Camping Primal issue again

Lavica - Lost City

Hi all.I allready asked on forum,but ppl still pming me thay will report me for camping primal.So just to say,i allready asked,so if thay try to report me just to remaind no one told camping primal is bannable,ty.

TZoner - Raging Tide

Since you clearly didn't read what was posted in the last post about it I will re quote what was said by sparkiesoft regarding pking players.

sparkiesoft wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wanted to clarify a few things since I seem to be seeing some complaints here on the forums (and via our ticket system). If you roll on a PvP server, then you sign yourself up to be killed by the enemy at any time, anywhere. As long as players are not exploiting terrain/glitching to achieve this, then they are doing nothing wrong. While it does hinder progress, that is the whole idea of a PvP server. Since that is the premise, we unfortunately cannot do anything.

Hopefully that clears things up, and if you have any questions feel free to ask.

-Just a mini update. If it gets to the point that you are killing someone continually, non-stop, then we will consider it harassment, PvP server or not. If it's just a few times, or for a short amount, then it's fine.

I would pay particular attention to the red highlighted text.

Lavica - Lost City

Ok...ty.

And offcourse i didnt pay atention when first 2 post was from trash talkers,i think that was not my fault,I just asked question politely and wanted only answers from ppl who wana help me,sorry.

Can anyone also tell how many times i can kill someone in what time radius and how many times on one same quest spot?Thank you.

After i get that answer i will start paying atention.

But rly dont know why ppl must complain.In morning Alliance X camping primal and no one report them.But at night when ppl from Alliance Y come online then all that ppl from Alliance X dont wana show and fight alliance Y.Instead fighting thay just wana go on report harrashment card...

If anyone report me today just wana say to not ban me because i didnt know of those rules(eaven if thay are not logical on pvp server).And from tomorow i will do same thing that ppl from other Alliance do(If i see that i cant win will just start making screenshots and go on harrashment ban).

Thank you

freygin

The red highlighted text seems to contradict the white text b:chuckle

PvP is PvP in every sense of the word, period.

opkossy

Well... you didn't have to ask for it to be closed if you were just going to remake the thread, you know...

Lavica - Lost City wrote: »

Can anyone also tell how many times i can kill someone in what time radius and how many times on one same quest spot?Thank you.

This is intentionally left unknown for us so it can be analyzed on a case-by-case basis and to prevent people from trying to wiggle their way around it to avoid a ban. A good rule of thumb is if you're asked politely to not kill someone that isn't fighting back and you've already killed them, it's a good idea to stop.

DoodsWH - Sanctuary

pk is pk , just do it regardless. I did, they even said they would report me. jsut ignore it, especially on a PVP server. most of the people i spammed where spammed for a reason. on the other hand i have been spammed in my early days of pk. thats why its called player killer. people camp the pk carts, west, silverpool. *shrugs* just keep on keeping on. its what i used to do until pk died on my pve serverb:laugh

Socqar - Lost City

OPKossy wrote: »

Well... you didn't have to ask for it to be closed if you were just going to remake the thread, you know...



This is intentionally left unknown for us so it can be analyzed on a case-by-case basis and to prevent people from trying to wiggle their way around it to avoid a ban. A good rule of thumb is if you're asked politely to not kill someone that isn't fighting back and you've already killed them, it's a good idea to stop.

That's the point, when you start saying you wn't fight back, and record a total of 10 times being killed while just trying to do your quests, repetedly askin in whisper chat to stop as you wn't fight back because you're just rushing for rl stuff but wanna do dailies...

Yes, some behaviours deserve a ban...

Btw, posting on forum won't help you, Support won't ever check forum for info... It's all about how you handle personal relations ingame more than anything else

Lavica - Lost City

Socqar - Lost City wrote: »

That's the point, when you start saying you wn't fight back, and record a total of 10 times being killed while just trying to do your quests, repetedly askin in whisper chat to stop as you wn't fight back because you're just rushing for rl stuff but wanna do dailies...

Yes, some behaviours deserve a ban...

