Why?

mechabeastmc666

Someone asked an interesting question just now, Regardless of How you got the gear, It cost Money. Big money. the question is, Why spend so much Real life money(well into the Thousands) or "In-game-coins" on Rank 9 gear Just to have a BigGer badder spending and charger to One shot you? All of your hard work and sweat that went into getting that gear, Is shattered, Summed up into One shot from a cash shopper who spent More. How does that make you feel? Whats the purpose? Why get R9 gear if it's not gonna be +12? tHE Bigger cashshopper with the +12 will easily Kill you. No matter How much Skill you have,You cant survive a +12 magic wep from ie: a Pysic or a wizard. With a press of a button a Cash shopper Wins.He could have been playing for a year at the Most, and he destroys you within a matter of seconds, You who has been playing 5-6 years+ So why even get R9 in the first place if its not +12 with defense lvl shard in all slots?


Also, i personally have 0 characters with Rank 9. Im asking this for someone with R9 +5 immacs shards, point of view. How does it make you feel? To spend so much and be brushed aside like a mistake on a food order? b:laugh

Ibunneh - Raging Tide

It feels quite f b:shutup king fantastic! I still make the t3 players QQ and scream and run, so yes, it feels pretty f b:shutup king fantastic!

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

Compared to some of my other hobbies, going r9rr and decent refines thus far with RL money in the game, is a small drop in the bucket. And I bought it because I enjoy playing PWI and will for a long time to come. Funny though, other than NW I have no interest in PvP. While I work hard for my salary, why not spend my money on what I want? I save plenty, pay all my bills and it should bother no one else what I spend my money on.

Deadalus - Harshlands

The thing is that you compare a hardcore cash shopper who definitely exist to a player who plays pwi for like 5-6 years and doesnt have r9.

I mean what did the player spend his money on? surely not on gear or else he would have r9 or g16+10 to the very least.

I dont understand people who tells me that they play for 5 years or up and didnt even had a single item on +10 but has the newest new new new new pack fashion which goes for 200mil when it comes out (or even more).

When we consider casual players, well those players either drop a few in the game to keep up or well.. stick around with g16 gear trash refines.

Its fact you can clearly see people who care about how their toon performs in dungeons and/or pvp and people who do not and rather stack up fashion or have 20 toons with trash gear.


I agree on the point that a cash shopper can humiliate you in seconds regardless of your skill but only to a certan extent. when you bought usefull things with your coin made in the looong playtime you had, you can keep up with the normal cash shoppers, the realy hardcore ones are a different story if you ask me (+12 everything, JoSD everywhere, red cape/helm g16 cube neck, engravings only the best and nuema portal)

sondok

I got R9 because I was in a TW competitive guild. I had HH99 and then Rank 8 and the next step was R9. I knew to be on a playing field that I would need to get it. I didn't spend actual money on it but I did spend a lot of time in game to get it. I don't regret it, again at the time I played the game a lot and my guild it was expected. If I spent money on it I would have probably not quit for the time that I did and probably take this game more seriously. It does make me slightly upset when I'm a 1 shot(even though truthfully I've always been one) but at this time, I don't care that much about this game to justify CSing R9 3rd cast and shards and refines.

Jadsia - Lost City

When are you going to QQ about venos buying 4 legendary pets? They aren't cheap either.

WannaBM - Archosaur

I agree on the ludicracy of cashshopping. Farming/merching your gear is the essence of MMORPG. If you are too lazy or dont have the time to play MMORPGs, there are plenty of other games around where no farming neither paying is required, just pure PvP on a fair playing field. There are even opportunities to play the exact same game in a setting where everyone has free acces to end game gear.

Choosing a game that does not offer a fair PvP playing field but instead requires people to obtain gear worth thousands of dollars.. Well, no need to explain any more, everyone can fill this in for himself.

That said, not all of the CSers are noobs who just hit a button. Some of them are actually rather skilled. And it is quite possible to rival them without CSing. Theres plenty of people who done it.

ovenusarmanio

Why does anyone who isn't the top 1% of gamers even bother playing video games really? How can you possibly have fun playing a video game if you aren't the best player with the best everything, bar none? Boggles the minds how anyone could have a different definition of fun than me. I think I'm gonna write a novel about it.

