Steelation in 3-3? Not as hard as some people think.

virusofyourlife2

With all the new passives and such, soloing TT isn't hard, even the upper level TTs. In fact, with good armor and high level passives, I'd say any sin is capable.

The damage>skill myth is a lie! Because science!<---Invisible link ._.

I know I played somewhat sloppy, but I was trying to test the waters a bit, and demonstrate that with a little know-how and relatively good APS armors and passives, TT is childs play. The daggers I used were the Ceremonial Daggers from TW, which by NO means out damage ANY endgame/semi-endgame daggers... They can't even be refined! And the proc on them is negligible for the most part.

The general point I want to make here is I'd rather see more sins who know how to play their class in instances than upper-geared sins who never really learned.

Also, I did it all for science.

Thilina - Archosaur

That's why sins have Tidal. Not to mention genie.

virusofyourlife2

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Did he ever say "I have some bones to crush" and then proceeded to APS the **** out of you ?b:laugh

Cuz if youre lucky and he didnt, then yes it should be easy.

If he did but you could run away, it should still be moderately easy. Now you just had to tank his weak ranged attack for a bit. (meanwhile trying to purge him with a bow)

If he did but stuns you first, you can be dead in a second.

If you would have watched, yes, he did APS several times (More than average I'd say actually)

some of the time I stood and fought and just outright tanked him that way, a few times I ran back and used bow to try for purge.

Guess my post was tl;dr? Or video tl;dw? XD

WannaBM - Archosaur

Thilina - Archosaur wrote: »

That's why sins have Tidal. Not to mention genie.

Ye even though it really isnt that hard. I think that is what people mean with skill > gear.

Many do seem to have problems with it even though it sounds simple. Lag is also a major factor though. Even as an R9 APS barb (So thats gear, no skills needed really, just tank the damn APS and hit TOP somewhere in the middle) I can fail if i got like 1000 - 2000ms lag.

Edit: yes i didnt notice the video at first, then saw it and deleted my post

virusofyourlife2

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Ye even though it really isnt that hard. I think that is what people mean with skill > gear.

Many do seem to have problems with it even though it sounds simple. Lag is also a major factor though. Even as an R9 APS barb (So thats gear, no skills needed really, just tank the damn APS and hit TOP somewhere in the middle) I can fail if i got like 1000 - 2000ms lag.

Edit: yes i didnt notice the video at first, then saw it and deleted my post

No worries, I do know I was a bit sloppy but I feel my point is still valid though :P

WannaBM - Archosaur

Oh yes, it is valid for sure

Its just that some people seem to have a different level of skill where they start thinking it is skill. I mean, this game and the average player has gotten to the point that new instances give 10 second warnings when the boss is about to do something. b:chuckle

PS i see that you are charmed. I dont know if many people even have difficulties when they are charmed

virusofyourlife2

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Oh yes, it is valid for sure

Its just that some people seem to have a different level of skill where they start thinking it is skill. I mean, this game and the average player has gotten to the point that new instances give 10 second warnings when the boss is about to do something. b:chuckle

PS i see that you are charmed. I dont know if many people even have difficulties when they are charmed

I usually don't waste charms on TT since I normally do use better daggers xD But with damage like that bloodpaint doesn't return hardly anything xD And I had event gold to spare haha

Deadalus - Harshlands

What this Video shows is that you indeed dont need all these Power creep items to do TT 3-2/3 and do decent with normal gear such as G13 or R8 daggers, heck even i did farm TT 3-3 with r8+5 bac then and later g13+10 and i did fine.

But the other side of the video is that we are looking at a sage sin having a charm and using apo to survive.
I bet that you cant just stand there and tank without using dew, IG or AD because you would be dead within two or three seconds even with your HP and a charm.

So yes even in the times of having r9rr+10 daggers i still dont solo TT 3-3 because it is just not fun to do it alone and i rather share my drops to people i enjoy doing it with.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

No shouts showing on chat and thus not reacting to them properly is maddening. This video really shouldnt be used as any sort of guide to anybody.

UnboundFury - Dreamweaver

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

No shouts showing on chat and thus not reacting to them properly is maddening. This video really shouldnt be used as any sort of guide to anybody.

Well then, it's a good thing that it is in fact NOT a guide nor meant to be one.
The OP was merely using it as a visual aid to prove a point.

jwillson123

Well I am not impressive at all with how much hp you got and how much damage you are receiving.
you obviously have full +10 refines or above.
TT is not about damage is more about how much hp and defense you got.


try it with a typical average sin that has only 6,000 hp and I will be impressed b:laugh

Salari - Raging Tide

jwillson123 wrote: »

Well I am not impressive at all with how much hp you got and how much damage you are receiving.
you obviously have full +10 refines or above.
TT is not about damage is more about how much hp and defense you got.


try it with a typical average sin that has only 6,000 hp and I will be impressed b:laugh

you dont need +10 all around to hit 15k, i have 14k buffed and only have 2 items to 10, rest is 7. meridian, nuema, engraving and cards give quite a lot to hp,.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

jwillson123 wrote: »

Well I am not impressive at all with how much hp you got and how much damage you are receiving.
you obviously have full +10 refines or above.
TT is not about damage is more about how much hp and defense you got.


try it with a typical average sin that has only 6,000 hp and I will be impressed b:laugh

Only alt fc sins have that HP. Don't count those sins.