Btw, posting on forum won't help you, Support won't ever check forum for info... It's all about how you handle personal relations ingame more than anything else

Aren't we all just trying to do quest?Aren't we all just rushing to finish primal quests?Then everytime when someone kill me he deserve a ban i gues cos i allways rush to finish primal so i can do other dailiys.

Earlyer in that day your guild camped whole primal cos there was no one online from other alliance to resist them.My friend Iojo got killed 8 times and no one complained.I eaven neaded to to start trash talking on world chat to provoke them to move pk on some other region instead primal so my guild can finish primal quests,and that hellped.So if you cant win just try to use brain not harrashment card.

Socqar your situation is clear.I have screenshot how you fought me 5 mins before I camped you.When you lost you realised you cant win,and that best is to go on harrashment card...I dont worry about your situation.

OPKossy wrote: »

Well... you didn't have to ask for it to be closed if you were just going to remake the thread, you know...



This is intentionally left unknown for us so it can be analyzed on a case-by-case basis and to prevent people from trying to wiggle their way around it to avoid a ban. A good rule of thumb is if you're asked politely to not kill someone that isn't fighting back and you've already killed them, it's a good idea to stop.

So how i get it,when someone see me he just need to pm me "Pls dont kill me i am rushing and just wana finish my quest",and he can ban me if i atack him after he pm me that,cool thing.Exept milions of screenshots sent to support from now on and half of server baned...

Eoria - Harshlands

Generally, if you're not straight up stalking one or two people around every single map (all of world map/OHT/Heaven+Hell/Morai/Primal, if that wasn't clear), you're fine.

Most of the people that complain about "quest blocking" also pk other people while they're doing dailies. They just use that as an excuse to report people they don't like to try and get them banned.

Jadsia - Lost City

Socqar - Lost City wrote: »

That's the point, when you start saying you wn't fight back, and record a total of 10 times being killed while just trying to do your quests, repetedly askin in whisper chat to stop as you wn't fight back because you're just rushing for rl stuff but wanna do dailies...

Yes, some behaviours deserve a ban...

Btw, posting on forum won't help you, Support won't ever check forum for info... It's all about how you handle personal relations ingame more than anything else

Lavica - Lost City wrote: »

Aren't we all just trying to do quest?Aren't we all just rushing to finish primal quests?Then everytime when someone kill me he deserve a ban i gues cos i allways rush to finish primal so i can do other dailiys.

Earlyer in that day your guild camped whole primal cos there was no one online from other alliance to resist them.My friend Iojo got killed 8 times and no one complained.I eaven neaded to to start trash talking on world chat to provoke them to move pk on some other region instead primal so my guild can finish primal quests,and that hellped.So if you cant win just try to use brain not harrashment card.

Socqar your situation is clear.I have screenshot how you fought me 5 mins before I camped you.When you lost you realised you cant win,and that best is to go on harrashment card...I dont worry about your situation.





So how i get it,when someone see me he just need to pm me "Pls dont kill me i am rushing and just wana finish my quest",and he can ban me if i atack him after he pm me that,cool thing.Exept milions of screenshots sent to support from now on and half of server baned...

The way I interpret Sparkie's addendum to his PK on a PvP server post is if you make it a personal issue with the person you are killing then it becomes a problem. I mean if you purposefully lay in wait to kill them or follow them around the game killing them just to deprive them of enjoying the game then that in my opinion is harassment and it should be a against the ToS.

However I'm not so clear about this if one makes it a personal issue to target any and all of a certain faction. I'm leaning towards that being fair game play on a PvP server because the game allows for factions to create policies for alliances and war enemies with other factions. That to me means a person from faction A which is at war against faction B should be able to target any member of faction B and KoS. But I think there should be some discretion with that. My faction has 18 members and at most I've seen 3 action online at any given time lately. To have a 190 member faction A take on 3 members online of faction B that itself would seem like it is depriving members of faction B from playing the game and in my view is a problem.


