Has it become impossible for f2p player to reach fully end game?

jwillson123

There are 3 areas that have become extremely hard or impossible to get without HEAVELY cashing.

1) Full JoD. DoD sell for 180m+ I think they at 200 million now if not they surely will be even more expensive with rate prices are growing.
24 x 3 = 72 DoD needed
72 x 200m = 14,400,000,000b

2) Emperor tome (Love me up and down sells for 2 billion on my server)(That is you lucky to find a seller)(Still possible to get by free methods but price keeps growing and growing and it sell fast at 2 billion.)

3) Full S card set 700 x 4 = 2,800 gold that is like 25,900,000,000 on my server i think
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1685521

4) Even more impossible full S card full neuma set. There is someone in my server that has the set and I was told he spend over 20,000 USD to get the set.
20,000 gold x 3.7m = 74,000,000,000b

So basically 90 billion to reach fully end gear...

Lets say you really good at making coins and earn 2 billion coins a month.
Lets be more realistic lets say you make 1 billion a month that = 7.5 years


getting real full end game neuma set would take you almost 4 years?
Also this is without considering economy inflation that is growing none stop and that by that time some of those items might become outdated.b:chuckle
One of the heaviest cashoppers in my server spend 60,000 usd on PWI then was angry at pwi because when R9r3 came made his gear outdated b:chuckle



Ok lets say you aim for just full S card set without neuma set

14,400,000,000 + 25,900,000,000 = 40,300,000,000

Been realistic = 3.3 years
Making 2 billion a month = 1.6 years(You would have to farm like mad + merchant heavely to archive this)
If we add inflation I guess 4 years to 2 years?
In 4 years the game would probably be dead by rate is going or your gear outdated b:shocked

rtmira

Wanted to write "what's your point?" but when writing a reply to your thread I was thinking something else: WHO CARES?
Most people with end-gear/weapon/token (and whatever s..t they wanted) find this game boring. It's like the PWI facebook page. QQ and hope for free stuff, then do nothing. I don't see many full-geared people actually playing. Some are waiting for PvP on a PvE server. Yeah, would be bored too! When I started to play PWI - only about 7 weeks ago - I decided just to 'go for it': play and have fun using gear- and weapon drops. So for me it's easy to say: go use cash if you really want to use the stuff as mentioned in your thread.

Peccable - Raging Tide

yes.
tho official pwi-slogan for pvp is CS OR GTFO.
with the introduction of war avatars they are not even trying to hide it.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Getting to (early) endgame is possible within a couple years with effort and understanding of the game. Absolute endgame, with top-end everything though? Not quite as easily unless you charge here and there or treat the game as a second job (Or....you were lucky to have taken advantage of things since 08/early 09)

opkossy

Super endgame is something that even most cashers won't actually get to. Even back before the power creep anything that was super-endgame was a pipe dream at best in most cases until something new came that lowered the cost for a while until the next super-endgame item came along.

Regular endgame is totally possible for F2P user. Getting super endgame maxed out everything? Unless you're obscenely rich you aren't getting that here.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

It depend on what you want out of the game.

What you listed is a complete waste of time and money to me. Its not even needed for the majority of the game (not at all in PvE) and only exists for people to min/max their characters.
For PvP super-endgame, this game is massively pay-to-win. If your idea of endgame is to f2p super-high endgame PvP, prepare to devote your life to the game.

A regular endgame however, without getting caught up in trying to compete in the broken PvP aspect, is very doable free to play. You even can outfit multiple characters in 'regular endgame' gears going f2p.

Desdi - Sanctuary

OPKossy wrote: »

Super endgame is something that even most cashers won't actually get to. Even back before the power creep anything that was super-endgame was a pipe dream at best in most cases until something new came that lowered the cost for a while until the next super-endgame item came along.

Regular endgame is totally possible for F2P user. Getting super endgame maxed out everything? Unless you're obscenely rich you aren't getting that here.

^ pretty much this.

Unless someone has a lot of money to spare, most people won't really spend so much on this game, especially after the mess PWE has repeatedly done and with Wanmei taking forever to send us patches, updates, fixes etc. Of course players are partially at fault too but that's beside the point.

Also consider the fact that we rarely get new players nowadays. Most people have been playing for a while already and there are players that have been around for years so naturally they had time to build their characters up, either by farming/merchanting or charging gold from time to time.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

[...]
A regular endgame however, without getting caught up in trying to compete in the broken PvP aspect, is very doable free to play. You even can outfit multiple characters in 'regular endgame' gears going f2p.

