Morai 1on1 Tournament (idea)

Joe - Morai

We need to do this! I mean for real!

Entry Fee would be 10m for everyone.

The final Winner takes it all. Altho we could split the whole pot so that, starting with the quarter finalists, all victors already gain a little reward.

For example:

16 ppl in total = 160m.

1. Prize = 60m (x1)
2. Prize = 30m (x1)

Semi-Finalists-Prices = 15m (x2)
Quarter-Finalists-Prices = 10m (x4)

Rules:

Open PvP. Self Buffs only, no War avatars, no NW buff pot, no Ink Dragons Blood, no Spirit buff (from packs). Anything else is allowed.

Fights would be matches (2 outta 3) and to be fought on an even ground (Village of the brutes, on the cliffs for example).

We could do it with like 16 or 32 players which would determine as to how many rounds the tournament would have in total.

Ofc we would need judges too that would have to check that competitors do not shortly equip their cards and to prevent other unfair gameplay. The whole thing would surely get recorded anyways.

So, anyone up for this?

EDIT: We could surely do a group event (10x or 6x players) with the same rules too (cept the self buffs xD), but we would never get together more then 4 groups. I'd say we could go for a entry fee of 50m each full squad.

Note: Anyone that gets caught with a War Avatar on while the fight has started is disqualified immidiatly (if it's a group fight then the whole group gets disqualified, even if just one uses Cards). I will also add that you get disqualified as well if you stay in the air for longer then 10 seconds in one sitting. If you go back to the ground and start flying again it's ok, but only for 10 seconds max (not counting in getting cced in mid air ofc!)

Zanryu - Lothranis

It's a nice thought, but 1v1 on this game is just plain unbalanced. No point.

XXHotXx - Morai

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

It's a nice thought, but 1v1 on this game is just plain unbalanced. No point.

^ this

there is no chance some classes can win 1v1s against certain other classes
so its just pointless

Joe - Morai

xD ya that's why it is a tournament. Ok OK. Ima add the rule that you are not allowed to stay in stealth for over 6 seconds or you get disqualified as well. That should even things out^^

I kinda feel like you are talking about sins xDD against a great caster without the chance to hit first from stealth...well. Not that much chances for the sin to win ijs.

XXHotXx - Morai

Joe - Morai wrote: »

xD ya that's why it is a tournament. Ok OK. Ima add the rule that you are not allowed to stay in stealth for over 6 seconds or you get disqualified as well. That should even things out^^

I kinda feel like you are talking about sins xDD against a great caster without the chance to hit first from stealth...well. Not that much chances for the sin to win ijs.

lets bring your class and my class in comparison in a 1on1 scenario

barb has also almost 3 times the hp pool a wizard has

barb can negate damage with invoke and solid shield, wizard cannot

barb can negate death with cornered, wizard cannot

barb has paralyze spam and purge, wizard doesnt have, wizard also have chances to CC

while we have very similar base damage value, but barb can dps, wiz cannot

balanced? b:pleased

stealth in 1on1 should just be plain forbidden, 6 seconds or 30 seconds wont make difference, since plain stealthing+detect pot "lag" will be just good enough to prevent you to target him and to land most likely a killing blow

Zanryu - Lothranis

It isn't just about Assassins, there are matchups that are just plain bad. BM vs any heavy. Assassin vs Anything. Cleric vs anything. Barbarian vs anything. List goes on yo.

Joe - Morai

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

lets bring your class and my class in comparison in a 1on1 scenario

barb has also almost 3 times the hp pool a wizard has

barb can negate damage with invoke and solid shield, wizard cannot

barb can negate death with cornered, wizard cannot

barb has paralyze spam and purge, wizard doesnt have, wizard also have chances to CC

while we have very similar base damage value, but barb can dps, wiz cannot

balanced? b:pleased

stealth in 1on1 should just be plain forbidden, 6 seconds or 30 seconds wont make difference, since plain stealthing+detect pot "lag" will be just good enough to prevent you to target him and to land most likely a killing blow

Barb vs wiz:

Barb can be kited - Wizard cannot
Wizards can dish out extreme dmg in a short amount of time - Barbs mostly cannot

Barbs don't have purify spell.
The 4 sec paralyze is not enough to kill anyone equally geared cept if you're really lucky + against a wiz you can't hold him in CC due to purify spell.