It should all boil down to what is sensible and a lot of situations can create that slippery slope which borders the fence on either way. With that said and since I'm somewhat familiar with the animosities between at least 6 factions on LC server I get the feeling the OP isn't camping single individuals but members of an enemy faction who have alliances with other factions and have the opportunity to go to guild chat and call for help in dealing with the OP and his factions and allies. To me this PK is part of the game.

Oh, by the way if one gets PKd then proceeds to trash talk the PKer or the PKer's faction and/or friends in common or world chat to me that is no different than taunting and diminishes any validity to a PK harassment claim. I'm not a Pker. It's something I do not like to do even if I get PKed but when I see trash talking in WC from someone who was PKd against a PKer I will trash talk that QQer myself in WC because to me that is taunting and I see that as publicly challenging the PKer.


So, Lavi, if you are just targeting others because of their faction I think the safest thing you can do is to PM or post public in chat that their faction and allies are on your faction's KoS list and you are defending your faction's honor if it has any. Just kidding. Then screen shot that reply chat when they threaten to have you banned. Also screen shot all the trash talk to you as well. As I mentioned subtly trash talking is provocative and taunting.

Evryn - Morai

DoodsWH - Sanctuary wrote: »

pk is pk , just do it regardless. I did, they even said they would report me. jsut ignore it, especially on a PVP server. most of the people i spammed where spammed for a reason. on the other hand i have been spammed in my early days of pk. thats why its called player killer. people camp the pk carts, west, silverpool. *shrugs* just keep on keeping on. its what i used to do until pk died on my pve serverb:laugh

With that attitude it is no wonder PvP died on your server. You're (part of) the problem there.

When playing a game against other people, please keep in mind that everyone, both you and the others, are after having fun. If what you do will destroy the fun for the others, then yes, you will end up with noone to play with. Personally I think the mentality displayed by you DoodsWH, is exactly the kind that the GMs should take action against. With a hard ban if need be.

DoodsWH - Sanctuary

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

With that attitude it is no wonder PvP died on your server. You're (part of) the problem there.

When playing a game against other people, please keep in mind that everyone, both you and the others, are after having fun. If what you do will destroy the fun for the others, then yes, you will end up with noone to play with. Personally I think the mentality displayed by you DoodsWH, is exactly the kind that the GMs should take action against. With a hard ban if need be.

Just lol. the reason it died is most peopel that got banned moved to other servers on top of people quitting the game. the carebears that QQ are still here. also i dont get banned bro. never have

b:pleased

Vedovis - Lost City

I feel as if in Primal, if you are constantly running into a person who is KOS you are allowed to PK them again. Not actively hunting, but if they show up at the daily you have gone to, that should be fair game.
Funnily enough I had a member of Alliance A follow me around and poke me over and over, then pulling the "you're harrasing me/I'm reporting you for camping" card after I kept poking them back. People are always going to cry harassment.

Verenor - Morai

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

With that attitude it is no wonder PvP died on your server. You're (part of) the problem there.

When playing a game against other people, please keep in mind that everyone, both you and the others, are after having fun. If what you do will destroy the fun for the others, then yes, you will end up with noone to play with. Personally I think the mentality displayed by you DoodsWH, is exactly the kind that the GMs should take action against. With a hard ban if need be.

+1. The whole reason PK dies is because people take the fun out of it with trashtalking, 'provoking' and camping people who are 0% threat, leaving the newer playerbase and the older uninterested in fighting them for 'fun' pvp.

If people want PK so badly, show some sportsmanship. Not this raging "my e-peen is bigger than yours"

fluentsar

Lavica - Lost City wrote: »

Aren't we all just trying to do quest?Aren't we all just rushing to finish primal quests?

I laughed. Heartily. Where is the justification for killing someone more than once who is A) no threat (from being tremendously outgeared) and not seeking to PK back?b:chuckle Oh LC, you amaze me.

Either way - nothing or not much will be done. Nothing has been done in a long time and I doubt that is about to change. Keep camping, for the glory of guild politics!b:victory

Socqar - Lost City

fluentsar wrote: »

I laughed. Heartily. Where is the justification for killing someone more than once who is A) no threat (from being tremendously outgeared) and not seeking to PK back?b:chuckle Oh LC, you amaze me.

