Long time absent

CrowPrince - Lost City

So i have been gone from this game for a long, long time. around 2 if not 3 years,. When i left the game the Assassin class was pretty much running everything and the game was very much dying in many ways. i played on Lost City on several different toons and there was very little activity in new blood going on.

i am currently thinking of redownloading the game since the game i had an interest in changed its pvp system so there was no dedicated pvp server. My question is, is this game still dying down and run by the dagger happy fishes or has things changed.

Toraah - Archosaur

It's pretty much the same thing. Sins stopped being overpowered for a year or so, but the recent expansion made them insanely overpowered again.

Jadsia - Lost City

There is a lot more content added since you left. A new race with 2 new classes. Nation wars, new maps like Morai and Primal world. new instances, new 10x BHs, rebirth (where one gets bonus stats for reverting to level 1 and going back to 10x again. One can do that twice until the server completes the newest phase in primal world. The game morphed from having players all throughout the level spectrum to having some new players and most 10x end game. Not much in between so the economy is screwed up and the open maps have been a deserted wasteland with nobody doing low to mid level range questing and BHs. They disabled hypers in FC so hopefully that will change and bring back the mid level game play and the economy with it. Oh and on this subject, since PWI did morph into an end game dominated platform with nothing but high levels with powerful gear the masses were complaining about the lack of challenging material in the game. PWE answered that by completely redesigning SoT and Abaddon. Be prepared to hit the 'OMGWTF' key when you see what they did to those 2 instances.

The fish are no longer dominant as they were before. It's pretty much spread out among the classes now that APS is no longer the gear to have. Most are going for full rank 9 and recasting that 2 more times. You are going to be dumbstruck about how OP people are with that gear. The casual free to play have 3rd cast nirvana gears now. It's decent but no comparison to r9rrr.

Venos have 2 new legendary pets - The Monkey King (PvP oriented) and the Harpy (PvE oriented) Venos also have a special instance where they earn special mats to evolve their pets so you may see them walking around with some wicked looking pets that do crazy things. Also Venos and Barbs have a new Fox and 'Tiger' Form. The tiger form is actually a fat kung fu panda. Primal world and Morai both offer new class specific skills.


If you come back be prepared to feel like you are level 1 starting all over from scratch again. That much has changed.

Also there is yet another expansion on the horizon with a new race and 2 more new classes.

Oh and welcome back.

mechabeastmc666

CrowPrince - Lost City wrote: »

So i have been gone from this game for a long, long time. around 2 if not 3 years,. When i left the game the Assassin class was pretty much running everything and the game was very much dying in many ways. i played on Lost City on several different toons and there was very little activity in new blood going on.

i am currently thinking of redownloading the game since the game i had an interest in changed its pvp system so there was no dedicated pvp server. My question is, is this game still dying down and run by the dagger happy fishes or has things changed.

How can a game Die for 2-3 years? If it's still here then you already have your answer, the game is alive and well. Getting ready for a huge expansion as well.

CrowPrince - Lost City

I did see the seeker and Mystic race before i left, i was on and off when they got released and lvled to 71 with a seeker before leaving for good. My big problem i really had with the game was when i was on LC at low levels it was dead. There was no low level pvping or even people around the low quests. It made for the game to be really dull.

CrowPrince - Lost City

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

How can a game Die for 2-3 years? If it's still here then you already have your answer, the game is alive and well. Getting ready for a huge expansion as well.

It was dead in server population compared to how it used to be. And PWI was "getting ready" for a huge expansion with the seeker and mystics and even with the tideborn. If the expansions don't focus on what was wrong with the game before it got an add on it won't really do much to help the game in general.

opkossy

CrowPrince - Lost City wrote: »

I did see the seeker and Mystic race before i left, i was on and off when they got released and lvled to 71 with a seeker before leaving for good. My big problem i really had with the game was when i was on LC at low levels it was dead. There was no low level pvping or even people around the low quests. It made for the game to be really dull.

Hypering in Frost has been disabled recently, and as a result lower leveled players have been showing up a lot more than they were before. It's not the huge boon we had in 08/09, mind you, but it's getting better than it used to be.

Jadsia - Lost City

OPKossy wrote: »

Hypering in Frost has been disabled recently, and as a result lower leveled players have been showing up a lot more than they were before. It's not the huge boon we had in 08/09, mind you, but it's getting better than it used to be.