Barbs need to give up all defensive Apo + genie to be able to catch a running target, especially the ones with purify spell and with jumping skills.

Barbs only have 3 CC skills, a 4 sec paralyze, a high CD 2 sec stun AOE and a 8 sec freeze. (I don't mention alacrity cuz it's not reliable at all)

So the advantage clearly lies at the wizard. While I surely deal loads of dmg it is indeed my aggressive playstyle that's my biggest weakspot. I hate being hit from range. I need to close the gap asap. That wasts so much friggin energy and apo...hell I don't remember the last time I used IG/Pan Gu in a 1on1. I nearly always use shadow binder. Why? Because I have to. else I get kited to death.

Seriously. The way I play anyone could easily kill me. Just kite me until I depleted all my energy/apo and then kill me. I don't play defensively because it sucks as a barb. Else I would be full vit. Just too impatient.

I have an easy time if I can kill a caster within those 4 seconds of paralyze. If I can't do that then it's just a pain. And all that charm ****...(ok granted, I overexaggerate a bit, it's only with wizards. Other caster can't just jump away and are thereby not that much of a problem. DS sucks!) It's a dif. story with melee classes (non purify spell) targets. Those get just wasted by a barb, no prob.

That is why! Tidal Protection or purify spell for barbs plz. Ty. xDDDD

(ofc that's a joke. Would be so massively game breaking...a barb with tidal :DD OP)

Asterelle - Sanctuary

Joe - Morai wrote: »

... no War avatars...

LA and AA classes probably have restated the STR from war avatars and need to equip them to wear gear. You might as well say "no necklaces, no rings, no genies".

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

It isn't just about Assassins, there are matchups that are just plain bad. BM vs any heavy. Assassin vs Anything. Cleric vs anything. Barbarian vs anything. List goes on yo.

Anything vs Archer...

Joe - Morai

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

LA and AA classes probably have restated the STR from war avatars and need to equip them to wear gear. You might as well say "no necklaces, no rings, no genies".

Nah, the gap between avatars is just too high. A full G16 with equal refines + nuema portal can just wreck a r9 player with random A cards. Gear does not make such huges differences. full +10 to full +12 is quite something...but the dmg does not improve that much, mostly only defenses and can hereby be ignored most of the time.

If it's known that such a tournament would take place + the players wanna take part of it...then what stands against restatting? The money? End-game geared players will be able to afford those 5 golds max.

Zanryu - Lothranis

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Barb vs wiz:

Barb can be kited - Wizard cannot
Wizards can dish out extreme dmg in a short amount of time - Barbs mostly cannot

Consider their HP and very strong defensive skills Barbs deal amazing damage. Oh, and they can deal pretty good damage due to a skill that boosts their physical attack, and another that lets them hit for higher skill damage. Oh, and there's also their armor break.

Barbs don't have purify spell.
The 4 sec paralyze is not enough to kill anyone equally geared cept if you're really lucky + against a wiz you can't hold him in CC due to purify spell.

Paralyze will work through Purify Spell, and even if they proc you can just keep spamming it since they aren't gonna be able to move while Paralyzed anyway.

Barbs need to give up all defensive Apo + genie to be able to catch a running target, especially the ones with purify spell and with jumping skills.

So do other classes, it's all about what you want to use in a certain situation. Not that Barbarians even really need defensive apo, Solid Shield will mitigate damage from pretty much everything, even spark combo. You've also got Invoke at your disposal, as well as a Deaden Nervs type buff that removes all debuffs should it be ticked.

Barbs only have 3 CC skills, a 4 sec paralyze, a high CD 2 sec stun AOE and a 8 sec freeze. (I don't mention alacrity cuz it's not reliable at all)

Wizards don't have a whole arsenal of CC either you know. Archers only get a freeze and stun, the seal is rarely used. Seekers only have a freeze, seal, and stun. List goes on.