Either way - nothing or not much will be done. Nothing has been done in a long time and I doubt that is about to change. Keep camping, for the glory of guild politics!b:victory

The hole point is, for example in this case:

1v1, I lose, fair fight, both buffed, was nice. Go back to doing dailies... then, be camped unbuffed by a buffed enemie, say "it's late, I just wanna do dailies, we had our fight", that person just ignores and keeps caming quest-spot for... 10 Kills? more? Without a single shot back, and repetedly saying you won't fight back because you simply are in a rush...

Yeah well, some ppl enjoy kililng pl that won't fight back, THAT is real pvp!

opkossy

Lavica - Lost City wrote: »

So how i get it,when someone see me he just need to pm me "Pls dont kill me i am rushing and just wana finish my quest",and he can ban me if i atack him after he pm me that,cool thing.Exept milions of screenshots sent to support from now on and half of server baned...

And this is why it's left as something that isn't clearly defined. b:sweat


I hope you're aware that what you're claiming you plan on is something that will wind up with you being the one to get banned for making a plethora of false reports.

Jadsia - Lost City

Vedovis - Lost City wrote: »

I feel as if in Primal, if you are constantly running into a person who is KOS you are allowed to PK them again. Not actively hunting, but if they show up at the daily you have gone to, that should be fair game.
Funnily enough I had a member of Alliance A follow me around and poke me over and over, then pulling the "you're harrasing me/I'm reporting you for camping" card after I kept poking them back. People are always going to cry harassment.

People who make the choice to join factions which PK or RPK automatically assume the status of becoming a target. It's no different than choosing to roll on a PvP server. To me it doesn't matter if you are like me and don't like to PK. When one joins a faction like they give up that status of a non PK individual by taking on the identity of the group as a whole thus shouldn't have any reason to QQ when enemy factions take them out even repeatedly. It's no longer a 1 on 1 issue at that point because it's a group versus group issue and a single member of that group is a representative of that group whether they like it or not. That makes them fair game regardless of their feelings. If they don't like it then they should have never joined a faction which PKs or RPKs in the 1st place and they should get out of it.

When people on a PvP server decide to join a faction they need to ensure they understand the policies of their faction of choice and the ramifications which comes with it amongst other factions and players.

Lavica - Lost City

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

People who make the choice to join factions which PK or RPK automatically assume the status of becoming a target. It's no different than choosing to roll on a PvP server. To me it doesn't matter if you are like me and don't like to PK. When one joins a faction like they give up that status of a non PK individual and shouldn't have any reason to QQ when enemy factions take them out even repeatedly. It's no longer a 1 on 1 issue at that point because it's a group versus group issue and a single member of that group is a representative of that group whether they like it or not. That makes them fair game regardless of their feelings. If they don't like it then they should have never joined a faction which PKs or RPKs in the 1st place and they should get out of it.

When people on a PvP server decide to join a faction they need to ensure they understand the policies of their faction of choice and the ramifications which comes with it amongst other factions and players.

Exactly that.

Thats why i never threatened anyone who camp ppl from my guild that i will ban them,instead that I try to kill some of them so my ppl from guild dont feel week.Thats a game,if you dont like it just leave game.And we never started atacking first cos we are not RPK faction,we didnt "KOS" oposite Alliance,thay did "KOS" us and now thay wana report us for defending and revenging for thier camping us?

You can allways leave guild who is in one of Alliances and other alliance will not pk you,Or atleast my guild.

TZoner - Raging Tide

For all intentions of intelligent reasoning.....by the way the OP words the starting of the thread and OP's second comment one could easily say OP is trying to enjoy pvp and kill as many people as possible within reason and not break the rules by having it being considered harrassment. However this is also of a problem in itself in my opinion. If one has to come to forums to find out the maximum amount of times a person can kill someone before its considered harrassment couldnt a person argue that that person is already at the point of being a harrassing pker? Discuss.