I hope so. It's just going to take some time to get it back.

nbreaking

If your problem was the amount of sins (and yes, i remember the time everyone and their mothers had a sin) then you're ok. Since the new horizons expansion all the new instances are anti-aps (if you use normal attack on the bosses you deal extremely low damage, forcing you to use your skills and actually have a brain) and a lot of the "I ISH 5 APS +12 WEAPON, +2 REST OF GEAR" sins quit LOL

Anyway, I enjoy the game at the moment.

Some things that changed (during your absence):

- FC hypers don't work. (Which, IMO, is making the game way more active at low lvl)

- 100+ BHs changed.

- Nirvana is dead (You can get raps and cannies by doing Nation Wars (PVP event every Friday and Sunday, no pk penalties)

- T3 gear and vile versions in Lunar and FWS (Not sure if this existed on the genesis expansion, but I don't think so)

- New map called Primal world for rebirth characters.

- Rebirth system (You can rebirth twice, what this does is grant you access to primal world, revert you to lvl 1 with extra stats points (depending what lvl you were before rebirth) and other things you will find out on your own).

- War avatar system (You can get cards and equip them, they have several grades that are (from best to worst) S-C. They are pretty much the equivalent of another grade of r9).

- Spirit stat (Used in PVP but I heard it's does something in PvE too but less. 1 spirit = 0.1% more damage and damage reduction vs players).

- Sky lvl (Lvling your sky lvl requires vitae which you can get by doing primal dailies or getting pills. Your sky lvl determines some of your spirit points and also unlocks some quests, etc...)

- New skills for reborn people.


I'll update this if I remember more stuff xD I might look confusing, but you'll get it once you see it.

miakia1

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

How can a game Die for 2-3 years? If it's still here then you already have your answer, the game is alive and well. Getting ready for a huge expansion as well.

NOT, what planet you live on? game is being deserted every day by more and more and not being fixed and an expansion with new classes will NOT bring in new players. The almighty r9r3 will have the new classes at level 105 in a few weeks and therefore the inbalance will NEVER be fixed.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

How can a game Die for 2-3 years? If it's still here then you already have your answer, the game is alive and well. Getting ready for a huge expansion as well.

Its kind of like a cancer patient being told by a doctor, that they have cancer, they have a year to live at most, then the patient defies those odds and lives for another 5 years into his 30th year of being alive.

Despite the cancer patient living WELL beyond the suggested '1 year'... he... was still "dying."

Death does NOT have to come within a few days/months to still be considered... 'dying.'


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The game has had quite a few troubling signs that has suggested it is on its last legs for quite some time, hell the fact that we didn't reach the 35k goal for arc is arguably a sign that things are bleak.

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As for the original question about sins... yea as others said, recent expansion has made them stupidly strong. (offensively, and while they can be hard to take down, MOST aren't like that as a lot aren't full end game, at least they aren't on my server)

Jadsia - Lost City

miakia1 wrote: »

NOT, what planet you live on? game is being deserted every day by more and more and not being fixed and an expansion with new classes will NOT bring in new players. The almighty r9r3 will have the new classes at level 105 in a few weeks and therefore the inbalance will NEVER be fixed.

New players aren't going to give 2 rat's hoot about r9rrrs as they progress through the game. It's when they get to end game some time after they start when they will care.

meranya

The best thing to do for you is to simply log in and experience things for yourself a few days.
Poke around the new stuff, see the guides, get prepared (or not) and pick up on friends and a good faction to have fun with.

If anything, the opinions when you ask for them do tend to be biased, and reflect someone else's perception rather than what you would feel.

nbreaking

miakia1 wrote: »

NOT, what planet you live on? game is being deserted every day by more and more and not being fixed and an expansion with new classes will NOT bring in new players. The almighty r9r3 will have the new classes at level 105 in a few weeks and therefore the inbalance will NEVER be fixed.

"The almighty r9r3" either farmed their ***** off or paid a lot for their gears... Or do you suggest they just give out r9 to everyone?-.-'

Also, since FC hypering was disabled, RT at least has been way more active.
Last but not least, new engine = recoding, and most likely some of the bugs/glitches we have dealt with for years will be fixed.

jwillson123

Well your server is nice with good prices because it was not destroyed by auto cultivation(legal bot implemented in the game).