WannaBM - Archosaur

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Why does anyone who isn't the top 1% of gamers even bother playing video games really? How can you possibly have fun playing a video game if you aren't the best player with the best everything, bar none? Boggles the minds how anyone could have a different definition of fun than me. I think I'm gonna write a novel about it.

Of course there is a difference. A difference between losing to someone who is more skilled/experienced and losing to someone who just spend some dollars. (although actually the later is much less frustrating for someone who wants to be the best as it gives him an excuse for his loss. Obviously thats why many people accuse EVERY better geared person to be a CSer)
A difference between games against AI that are played just for fun, and a game against other players for competition.

Competition is the essence of most games. A fair playing field is the essence of competition.

ovenusarmanio

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Of course there is a difference. A difference between losing to someone who is more skilled/experienced and losing to someone who just spend some dollars. (although actually the later is much less frustrating for someone who wants to be the best as it gives him an excuse for his loss)
A difference between games against AI that are played just for fun, and a game against other players for competition.

Competition is the essence of most games. A fair playing field is the essence of competition.
They didnt design chess with 2 queens on 1 side. (one side getting to move first is more than bad enough)

I'm not gonna argue that the game is balanced, or that there isn't a difference. But that is still no reason to act like someone has no valid reason for purchasing r9 if they can't afford to gear it up with tons of refines. Or for why someone feels the need to do anything that makes this game fun for them. It doesn't matter what you, or I, I think when it comes to that. How someone else wants to spend their money is their own business so long as they aren't hurting themselves or others. Not everyone gives a gosh darn about being the best of the best.

And some people find spending money to compete with people are more serious with their gaming more fun than not. There are even tournaments with various types of games IRL that you have to buy-in to, to be able to compete. A casual person isn't likely to make that type of investment, so it weeds out the people who aren't as serious about it as you are. That's one, very valid reason I can think of off the top of my head why someone would actually seek out a p2w game. And indeed, F2P/P2W games are a popular subgenre of game that makes plenty of money because there are people out there who enjoy them.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Of course, they arent harming anyone and i wont try to stop them. We, the non cashshoppers some of whom appearently feel victimized ( i dont) joined this P2W game out of our own choise. We too could have chosen for a game with a fair playing field.

I do however think it is wise to look at the psychology of cashshopping for those who do it or consider doing it. And i am all to happy to remind people of it now and then. That is my freedom just as much as it is others freedom to cashshop. Similarly like it is other peoples freedom to remind me of the dangers of drugs which i do without harming anyone. (Although, i loathe the people who feel they are in their right to make those illegal. indeed, they can say what they think, but should stop trying to force other people following their thoughts)

Marengo - Lost City

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

the question is, Why spend so much Real life money(well into the Thousands) or "In-game-coins" on Rank 9 gear Just to have a BigGer badder spending and charger to One shot you?
So why even get R9 in the first place if its not +12 with defense lvl shard in all slots?

1) Many players are pve and r9r unsharded and slightly refined is fine for pve. You don't need to be +12 for that.
2) Who said you need to cs? R9r isn't so expensive nowadays, it's been on almost permanent sale for years. Even slow farmers who play long enough and whose income comes from BH only have a chance to get it if they don't spend much money on anything else.

Also, i personally have 0 characters with Rank 9. Im asking this for someone with R9 +5 immacs shards, point of view. How does it make you feel? To spend so much and be brushed aside like a mistake on a food order?

Even if you are full +12 and josd, you can get 1shot. Tragedy. Let's ALL uninstall game, no one is safe b:laugh

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

I dont understand people who tells me that they play for 5 years or up and didnt even had a single item on +10 but has the newest new new new new pack fashion which goes for 200mil when it comes out (or even more).

Not all enjoy gear and refines. Some prefer fashion/flights etc over stats and it's their right and their interest. I have no problems with them if they can do their job in squad decently. I won't be happy to see ppl in squad who can't play properly and wear tatters making whole squad wait till they respawn in the 10th time, but it's not actually my business to pick at their rarest-pure-white fashion for that. I met 2,5k hp mystic in caster nv, 4k hp cleric in FS, hh90 barb in FS who didn't fail the squad. As long as they know what to do, I'm fine with everything.