Jadsia - Lost City

TZoner - Raging Tide wrote: »

For all intentions of intelligent reasoning.....by the way the OP words the starting of the thread and OP's second comment one could easily say OP is trying to enjoy pvp and kill as many people as possible within reason and not break the rules by having it being considered harrassment. However this is also of a problem in itself in my opinion. If one has to come to forums to find out the maximum amount of times a person can kill someone before its considered harrassment couldnt a person argue that that person is already at the point of being a harrassing pker? Discuss.

Not in this case. As I mentioned earlier this issue is related to an open map guild war. It even spans multiple guilds - I'd say about 6 or more at least. I was in one of the guilds which had the OP's guild on a KoS list. It is not a 1 v 1 issue here. It's far more dynamic then that. A majority of people in those guilds are white named and don't PvP but some do. And when those some do PvP they represent everyone in the guild they are in so everyone in that guild becomes a target for vengeance white name or not regardless of how they feel. I was part of that and dealt with it before I left one of those 6 or so factions. It came with the territory of me choosing to be in that guild.

If the OP is avenging his guild members against white named people in a guild which is PKing the OP's guild members then that's just tough luck. As I stated in my last post each guild member takes on the identity of the guild they choose to be in. The individual may be white named but if members of their guild are PKing or RPKing then the guild itself is considered red named. And if the guild is red named then that individual is considered red named as well. That KoS list did not specify certain members of enemy guilds. It meant every member of that KoS guild is fair game as a target. The best option for one who has a problem being PKd like this is to leave the guild.

I don't consider this harassment because it's not a personal vendetta against a single individual.

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AssasinPower - Lost City

Lavica - Lost City wrote: »

Exactly that.

Thats why i never threatened anyone who camp ppl from my guild that i will ban them,instead that I try to kill some of them so my ppl from guild dont feel week.Thats a game,if you dont like it just leave game.And we never started atacking first cos we are not RPK faction,we didnt "KOS" oposite Alliance,thay did "KOS" us and now thay wana report us for defending and revenging for thier camping us?

You can allways leave guild who is in one of Alliances and other alliance will not pk you,Or atleast my guild.

thats why u run around in primal with your 2 alts and trying to get ppl banned ? Amusing as hell b:laugh
Lavica is a person who will be killed no matter what.... if he has a guild or not bc he is the biggest crying kiddo on the server talking bs in WC forever

BTW: i think going to primal with an ALT trying to intentionally BAN ppl using the harrassment card should be bannable or not ? so lets report each other because u dont like to loose in pvp ?b:victory

Jadsia - Lost City

AssasinPower - Lost City wrote: »

thats why u run around in primal with your 2 alts and trying to get ppl banned ? Amusing as hell b:laugh
Lavica is a person who will be killed no matter what.... if he has a guild or not bc he is the biggest crying kiddo on the server talking bs in WC forever

BTW: i think going to primal with an ALT trying to intentionally BAN ppl using the harrassment card should be bannable or not ? so lets report each other because u dont like to loose in pvp ?b:victory

I like his frothy faction icon though

Verenor - Morai

Just a wild guess but:

- Running around on alts baiting people into PK/Harassment issues is easily tracked back by IP's, including these forums and the IP's to your accounts. GG you just ruined your own plan and risk bans yourself if it ever came to it.

- Pretty darn pathetic to bait people into getting bans like that, I thought you wanted to have PvP, not "who get's who banned first". It's the whole reason PWI became so soft on banning people thanks to abusers like you, and now we're stuck with actual scammers/stupid linkspamming alts who never get bans.

paralleogram

Lavica - Lost City wrote: »

Exactly that.

Thats why i never threatened anyone who camp ppl from my guild that i will ban them,instead that I try to kill some of them so my ppl from guild dont feel week.Thats a game,if you dont like it just leave game.And we never started atacking first cos we are not RPK faction,we didnt "KOS" oposite Alliance,thay did "KOS" us and now thay wana report us for defending and revenging for thier camping us?