So you are lucky.


Look at Santuary server

http://gyazo.com/928c4491e5ec559a8881ee13439e3c00


You used to feel overwhelmed by sins lol.
Now be prepared to be overwhelmed by all the R9r3 players.
Even if you get full G16 you are going to get 1 shoted by r9r3 players.
You are going to feel like a level 1 mob doing 3 digit damage and been 1 shot.

The game is so different like before. Before R9 was rare and now like 60% of the server have it thanks to Nation wars. You are unlucky like me you came back after Nation wars was highly profitable enough to buy you full R9. Now nation wars pays very little compared with before.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear

Yeah good luck on spending about close to 2 billion on r9 ring and a r9 weapon,and if you dont have full rep then its really going to cost close to 2billion coins lol with the current gold prices.Then spending another wopping amounts to s2 and then s3ing it and then plusing and sharding it.

Really gear like r9rrr should be pvp server exclusive.

CrowPrince - Lost City

Ok what about to older classes now? Last time i was around the original races were very much out classed by the newer ones. One of my favorite classes to play was Wizards but they just felt less good as the pyschics or mystics. Did they finally update the older classes to the level of the newer ones?

nbreaking

CrowPrince - Lost City wrote: »

Ok what about to older classes now? Last time i was around the original races were very much out classed by the newer ones. One of my favorite classes to play was Wizards but they just felt less good as the pyschics or mystics. Did they finally update the older classes to the level of the newer ones?

The classes were updated but Wizard is the rarest class I know (don't see many of them at least in RT)

I am guessing the reason for this is the huge casting times wizards have to endure.

stargatez

nbreaking wrote: »

"The almighty r9r3" either farmed their ***** off or paid a lot for their gears... Or do you suggest they just give out r9 to everyone?-.-'

Also, since FC hypering was disabled, RT at least has been way more active.
Last but not least, new engine = recoding, and most likely some of the bugs/glitches we have dealt with for years will be fixed.

way more active? you mean way more alts, not new players for sure. so in the end, still the same. rank 9 now will have the new classes at rank 9 in a few weeks and it will inbalance the expansion.

Jadsia - Lost City

stargatez wrote: »

way more active? you mean way more alts, not new players for sure. so in the end, still the same. rank 9 now will have the new classes at rank 9 in a few weeks and it will inbalance the expansion.

LOL! It's an inbalance until someone reaches the appropriate level and works hard to make r9rrr +12 gear too. It's called reaching end game. And really what good is having 12 alts r9rrr +12 when we play 2 at the same time legally? Is this going to be another thread morphed into QQ between the haves and have nots? With effort everyone can get r9rrr + 12 and be part of the end game balance. Until then ....b:cry

Damn this attitude is pathetic. When my veno was 7x I watched in awe as another veno solo'd TT squad mode with a herc. I had a choice of QQing about how unfair it was that I would have to spend $200 or farm my *** off for it or I would actually put the effort into farming my *** off and getting the 200 gold for the herc which I did. It took me 6 months with a glacial walker in solo mode to get it. Then I made that same amount 3 times faster in squad mode with the herc to get my nix. Why in god's name should someone who worked hard and achieved one OP r9rrr toon be criticized for how much easier it would be to use that OP toon to make another OP toon? OMG.

Salari - Raging Tide

One of the hardest hitting classes in the game complaining about silly sins, yep nothing has changed since you left

Keisari - Raging Tide

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

LOL! It's an inbalance until someone reaches the appropriate level and works hard to make r9rrr +12 gear too. It's called reaching end game. And really what good is having 12 alts r9rrr +12 when we play 2 at the same time legally? Is this going to be another thread morphed into QQ between the haves and have nots? With effort everyone can get r9rrr + 12 and be part of the end game balance. Until then ....b:cry

Damn this attitude is pathetic. When my veno was 7x I watched in awe as another veno solo'd TT squad mode with a herc. I had a choice of QQing about how unfair it was that I would have to spend $200 or farm my *** off for it or I would actually put the effort into farming my *** off and getting the 200 gold for the herc which I did. It took me 6 months with a glacial walker in solo mode to get it. Then I made that same amount 3 times faster in squad mode with the herc to get my nix. Why in god's name should someone who worked hard and achieved one OP r9rrr toon be criticized for how much easier it would be to use that OP toon to make another OP toon? OMG.