...and to add to this. Average/regular endgame can also be enough to have some good fun in PvP. It's just that you can't expect to be at the top.

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

OPKossy wrote: »

Super endgame is something that even most cashers won't actually get to. Even back before the power creep anything that was super-endgame was a pipe dream at best in most cases until something new came that lowered the cost for a while until the next super-endgame item came along.

Regular endgame is totally possible for F2P user. Getting super endgame maxed out everything? Unless you're obscenely rich you aren't getting that here.

Exactly this. Normal endgame is r9rr refined to +10, with ornaments refined and recast as well to +10. +12 is doable, and JoSD is doable if you have a lot of time to invest. As for full nuema and S card set, personally I'm not even going to try. I will settle for a couple of S cards and the rest A cards in time. I'm not even going for JoSD.

Since I'm on a PvE server, +10 everything and weapon +12, with gear sharded with vit stones is my goal even as a cash shopper. The rest is a pipe dream.

Only instance I need for better gear is NW and even now I average 200 to 300 tokens. I don't care about PvP or TW.

jwillson123

OPKossy wrote: »

Super endgame is something that even most cashers won't actually get to. Even back before the power creep anything that was super-endgame was a pipe dream at best in most cases until something new came that lowered the cost for a while until the next super-endgame item came along.

Regular endgame is totally possible for F2P user. Getting super endgame maxed out everything? Unless you're obscenely rich you aren't getting that here.

What is considered regular end game right now?
My guess is full R9r3 +10 hp pieces and +12 everything else
Emperor tome
NW neck +12
NW rings +12
Full A card set with the free S card and with the weekly Sot/Abba Hp gems right?

I asked this because before It was possible to get full 12+ and full JoD.
But these random cards are ridiculous expensive.

bloodedone87

All depends on how much time you play. If you play like 2-3 hours per day, yes its kinda imposible.
If you are an hardcore player that plays 10hours+ per day i dont think its imposible to get end game gear. It just requires a good toon to start farming the end game gear and a lot of patience.

Salari - Raging Tide

It is still possible to do, it is just a matter if you are going to put forth the effort to try. But lets get real. There is nothing in the game aside other players that requires top refines top shards ect. The best thing is to shoot for one simple goal and ignore the rest. When you start worrying about shards refines all around it is overwhelming. I have seen a lot of people going the ws weapon path instead of r9, with either a g16 set or r9 set.

At this time I am only working on defenses(nuema passives meridian and leveling up cards), nothing else. The defensive boost you get from those, not even counting additional attack damage is quite ridiculous. I have the coins for a sky cover and to upgrade it, but they are so rare now I just about given up on that.

mechabeastmc666

jwillson123 wrote: »

There are 3 areas that have become extremely hard or impossible to get without HEAVELY cashing.

1) Full JoD. DoD sell for 180m+ I think they at 200 million now if not they surely will be even more expensive with rate prices are growing.
24 x 3 = 72 DoD needed
72 x 200m = 14,400,000,000b

2) Emperor tome (Love me up and down sells for 2 billion on my server)(That is you lucky to find a seller)(Still possible to get by free methods but price keeps growing and growing and it sell fast at 2 billion.)

3) Full S card set 700 x 4 = 2,800 gold that is like 25,900,000,000 on my server i think
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1685521

4) Even more impossible full S card full neuma set. There is someone in my server that has the set and I was told he spend over 20,000 USD to get the set.
20,000 gold x 3.7m = 74,000,000,000b

So basically 90 billion to reach fully end gear...

Lets say you really good at making coins and earn 2 billion coins a month.
Lets be more realistic lets say you make 1 billion a month that = 7.5 years


getting real full end game neuma set would take you almost 4 years?
Also this is without considering economy inflation that is growing none stop and that by that time some of those items might become outdated.b:chuckle
One of the heaviest cashoppers in my server spend 60,000 usd on PWI then was angry at pwi because when R9r3 came made his gear outdated b:chuckle



Ok lets say you aim for just full S card set without neuma set

14,400,000,000 + 25,900,000,000 = 40,300,000,000

Been realistic = 3.3 years
Making 2 billion a month = 1.6 years(You would have to farm like mad + merchant heavely to archive this)
If we add inflation I guess 4 years to 2 years?
In 4 years the game would probably be dead by rate is going or your gear outdated b:shocked

I'd put my Life at stake to say this.

Without spending one Dime, You will NOT receive Rank 9 gear at All. You can forget about DoTs AND shards to go in the gear.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

I'd put my Life at stake to say this.

Without spending one Dime, You will NOT receive Rank 9 gear at All. You can forget about DoTs AND shards to go in the gear.