So the advantage clearly lies at the wizard. While I surely deal loads of dmg it is indeed my aggressive playstyle that's my biggest weakspot. I hate being hit from range. I need to close the gap asap. That wasts so much friggin energy and apo...hell I don't remember the last time I used IG/Pan Gu in a 1on1. I nearly always use shadow binder. Why? Because I have to. else I get kited to death.

It really doesn't. The advantage goes to the Barbarian. Just lolparaspam until they're dead.

Seriously. The way I play anyone could easily kill me. Just kite me until I depleted all my energy/apo and then kill me. I don't play defensively because it sucks as a barb. Else I would be full vit. Just too impatient.

It's extremely difficult to force a Barbarian to use their energy in the first place.

I have an easy time if I can kill a caster within those 4 seconds of paralyze. If I can't do that then it's just a pain. And all that charm ****...(ok granted, I overexaggerate a bit, it's only with wizards. Other caster can't just jump away and are thereby not that much of a problem. DS sucks!) It's a dif. story with melee classes (non purify spell) targets. Those get just wasted by a barb, no prob.

That is why! Tidal Protection or purify spell for barbs plz. Ty. xDDDD

(ofc that's a joke. Would be so massively game breaking...a barb with tidal :DD OP)

Dat red son

XXHotXx - Morai

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Barb vs wiz:

Barb can be kited - Wizard cannot waaaaat how do you kite paralyze spam
Wizards can dish out extreme dmg in a short amount of time - Barbs mostly cannot we used to dish out extreme damage, its deftly not the same thing anymore with lvl 10 passives halving the damage we deal from a fire burst, and still at the cost of chi and genie usage, and barb can just press solid shield\sof to counter the burst

Barbs don't have purify spell. you got dps + gof lol
The 4 sec paralyze is not enough to kill anyone equally geared cept if you're really lucky + against a wiz you can't hold him in CC due to purify spell. you can spam it every 2 seconds between one proc and the other XD this biased Joe lol, paralyze goes trough purify

Barbs need to give up all defensive Apo + genie to be able to catch a running target, especially the ones with purify spell and with jumping skills. are you serious? tiger form gives you movement speed passively

Barbs only have 3 CC skills, a 4 sec paralyze, a high CD 2 sec stun AOE and a 8 sec freeze. (I don't mention alacrity cuz it's not reliable at all) that 4 seconds paralyze can be spammed every 2 seconds between one proc and the other, wizard has a seal and a sleep, rest is chances

So the advantage clearly lies at the wizard. lol, takes teams to take down endgame barbs and you telling me wizard has the advantage in 1v1 While I surely deal loads of dmg it is indeed my aggressive playstyle that's my biggest weakspot. I hate being hit from range. I need to close the gap asap. That wasts so much friggin energy and apo...hell I don't remember the last time I used IG/Pan Gu in a 1on1. I nearly always use shadow binder. Why? Because I have to. else I get kited to death.

Seriously. The way I play anyone could easily kill me. Just kite me until I depleted all my energy/apo and then kill me. I don't play defensively because it sucks as a barb. Else I would be full vit. Just too impatient. that's the problem, a barb that camps defensive playstile like Serga just doesnt die

I have an easy time if I can kill a caster within those 4 seconds of paralyze. If I can't do that then it's just a pain. And all that charm ****...(ok granted, I overexaggerate a bit, it's only with wizards. Other caster can't just jump away and are thereby not that much of a problem. DS sucks!) It's a dif. story with melee classes (non purify spell) targets. Those get just wasted by a barb, no prob.