These days a herc would cost around 800mil coins, at the time you farmed it it was probably around 300 mils. How many newbies can gather 800 mils? That's about as much as 3 full T3-sets. Kitty can't see how it could be farmed under 40 weeks.

And Kitty seriously doubts any newbies starting now will ever reach end-game without heavy cashing as gold price ish about 2x higher now than it was a year ago, at least on RT. Those who already have R9rr can quite easily farm more of them, but those who haven't...

Since PWE has a tendency to make new classes more powerful than old ones it indeed ish likely that there will be some new OP-chars quickly after the new classes have arrived. And they won't be first-timers in this game.

Btw, you wondered what good are multiple R9rr chars and later ask why R9rrs making new R9rr alts should be criticized. Hypocrisy much?

opkossy

Keisari - Raging Tide wrote: »

These days a herc would cost around 800mil coins, at the time you farmed it it was probably around 300 mils. How many newbies can gather 800 mils? That's about as much as 3 full T3-sets. Kitty can't see how it could be farmed under 40 weeks.

Hercs for 800m? That's funny.

Their prices have been to around 75-300m (depending on server) ever since it became possible to get them via packs. And it's stayed there regardless of gold price as well.

Back in our day, it was 20m for a herc, sure... but 20m actually was worth something and that was the equivalent of 200 gold. Now 20m isn't worth much at all.. and hercs cost the equivalent of 25-75 gold. Which is around the price you'd pay for some mounts, aeros, or even fashion sets... and those aren't considered heavy cash shopping in the slightest.

nbreaking

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

LOL! It's an inbalance until someone reaches the appropriate level and works hard to make r9rrr +12 gear too. It's called reaching end game. And really what good is having 12 alts r9rrr +12 when we play 2 at the same time legally? Is this going to be another thread morphed into QQ between the haves and have nots? With effort everyone can get r9rrr + 12 and be part of the end game balance. Until then ....b:cry

Damn this attitude is pathetic. When my veno was 7x I watched in awe as another veno solo'd TT squad mode with a herc. I had a choice of QQing about how unfair it was that I would have to spend $200 or farm my *** off for it or I would actually put the effort into farming my *** off and getting the 200 gold for the herc which I did. It took me 6 months with a glacial walker in solo mode to get it. Then I made that same amount 3 times faster in squad mode with the herc to get my nix. Why in god's name should someone who worked hard and achieved one OP r9rrr toon be criticized for how much easier it would be to use that OP toon to make another OP toon? OMG.

This... This is exactly what I meant aswell.

People always cry about everything, this is a game. People say it's unfair... Guess what? Life is unfair. And how exactly is it unfair that I farmed my *** off in TT, FWS, etc and other people used their hard working money to buy r9 have r9, and you don't, when you sit all day in arch or didn't spend a dime of your real money?

I think this is what the QQers suggest: Give everyone r9rr+12 with JOSD or Deity (You can even choose!!) and a full Nuema portal S card set rebirthed twice and lvled to the max. Also, don't forget to send the nuemas too, we've gotta lvl those damn things. Lastly, since you disabled hypers in FC, please, let us start the game as 105x105x105.

Wait... This is not going to happen? OMG b:cry b:cry b:cry

But guess what? EVEN if in a parallel universe this exists, in that same universe they are QQing about the classes being unbalanced so... There's no stopping to the QQers LOL -.-'

nbreaking

OPKossy wrote: »

Hercs for 800m? That's funny.

Their prices have been to around 75-300m (depending on server) ever since it became possible to get them via packs. And it's stayed there regardless of gold price as well.

Back in our day, it was 20m for a herc, sure... but 20m actually was worth something and that was the equivalent of 200 gold. Now 20m isn't worth much at all.. and hercs cost the equivalent of 25-75 gold. Which is around the price you'd pay for some mounts, aeros, or even fashion sets... and those aren't considered heavy cash shopping in the slightest.

Kitty never heard of packs and kitty knows nothing about the economy.

700M is the monkey pet in RT that was sold by *Insert name of popular sin in RT that is always QQing about PvP*, my veno friend just got her herc for 75M so... yeah.