I even envy them a bit b:surrender because they are satisfied with cosmetic features of the game, fashion costs way less than good armor b:chuckle

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

I agree on the ludicracy of cashshopping. Farming/merching your gear is the essence of MMORPG. If you are too lazy or dont have the time to play MMORPGs, there are plenty of other games around where no farming neither paying is required, just pure PvP on a fair playing field.

Well, I don't think you can point out what game others should play according to their pay/playing style. PW provides the way to catch up with cs, so they use it without breaking any rules. It's how the game is designed. They chose it for a reason, they like it, it's their business what to do and how to achieve things. Maybe it's you who shouldn't play this game since you dislike its natural option? b:puzzled
Same as many like to say "if you do a lot of things solo, you shouldn't play mmo, it's a team game". Since game provides legal ways to play as you like, you may do whatever you wish.
Or QQ on forum that everything is not to your liking b:avoid

I believe some people should stop forcing their ideas of fun upon others. Everyone can decide for himself.

meranya

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

The thing is that you compare a hardcore cash shopper who definitely exist to a player who plays pwi for like 5-6 years and doesnt have r9.

I mean what did the player spend his money on? surely not on gear or else he would have r9 or g16+10 to the very least.

I dont understand people who tells me that they play for 5 years or up and didnt even had a single item on +10 but has the newest new new new new pack fashion which goes for 200mil when it comes out (or even more).

When we consider casual players, well those players either drop a few in the game to keep up or well.. stick around with g16 gear trash refines.

Its fact you can clearly see people who care about how their toon performs in dungeons and/or pvp and people who do not and rather stack up fashion or have 20 toons with trash gear.


I agree on the point that a cash shopper can humiliate you in seconds regardless of your skill but only to a certan extent. when you bought usefull things with your coin made in the looong playtime you had, you can keep up with the normal cash shoppers, the realy hardcore ones are a different story if you ask me (+12 everything, JoSD everywhere, red cape/helm g16 cube neck, engravings only the best and nuema portal)

Many have played for 5 years and don't have r9, but run around in 'G16 with trash refines'. It doesn't mean they don't take the game seriously, or that they fail at doing instances. (G16 even with trash refines is quite good for PvE as it is now)

It's just that not many people have the luxury of disposable income, or if they do, choose to spend their money on something else. Should that mean we must look at them as being inferior or not taking the game 'seriously' enough?

b:shocked

Annonrae - Sanctuary

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

How does it make you feel? To spend so much and be brushed aside like a mistake on a food order? b:laugh

You're assuming that everyone's ego here is so fragile that having their pixels killed by other pixels will crush them, regardless of what kind of gear they have. The majority of people I know on this game - cash shoppers and non-csers both - laugh it off if they die in a PVP situation. There's always going to be a bigger fish in the pond. It's part and parcel of any online game, and there are so many factors that can influence the outcome of a PVP battle especially that solely putting it down to gear would be kind of short-sighted ( latency/lag, anyone? Reaction time? ).

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Irrespective of gear anyone can get one shot especially when purged/amp'ed.

I have 1078 spirit and josd but there is a seeker with a NP set, (or any other seeker with say a TW tower debuff and a zerkcrit) that can one shot me, not to mention venos with demon ironwood that can one shot anything in the game.

Depends on the fragility of your ego/epeen as to whether you laugh it off or rage.

Desdi - Sanctuary

In games like these there's always better players than you, players that are more experienced/skilled, players with better gear that was farmed or CS'd, players with advantages over you (better computer, less lag/latency etc.) and then there's the luck factor.

I think DarkSkies summed it up pretty much.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear

I dont have r9 because i dont need the gimmick **** gear my peer pressure is much higher than that.I do though have great gear set ups but r9 isnt needed on a pve server even for tw and regular play and nw.to much afk time in this game to spend that much rl $ in this game.

Zoldi - Morai

I do understand your criticism towards R9+5 because you obviously don't have any chance to win 1v1 versus endgame toons even if you're really more skilled (except if opponent is really dumb or just bought the toon maybe)
Still :
1) PWI is not really designed for 1v1 anyway
2) People with +5 gears usually try to improve their refines... Step by step..