That is why! Tidal Protection or purify spell for barbs plz. Ty. xDDDD yea then give gof cornered invoke and 60k hp to wizards maybe

(ofc that's a joke. Would be so massively game breaking...a barb with tidal :DD OP)

its 2 months that you brag that barbs are the best class in game, none can beat me blablabla and suddenly now you struggle vs casters? "logic"

only class you should struggle against its assassin

last time we had a 1on1 i had to pull mortal reversion AND fire burst you, while you were just sitting on your 50k hp forcing my genie\apo by 123paralyze123paralyze where the **** is the balance on that

Joe - Morai

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

its 2 months that you brag that barbs are the best class in game, none can beat me blablabla and suddenly now you struggle vs casters? "logic"

only class you should struggle against its assassin

last time we had a 1on1 i had to pull mortal reversion AND fire burst you, while you were just sitting on your 50k hp forcing my genie\apo by 123paralyze123paralyze where the **** is the balance on that

Barbs are indeed the strongest class in the game. Nothing has changed on that account.

But. If you don't die while being paralyzes those 4 seconds...well you can easily run/jump/fly away and kite a barb to death (altho flying...only when ur sure that I got no chi xD).

Personally...I just hate being kited. That only leads to charm **** and what not. A maim reason why I think about going full deity xD then I would have enough dmg to kill any caster within those 4 seconds (: but meh...need money for the moon fairy...

Zanryu - Lothranis

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Barbs are indeed the strongest class in the game. Nothing has changed on that account.

But. If you don't die while being paralyzes those 4 seconds...well you can easily run/jump/fly away and kite a barb to death (altho flying...only when ur sure that I got no chi xD).

Personally...I just hate being kited. That only leads to charm **** and what not. A maim reason why I think about going full deity xD then I would have enough dmg to kill any caster within those 4 seconds (: but meh...need money for the moon fairy...

>strongest class in the game
>easy to kite/kill

u wot m8

The fact that there's any class that has a huge advantage over others makes a 1v1 tournament completely worthless.

Evryn - Morai

I sure as hell won't be around. Not only are the classes imbalanced, the gear difference between players makes such tourneys only accessible to those who've dumped heaps of coins into their toons (such as probably yourself). I get that you aren't getting your PvP needs met on Morai anymore. Perhaps it's time for you to migrate to a PvP server, Joe?

Joe - Morai

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

>strongest class in the game
>easy to kite/kill

u wot m8

The fact that there's any class that has a huge advantage over others makes a 1v1 tournament completely worthless.

The fact is...while the chances are in the favour of barbs it's not crystal clear that the barb will always win. For example...my aggressive playstyle leaves me wide-open for kiting and such. To be exact...one just needs to play heavily defensive until all my stuff is in CD (that happens quite often). Then all they need to do is triple spark and pew pew me to death.

We shall never forget that barbs are really strong but are the kiting victims No.1 and always have been.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

I sure as hell won't be around. Not only are the classes imbalanced, the gear difference between players makes such tourneys only accessible to those who've dumped heaps of coins into their toons (such as probably yourself). I get that you aren't getting your PvP needs met on Morai anymore. Perhaps it's time for you to migrate to a PvP server, Joe?

I'd so wish that gear wouldn't be the problem. Why can't we have tournies with equal gears...we does it have to be like it is now? I don't want the gear gaps. I want challanges. Skilled players are what I seek.

there are some really good and skilled players around that could push our PvP on morai to new hights if they would get endgame gears...damn ._. Get them gears!!!

EDIT: And this game is balanced. Well it would be.

If you could get any gears you want with any shards you want at any given time and you could prepare a genie + gear setup for any specific class you are facing then it would be balanced.

Like you know that a vit barb's got huge surivability but deals marginal skill dmg (cept arma) and you know (as a bm for example) that you wouldn't need all the survivability to survive such a barb then you could go full deity in a fight liek that and so on.

Then we would have a strategic element and would have to adjust to the playstyle of our opponents. That would indeed matter more then the classes themself.

Why can't we have that ._. because PWEs main income is through gears and stuff. But then..that game would be a PvP-masterpiece.

If I would be a millionaire then I'd buy that game and change it to be like that for sure. The other way around I would surely pay a monthly fee for a game like that too.

Evryn - Morai

If I'd be on equal gear on my toons with people, I'd PvP a lot more. 's how you -get- skilled after all. Perhaps that'd be a thought for the tourney - no tome, no war avatars, and just the shopbait white armor pieces and ornies? Levels the playing field, with the exception of nuemas, titles and meridian progress of course (but you can't unequip those).