-snip- There's plenty of people that got their r9rr without spending a dime, including myself.

bloodedone87

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

I'd put my Life at stake to say this.

Without spending one Dime, You will NOT receive Rank 9 gear at All. You can forget about DoTs AND shards to go in the gear.

Congratulations you have lost your life. I seen your thread that you make about the posibility to get r9 in a year. I think you are frustrated( dont know if its the corect spelling) cause others did in 1-2 years what you couldn't do in 5 years of playing as you claimed.
Seriously you are a failure in this game and I dont have to see you playing to know that. I had to simply watch at everything you write on the post you made.
Sorry others for changing the topic here.

jwillson123

Full R9r3 is nothing these days. Half the server have full R9 now lol.
It did not take me full year to have enough to buy full R9 it took me 6 months.
Compared with full S card set and full JoD is pocket change.

But I do have to agree with you in something.
80% of the people who have full R9 cashed it.
Or they cashed half and farmed half.


How much does it cost and what the most efficient way to get from +10 to +12 dragon orbs?
Cost in gold or coins and if you on dreamweaver server then better.
what the price of +11 orb
what the price of +12 orb

Its better to buy a +12 orb when is on sale or is better to make it with dragon orbs +1 + dragon ocean combination?

mechabeastmc666

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

-snip- There's plenty of people that got their r9rr without spending a dime, including myself.

-snip-

Just because you said it doesn't make it actually true.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

mechabeastmc666 wrote: »

-snip-

Just because you said it doesn't make it actually true.

Mech, word of advice, don't use arguments that backfire on you.

Sure DionDagger said something, that is his/her opinion. By same token, you said something that is your opinion. So don't go telling other people that their opinion is wrong, if you are not willing to accept that your opinions are wrong as well.

Just because you bet your life on it, does not make it fact, it is your opinion. As you can gather, it is not welcome in this thread, as we are not discussing the viability of getting r9 here. We are discussing whether full endgame gear is possible in a f2p manner or not.

Back on topic, to OP, you might want to add in the cost of leveling cards, that cost is considerable as well. Especially if you go for A card set rebirth.

mechabeastmc666

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Mech, word of advice, don't use arguments that backfire on you.

Sure DionDagger said something, that is his/her opinion. By same token, you said something that is your opinion. So don't go telling other people that their opinion is wrong, if you are not willing to accept that your opinions are wrong as well.

Just because you bet your life on it, does not make it fact, it is your opinion. As you can gather, it is not welcome in this thread, as we are not discussing the viability of getting r9 here. We are discussing whether full endgame gear is possible in a f2p manner or not.

Back on topic, to OP, you might want to add in the cost of leveling cards, that cost is considerable as well. Especially if you go for A card set rebirth.

Advice ignored.

jwillson123

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Mech, word of advice, don't use arguments that backfire on you.

Sure DionDagger said something, that is his/her opinion. By same token, you said something that is your opinion. So don't go telling other people that their opinion is wrong, if you are not willing to accept that your opinions are wrong as well.

Just because you bet your life on it, does not make it fact, it is your opinion. As you can gather, it is not welcome in this thread, as we are not discussing the viability of getting r9 here. We are discussing whether full endgame gear is possible in a f2p manner or not.

Back on topic, to OP, you might want to add in the cost of leveling cards, that cost is considerable as well. Especially if you go for A card set rebirth.

I get lots of C cards from FSP and daily b:chuckle
I plan to focus on gear first then focus on cards. We never know what will happen and it may become easier in a future update.


mechabeastmc666 please post on your thread do not post here you are making people rage here and is getting the thread out of the main theme focus.

Anyone know what is best way to get dragon orb +11 and +12?
Is better to make them or wait for a sale?

mechabeastmc666

jwillson123 wrote: »

I get lots of C cards from FSP and daily b:chuckle
I plan to focus on gear first then focus on cards. We never know what will happen and it may become easier in a future update.


mechabeastmc666 please post on your thread do not post here you are making people rage here and is getting the thread out of the main theme focus.

Anyone know what is best way to get dragon orb +11 and +12?
Is better to make them or wait for a sale?

I couldn't care less about people's feelings. Not my fault if they rage. I Didn't go off topic, what i said made them angry and they went off topic from there. Im not going to Lie to you though Like they would. You might not know it know but later down the road you will 100% see what im talking about. But none the less Sure. Dont be disappointed when none of the Promised methods works out though. It's a classic case of "easier said than done" To answer you question before i go, It is possible to get full JOSD and +12, ect. Be ready to spend 3-4 years of your actual human life to do it though.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Let me see if it works out, i belive +11 and +12 sales are the best options now, due to high gold price.