And anyway people with +5 gears and no shards are usually not C$ers at all.

mechabeastmc666

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

1) Many players are pve and r9r unsharded and slightly refined is fine for pve. You don't need to be +12 for that.
2) Who said you need to cs? R9r isn't so expensive nowadays, it's been on almost permanent sale for years. Even slow farmers who play long enough and whose income comes from BH only have a chance to get it if they don't spend much money on anything else.

Even if you are full +12 and josd, you can get 1shot. Tragedy. Let's ALL uninstall game, no one is safe b:laugh


Not all enjoy gear and refines. Some prefer fashion/flights etc over stats and it's their right and their interest. I have no problems with them if they can do their job in squad decently. I won't be happy to see ppl in squad who can't play properly and wear tatters making whole squad wait till they respawn in the 10th time, but it's not actually my business to pick at their rarest-pure-white fashion for that. I met 2,5k hp mystic in caster nv, 4k hp cleric in FS, hh90 barb in FS who didn't fail the squad. As long as they know what to do, I'm fine with everything.

I even envy them a bit b:surrender because they are satisfied with cosmetic features of the game, fashion costs way less than good armor b:chuckle


Well, I don't think you can point out what game others should play according to their pay/playing style. PW provides the way to catch up with cs, so they use it without breaking any rules. It's how the game is designed. They chose it for a reason, they like it, it's their business what to do and how to achieve things. Maybe it's you who shouldn't play this game since you dislike its natural option? b:puzzled
Same as many like to say "if you do a lot of things solo, you shouldn't play mmo, it's a team game". Since game provides legal ways to play as you like, you may do whatever you wish.
Or QQ on forum that everything is not to your liking b:avoid

I believe some people should stop forcing their ideas of fun upon others. Everyone can decide for himself.

Complete lie. Full R9 +12 with Full defense lvl shards Dont get One shotted. At least i personally wouldnt. No clue about what you would do in that situation. Even by another +12 R9, It'll Boil down to who has the most skill in that type of scenario. It's the same as taking a lvl 80 blademaster with NPC gear, and dueling a lvl 80 wizard with NPC gear. If the gear is even, there wont be any One shots.

Also, anyone with R9 didn't Buy it for PVE, is that some kind of a Joke? they bought it for Some aspect of PVP G16 Nirv is perfectly overkill for PVP as opposed to Spending Hundreads on R9

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

Complete lie. Full R9 +12 with Full defense lvl shards Dont get One shotted. At least i personally wouldnt.

And you are talking from experience?
Oh wait you're not, you said in OP you don't have R9 at all.
The rest of your post gets invalidated by yourself, as the comparison is too extreme and too pointless due to weapon adds, procs, etc.

You really think R9rr +12 jaded can't get oneshot by some other +12 R9rr?
Top kek.

All I smell is just another butthurt rager over people who cash.
Guess what, you can play (and moan on forums) because they do that.

mechabeastmc666

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Irrespective of gear anyone can get one shot especially when purged/amp'ed.

I have 1078 spirit and josd but there is a seeker with a NP set, (or any other seeker with say a TW tower debuff and a zerkcrit) that can one shot me, not to mention venos with demon ironwood that can one shot anything in the game.

Depends on the fragility of your ego/epeen as to whether you laugh it off or rage.

How convenient. that sense we are talking about R9+12 JOSD, yOu just happen to have a seeker who's Just that. lol

either way, Just because He'd one shot you doesn't mean he'd One shot My theoretical R9+12 JOSD seeker. That makes the question alot worse for you because you spent More. All that money, Just to be Tossed aside. There's no reason to Buy that type of gear if you're not going to Do it big. At the current Price at least.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And you are talking from experience?
Oh wait you're not, you said in OP you don't have R9 at all.
The rest of your post gets invalidated by yourself, as the comparison is too extreme and too pointless due to weapon adds, procs, etc.

You really think R9rr +12 jaded can't get oneshot by some other +12 R9rr?
Top kek.

All I smell is just another butthurt rager over people who cash.
Guess what, you can play (and moan on forums) because they do that.

No. i dont. I saw it up close and personal, Full R9rrr +12 wizard with the channal stones in his wep. Took 25% off of the Full R9rrr seeker with JOSD. seeker did his skill and took 25% off of the wizard who was also +12. You personally might get one shotted. They didnt however.