You can allways leave guild who is in one of Alliances and other alliance will not pk you,Or atleast my guild.

sorry this statement is FALSE. Your illustrious director camps people in primal all the time. Killing the same people over and over and over if they leave SZ and try to quest (also following same people around from town to do the same) This is why your tiny faction has been put on KOS by "The alliance".

This "alliance" now attacks your weaker members and you 3 (you, your bm, and director) now run around primal killing everything in revenge... when you really started it. Pot calling the kettle black much?

Kill 1x and move on. Repeatedly killing the same 1 shot person is really stroking your ego that much? It really proves nothing except reinforces the fact that not many like you for a reason. Oh I forgot, you are a big, bad tough archer (bm or sin depending) that shouldn't be messed with.

Socqar - Lost City

paralleogram wrote: »

sorry this statement is FALSE. Your illustrious director camps people in primal all the time. Killing the same people over and over and over if they leave SZ and try to quest (also following same people around from town to do the same) This is why your tiny faction has been put on KOS by "The alliance".

This "alliance" now attacks your weaker members and you 3 (you, your bm, and director) now run around primal killing everything in revenge... when you really started it. Pot calling the kettle black much?

Kill 1x and move on. Repeatedly killing the same 1 shot person is really stroking your ego that much? It really proves nothing except reinforces the fact that not many like you for a reason. Oh I forgot, you are a big, bad tough archer (bm or sin depending) that shouldn't be messed with.

It works to make points for the pvp ranking Ain't that legit? *hides*

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

So what do the harassers get a temp ban or a slap on the wrist or something? >.>

TZoner - Raging Tide

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

So what do the harassers get a temp ban or a slap on the wrist or something? >.>

Depends on how much money they CSed xDb:chuckle

angellicdeity

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Not in this case. As I mentioned earlier this issue is related to an open map guild war. It even spans multiple guilds - I'd say about 6 or more at least. I was in one of the guilds which had the OP's guild on a KoS list. It is not a 1 v 1 issue here. It's far more dynamic then that. A majority of people in those guilds are white named and don't PvP but some do. And when those some do PvP they represent everyone in the guild they are in so everyone in that guild becomes a target for vengeance white name or not regardless of how they feel. I was part of that and dealt with it before I left one of those 6 or so factions. It came with the territory of me choosing to be in that guild.

If the OP is avenging his guild members against white named people in a guild which is PKing the OP's guild members then that's just tough luck. As I stated in my last post each guild member takes on the identity of the guild they choose to be in. The individual may be white named but if members of their guild are PKing or RPKing then the guild itself is considered red named. And if the guild is red named then that individual is considered red named as well. That KoS list did not specify certain members of enemy guilds. It meant every member of that KoS guild is fair game as a target. The best option for one who has a problem being PKd like this is to leave the guild.

I don't consider this harassment because it's not a personal vendetta against a single individual.

I think its difficult for people on PvE servers to understand what all-out-war means on PvP servers.

Funniest thing I've seen was people going as far to give nerfing psychic buffs before KoS entered PV.


But in seriousness, one small poke while doing dailies can cause mass PvP which will see everyone unable to complete dailies for hours.


As a small guild you have to be careful not to get involved. If you're seen with a pink name when any one of the warring factions dies you can be assured that +12 JoSD/Full S-card/Full Engraving/3x105 characters will be destroying your guild-members.

Jadsia - Lost City

angellicdeity wrote: »

I think its difficult for people on PvE servers to understand what all-out-war means on PvP servers.

Funniest thing I've seen was people going as far to give nerfing psychic buffs before KoS entered PV.


But in seriousness, one small poke while doing dailies can cause mass PvP which will see everyone unable to complete dailies for hours.


As a small guild you have to be careful not to get involved. If you're seen with a pink name when any one of the warring factions dies you can be assured that +12 JoSD/Full S-card/Full Engraving/3x105 characters will be destroying your guild-members.

In the early days years ago before FC was perverted into what it became some were creating zhen parties on those spider mobs in the frozen path area up north. Every now and then some major faction wars erupted over the who had the privilege of killing those mobs. It was hilarious to watch the WC drama and trash talking. Yeah things on a PvP server get really dynamic and entertaining/