Any sin that someone plays has on average 7.5-9k hp.

Deadalus - Harshlands

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Oh yes, it is valid for sure

Its just that some people seem to have a different level of skill where they start thinking it is skill. I mean, this game and the average player has gotten to the point that new instances give 10 second warnings when the boss is about to do something. b:chuckle

PS i see that you are charmed. I dont know if many people even have difficulties when they are charmed

TT bosses gave you a warning too, you just have to remember it a bit.
Steelation is about to aps? He tells you that he has some bones to crush.
Illusion Lord: Armageddon Boss is about to dg debuff you? He will show you his ultimative move "armageddon" (i think it was this line lol)
GBA boss is about to purge you? he tells you that "soon you will be joining us" or something like that.

Its just not like the warning text is in the middle of the screen slashing in and beeing big so everyone notices, no it was a smaller detail and you had to pay attention.
But it was there


Also im not very impressed with this video at all.
sure he used **** daggers and sure he took a few minutes to kill him but the point is very very far out there: you dont need good gear to farm TT 3-3 (or atleast Steelation).
The point in this video is that your weapon can be as low as possible, you just have to survive the hits and pot the HP if you need to.
Put an average sin in aps gear infront of this boss and give him the daggers used in the video.
You realy think he will survive? well think again.

Steelation is in my opinion the third hardest boss in TT, after Illusion Lord: Armageddon when he throws in his combo and Twilight Emperor. everything else is pretty easy to manage.

Just the ridiculous amount of debuffs he has ontop of his buffs are just very hard to manage for an average sin (who is DEMON and not Sage on top of that) and will most likely die when he tries to solo or have a charm **** fest. or both.

No average sin has +10 stuff, mostly +5 or +7 at best (mostly on weapon).
No average sin has full A cards.


Lets not even begin with players who NEED the materials out of TT 3-3 to actually craft their gear.
After the easy bosses who are worth nothing in TT 3-3 its game over for anyone not knowing what to do or having the abilities to tank the boss.
and no a barb in TT90 will NOT survive anything in there.
When you really think a character with gears at the level that they need the gold mats from tt 3-3 can handle tt 3-3 you really need to consider doing it yourself with the gear. Its impossible.


wrote way too much b:bye

WannaBM - Archosaur

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

TT bosses gave you a warning too, you just have to remember it a bit.
Steelation is about to aps? He tells you that he has some bones to crush.
Illusion Lord: Armageddon Boss is about to dg debuff you? He will show you his ultimative move "armageddon" (i think it was this line lol)
GBA boss is about to purge you? he tells you that "soon you will be joining us" or something like that.

Its just not like the warning text is in the middle of the screen slashing in and beeing big so everyone notices, no it was a smaller detail and you had to pay attention.
But it was there

I know. And thats the difference i was pointing at. In the old days you would get a small warning in the text window about 0.5 seconds before something actually happens. (if i have any bit of lag at all, im usually to late to resist GBA purge). Now since that was too sensitive to lag, maybe it should give half a second more time or so. But not a stupid message in your face with 10 seconds delay.

Steelation is in my opinion the third hardest boss in TT, after Illusion Lord: Armageddon when he throws in his combo and Twilight Emperor. everything else is pretty easy to manage.

What armageddon combo ? Arma is one of the easiest bosses imo. It only has his 1 shot spell "armageddon" but he casts it very rarely and cornered beast makes it relaxed so i dont have to keep watching the text and resist it
I do think steelation is the hardest. He was the last one i soloed. Emperor second, GBA third. All the others are punching bags including lord.

and no a barb in TT90 will NOT survive anything in there.
When you really think a character with gears at the level that they need the gold mats from tt 3-3 can handle tt 3-3 you really need to consider doing it yourself with the gear. Its impossible.

I did this stuff in squad when i was in TT90. Of course often someone OP would come and my role was very limited, also did i often die when i had to tank. However, while not easy, it is possible. I well remember the constructions with 1 cleric spamming IH while a second healer was standing outside the room keeping the first cleric alive trough the wall. With the right squad (surely including 2 healers), a TT90 squad can do 3-3. Id actually love to do that again. Way more fun than soloing it all in 30 minutes.

Deadalus - Harshlands

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

What armageddon combo ? Arma is one of the easiest bosses imo. It only has his 1 shot spell "armageddon" but he casts it very rarely and cornered beast makes it relaxed so i dont have to keep watching the text and resist it
I do think steelation is the hardest. He was the last one i soloed. Emperor second, GBA third. All the others are punching bags including lord.