But as it stands, it doesn't matter how skilled I am - if I get oneshotted from a knife toss, skills aren't the issue. Gear is. And then a tourney as you suggest isn't fun. I don't like to generalise, but I think that's what turns the bulk of the Morai population away from the 1 on 1 pvp stuff.

But prepping a gear set specifically for each situation? You'd get fights that drag on for over an hour, attrition battles that end only when a charm burns out. A fully fortified BM versus a barbarian? Defense vs defense. They'd not be able to kill eachother if played properly.

Joe - Morai

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

If I'd be on equal gear on my toons with people, I'd PvP a lot more. 's how you -get- skilled after all. Perhaps that'd be a thought for the tourney - no tome, no war avatars, and just the shopbait white armor pieces and ornies? Levels the playing field, with the exception of nuemas, titles and meridian progress of course (but you can't unequip those).

But as it stands, it doesn't matter how skilled I am - if I get oneshotted from a knife toss, skills aren't the issue. Gear is. And then a tourney as you suggest isn't fun. I don't like to generalise, but I think that's what turns the bulk of the Morai population away from the 1 on 1 pvp stuff.

But prepping a gear set specifically for each situation? You'd get fights that drag on for over an hour, attrition battles that end only when a charm burns out. A fully fortified BM versus a barbarian? Defense vs defense. They'd not be able to kill eachother if played properly.

Thats why you should be able to perform matches. so after each fight you could switch gears to come up with a fitting counterstrategy. Full josd brb vs full josd barb...would be...well xDDDD But a full str/deity Barb can beat a full vit/josd barb dmg wise. But meh, all that stuff is never going to happen unfortunatly...

NPC gears wouldn't be an option. With all those skill upgrades and skill dmg...you could easily one-shot ppl then only via skill dmg. We would need like r8r-style armour for stuff like that. Personally r8r is very balanced in terms of DMG and defenses. But hell...as if anyone would just get a set of r8r armour just for a tourni xDDD

Zanryu - Lothranis

Joe - Morai wrote: »

The fact is...while the chances are in the favour of barbs it's not crystal clear that the barb will always win. For example...my aggressive playstyle leaves me wide-open for kiting and such. To be exact...one just needs to play heavily defensive until all my stuff is in CD (that happens quite often). Then all they need to do is triple spark and pew pew me to death.

We shall never forget that barbs are really strong but are the kiting victims No.1 and always have been.

If you're a Barbarian that's playing on full offense there's no way you aren't forcing their genie or apo. I can force genie/apo as a BM when stunlocking, and that's with a defensive genie on so I can't put pressure on with any debuffs aside from HF (which I tend to save). You've got an armor break, physical attack boost, and a physical attack buff along with the ability to spam your Paralyze. If your opponent still has a genie and chi to use against you after absorbing everything you can throw at them and can still come at you with triple spark combos you must be doing something wrong honestly. Even I don't get triple sparked, except by one scrub Archer who doesn't seem to think I can't just Blade Hurl him. Even though he's triple sparked like 20 times and every time I've taken away his weapon without fail.

Joe - Morai

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

If you're a Barbarian that's playing on full offense there's no way you aren't forcing their genie or apo. I can force genie/apo as a BM when stunlocking, and that's with a defensive genie on so I can't put pressure on with any debuffs aside from HF (which I tend to save). You've got an armor break, physical attack boost, and a physical attack buff along with the ability to spam your Paralyze. If your opponent still has a genie and chi to use against you after absorbing everything you can throw at them and can still come at you with triple spark combos you must be doing something wrong honestly. Even I don't get triple sparked, except by one scrub Archer who doesn't seem to think I can't just Blade Hurl him. Even though he's triple sparked like 20 times and every time I've taken away his weapon without fail.

Well, the problem is that I'm usually overexaggerating stuff and such. I happens to me once and I make a big fuzz about it...and that's pretty much it. Maybe it even happened under unfair circumstances and all...but still. Barbs should be OP enough to beat anyone, anytime. At least that's what I believe sometimes xDDD my fault.