Oh PS. i guess Sense we are throwing Insults now. EVERYONE look at his post before you start saying I started this. I have 100% Proof that i didnt.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

Complete lie. Full R9 +12 with Full defense lvl shards Dont get One shotted. At least i personally wouldnt. No clue about what you would do in that situation. Even by another +12 R9, It'll Boil down to who has the most skill in that type of scenario.

I think it's safe to assume you haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. The fact that you haven't even mentioned anything about cards further highlights this.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

No. i dont. I saw it up close and personal, Full R9rrr +12 wizard with the channal stones in his wep. Took 25% off of the Full R9rrr seeker with JOSD. seeker did his skill and took 25% off of the wizard who was also +12. You personally might get one shotted. They didnt however.

All i'm reading is:

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

I only saw a wizard attack a seeker once, it only took 25% of his hp.
I only saw a seeker attack a wizard once, it also only took 25% of his hp

Hi.
I would like to talk to you about debuffs, crits, zerks, damage bottom and upper scales.
Just because you saw them attack eachother once, means jack ****.
Try speaking from experience rather than "BUT I SAW"

Also, learn how to multiquote.

mechabeastmc666

S cards dont matter to Full +12 R9 JOSD. i didnt think they would be Valid. Go and get someone with Full s cards and G16 and put him against the R9 +12 and see who Wins. It's you who dont have a clue what he's talking about.

hoover69

and thats why i don't waste my money on games or pvp waste of freaking time lol i see no gain from pvping except wasting coins and money and for what? please i play for free and when the time comes where i see i can't go any farther then i move on to another game and start over again.

money is better spend on real stuff but thats just me

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

S cards dont matter to Full +12 R9 JOSD. i didnt think they would be Valid. Go and get someone with Full s cards and G16 and put him against the R9 +12 and see who Wins. It's you who dont have a clue what he's talking about.

...this has to be bait

mechabeastmc666

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

All i'm reading is:



Hi.
I would like to talk to you about debuffs, crits, zerks, damage bottom and upper scales.
Just because you saw them attack eachother once, means jack ****.
Try speaking from experience rather than "BUT I SAW"

Also, learn how to multiquote.

Do you have a R9rr+12 with full JOSD? If not then how would you know if they got One shotted or not?

Desdi - Sanctuary

Friendly reminder that R9rr +12 JOSD with NW upgrades isn't max endgame anymore. Max endgame means you also have a good and leveled S card set, with the ultimate endgame being Nuema Portal leveled S card set (reawakened even).

Someone with a good/leveled S card set (especially if it's Nuema Portal) has an advantage over someone who doesn't have one, even if both of them are R9rr +12 JOSD.

There's also debuffs/amps to consider; for example Demon Ironwood reduces physical defence to exactly 0 and Venomancers have Arcane Antinomy (phys. damage) skill to take advantage of that.

mechabeastmc666

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Friendly reminder that R9rr +12 JOSD with NW upgrades isn't max endgame anymore. Max endgame means you also have a good and leveled S card set, with the ultimate endgame being Nuema Portal leveled S card set (reawakened even).

Someone with a good/leveled S card set (especially if it's Nuema Portal) has an advantage over someone who doesn't have one, even if both of them are R9rr +12 JOSD.

There's also debuffs/amps to consider; for example Demon Ironwood reduces physical defence to exactly 0 and Venomancers have a physical damage skill to take advantage of that.

No matter the card set you have, It would take another R9+12 To kill a R9+12. I shouldnt even be having to say this lol

Desdi - Sanctuary

Cards make huge difference, especially the Spirit stat Plus, Arcane Sky levels (give spirit) and Nuema (also gives spirit).

mechabeastmc666

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Cards make huge difference, especially the Spirit stat Plus, Arcane Sky levels (give spirit) and Nuema (also gives spirit).

Oh well, i think these other two guys are Missunderstanding what i said in my First Post. I never said that R9+12 JOSD couldn't be Beat. i said that it would take ANOTHER R9+12 JOSD to do so. And when the gear is on even playing fields the one with the most skill wins. Which is why i dont understand R9+5 at the current cost today.