 50 runs I did just frustrating without cleric.

2) Aps sins yes they squishy with bosses. With BB no problem they can blow out all the DD they want even on fire ape boss when it use its spark buff no problem boss will die in 10 seconds or less. It sucks as an aps sin to have to control their dd instead of going full out. Yes can be done without cleric but frustrating.

1) You can get base buffs, spirit of defense or those buffs from dreamchaser packs... Also, pavs are doable in TT 90 gear. People do not need buffs, they need to learn their class. Keep in mind some mobs can purge you in pavillions and in some squads there won't be anyone who can come rebuff you at that moment - better to learn to do the pavs buffless from the start.

2) They need to learn how to sin. If their damage output is enough to steal aggro from barb so he cannot take it back, either the tank sucks or the sin has extremely high dps which means high refine on their daggers. Sadly most sins neglect their armor refines and sharding, focusing on their weapon and aps pieces only so as a result theyre very capable of blowing out huge damage but theyre also squishy.

And do not tell me barbs cant hold aggro from sins. My barb can hold aggro from average T3 +10 dagger sins most of the time, at least enough for them to get enough BP heals back to recover.

Not to mention most of these sins do not even bother to rib strike.

I've had several non-heal FWS squads or ones with a mystic healer.... their spidervine works wonders at bosses.

If clerics where not needed at all people would not "Beg" in WC for cleric.
as you said other class can take their job but it would need a skilled player with good gear but those are not so common in my server atleast.

No class is "needed", most people just like to think otherwise. Anything is possible with any class combination in the game, and people have to realise this fact. It does not mean we should start neglecting certain classes like people are already doing. They reject mystics, psychics, even DD barbs and clerics because they rather have seekers, BMs, sins, venos... their cookie cutter debuffer squad.

Everything is situational. A cleric is always welcomed in my squad, no matter do they join in as a healer or DD. I do not, however, spam wc for eternity to find a cleric for a certain instance.

Yes they are best caster class just because of the multiple purpose they can fill.
No other class can be more helpful in a squad than a cleric either group pvp or pve.
Even solo a skilled cleric is very deadly in pvp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApC5SBTwcNo

I will take a cleric first before any class in a squad and most people will too.
Or else people would not beg for clerics daily on world chat.

I don't even...

One can dream I guess.