The combo i mean is when he debuffs you (The dg debuff one where you take more damage) and hits you in a very short period of time twice and the first one is usually over 10.000 damage.
When he pulls that off its very hard to survive but other then that its pretty easy i agree.


I did this stuff in squad when i was in TT90. Of course often someone OP would come and my role was very limited, also did i often die when i had to tank. However, while not easy, it is possible. I well remember the constructions with 1 cleric spamming IH while a second healer was standing outside the room keeping the first cleric alive trough the wall. With the right squad (surely including 2 healers), a TT90 squad can do 3-3. Id actually love to do that again. Way more fun than soloing it all in 30 minutes.

as said i really doubt that any squad with tt90 equipment could manage some bosses in tt 3-3.
I often get asked if i could help guild mates in tt 3-3 because they failed a boss serval times (mostly steelation or gba) and they have a barb + 2 cleric but tt90 equipment.
So yea maybe its possible when you really know what to do, how to react and be patience but a single mistake could kill the whole squad.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

So yea maybe its possible when you really know what to do, how to react and be patience but a single mistake could kill the whole squad.

Thats how games are supposed to be played. That was the whole idea of it.

Deadalus - Harshlands

yea but the idea that TT 3-x was revampet to be harder just threw the whole idea out of the window to recive the equipment for lv 99 on lv 99.
You can however do the instance on lv 99 but for the equipment you gain and the equipment you have its just way too hard and i say its still impossible for them to manage.

Id love to see a 2014 video with a tt90 equipment squad not higher refined then +5 (because you never refine anything under tt99 to +6 or higher) and do it without calling for help from an op person.

I expect that from realy endgame dungeons but every dungeon is kinda pretty easy and i cant say that anything is realy a challenge.
And no i dont consider some oneshot move from the boss when you dont do anything he wants you to as a challenge. its just annoying and i think FSP is just another example how a dungeon should not be.
Pople keep saying for example that nirvana was the most boring instance ever but FSP is not any better for me. i dont know what i expect but not something like "duh i gonna oneshot you when you dont do xxx" you know what i mean.

TT was better in design and its still usefull. we need a new farming instance with TRADEABLE items. like TT or Nirvana.

Salari - Raging Tide

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

tt90

Stop being a nub b:laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udsQquHC16o

b:dirty

b:surrender

Deadalus - Harshlands

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

Stop being a nub b:laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udsQquHC16o

b:dirty

b:surrender

r8rr with the pack robe + g16 axe (or g15 dunno) + OHT gold helm.

Way to go b:shutup

Salari - Raging Tide

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

r8rr with the pack robe + g16 axe (or g15 dunno) + OHT gold helm.

Way to go b:shutup

b:chuckle

WannaBM - Archosaur

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

y
Id love to see a 2014 video with a tt90 equipment squad not higher refined then +5 (because you never refine anything under tt99 to +6 or higher) and do it without calling for help from an op person.

That actually would seem fun to me. I am very bored of the game now and cant get myself to do stupid daylies. But if 5 others are in for this on archo, im in for that!
Wed need 2 healers, a sin for ribstrike, me the barb, and i guess a BM and veno for some debuffing. I can probably get my budy to play cleric of BM. It would be nice though if we include morai lvl 95 into the permitted gear so the cleric doesnt need to be refitted.

I can either take my non-reborn sage barb from retirement for this or put some TT90 on my dual reborn main to make up for the revamped TT

PS: i fully agree that TT was better in design as were lunar and warsong in many ways.
I do kinda like the concept of most of the FSP bosses though and the fact that toad kills non-barbs only is of course a compromise so it dont kill G16 barbs easier than R9 JOSD clerics.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

TT was better in design and its still usefull. we need a new farming instance with TRADEABLE items. like TT or Nirvana.

Lunar says "Notice me sempai".

Deadalus - Harshlands

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lunar says "Notice me sempai".

lunar was always a different route to get the same gear as TT is for me and i never payed too much attention to it then i probably should but i cant help it and say its sooo... boring and i dont like it honestly.
Its design is great and the instance itself is kinda creepy when you look at the soroundings but i ever felt like you make so much more coins in tt then in lunar (in prior EoD time) and i stick with it.

In x2 we switch around sometimes when we get tired of too much tt but we end up in tt after like 2 lunar runs again.

But what i mean is a complete new kind of gear which is NOT soo much better then g16 gear is now but maybe focus on defense more then attack or more on attack then defense? i dont know im not good at making up equipment but i sure someone gets my point here.

The last few years its the
same
****ing
gear
we farmed and upgradet again
and again
and again
and again

its getting old.

sm3ag0l

you dont need a sin to solo stuff i play my archer since day 1 and solo almost every cave with it sins are just waste of time and coin just make another r999 char works just as good b:laugh

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

sm3ag0l wrote: »

you dont need a sin to solo stuff i play my archer since day 1 and solo almost every cave with it sins are just waste of time and coin just make another r999 char works just as good b:laugh

Captain obvious? Difference is a sin can do it faster and cheaper with the least investment.

#Bloodpaint

GG.