Ocean orb = 25 gold = 102m

1155 1* orbs at 200k each (buy side shop) = 231m

Roughly costs 330m to make 11*

11* on sale = 85 gold?

at 4m if you can buy the gold that is 346m cost.


Now we assume ocean orb = 30 gold = 122m for ocean.

231m+122m = 353m ~ 350m.

The price difference is minute between 346m, 350m.

The things that will influence your decision

1) What is the gold price you are buying gold at?
2) How easy is it to buy your gold and amount of gold?
3) What is the 1* orb price on the buy side?
4) How easily can you buy 1155 orbs when the sale is on at your desired price?

If for example 1* price goes to 215k, 11* cost = 370m.

20m = significant amount.

On sanctuary people sell 1* at 250k in shops by the bucket loads and they sell out quick. At 250k, the cost is 410m for +11 orb.

Similar things apply for 12*.

These days i just buy gold, buy the dragon fire packs, and hope to get a 12*. So far no luck b:victory after 5k packs. Buying packs to get your 1* = expensive option as well. So hard call to make.

jwillson123

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let me see if it works out, i belive +11 and +12 sales are the best options now, due to high gold price.

Ocean orb = 25 gold = 102m

1155 1* orbs at 200k each (buy side shop) = 231m

Roughly costs 330m to make 11*

11* on sale = 85 gold?

at 4m if you can buy the gold that is 346m cost.


Now we assume ocean orb = 30 gold = 122m for ocean.

231m+122m = 353m ~ 350m.

The price difference is minute between 346m, 350m.

The things that will influence your decision

1) What is the gold price you are buying gold at?
2) How easy is it to buy your gold and amount of gold?
3) What is the 1* orb price on the buy side?
4) How easily can you buy 1155 orbs when the sale is on at your desired price?

If for example 1* price goes to 215k, 11* cost = 370m.

20m = significant amount.

On sanctuary people sell 1* at 250k in shops by the bucket loads and they sell out quick. At 250k, the cost is 410m for +11 orb.

Similar things apply for 12*.

These days i just buy gold, buy the dragon fire packs, and hope to get a 12*. So far no luck b:victory after 5k packs. Buying packs to get your 1* = expensive option as well. So hard call to make.

Thank you! you tell me what I wanted to know.
Now I need to calculate the price for +12
I want to +12 weapon and NW ornaments as end gear and leave rest at +10.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Full endgame gear is hard to define. The current idea about the term end game seems to be:
R9 +12 with vit stones/deity/JOSD. Emperor tome. Mostly S cards.

Of course you can want reborn S cards and a set of them, but that is not realistic.

The thing is however, whatever is not realistic in free to play is even less realistic for cash shopping. While undoubtedly there are a few who spend 10k+, for most people cashshopping is about 100s of dollars while experienced players can pretty well make the equivalent of 500-1000$ per month in game.

In another thread people tried to get some stubborn fool into his head how you can get 3 billion coins in the first year of playing for R9. While indeed super endgame stuff like you talk about is a whole different ball game then bare R9, you also need to realise that money making is kind of exponential. I merchanted my way to a 5 billion coin budget. At the end i easilly made 1b from merching alone each month. If you keep growing it to 10bil it could very well double. Farming can very well add another bil per month if you want to actually work for it.

So then you make 3 bil or the equivalent of 1000$ per month. It still depends on your defenition of end game. In 2 years* youd have 24k dollars worth. That is buys gear more than i think anyone has on my server. Still it is far from the limit.

*So not 2 years from when you started playing, but 2 years from where i got in 2 years, so thats 4 years total

Redmenace - Heavens Tear

jwillson123 wrote: »

Full R9r3 is nothing these days. Half the server have full R9 now lol.

No, just the ones making all the noise, here and ingame.

\seriously

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Since when did a full Nuema set or an Emperor tome give you any kind of significant advantage in PvP over the much, much cheaper options? It's not like Person A will ever beat Person B only because Person A had Emperor and B did not.

To me, this rings just like the "OMG WARSOUL IS SO EXPENSIVE NO ONE WILL EVER REACH ENDGAME" or "OMG R9 IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET NO ONE WILL EVER REACH ENDGAME" that we used to have back in the day.

jwillson123

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since when did a full Nuema set or an Emperor tome give you any kind of significant advantage in PvP over the much, much cheaper options? It's not like Person A will ever beat Person B only because Person A had Emperor and B did not.

To me, this rings just like the "OMG WARSOUL IS SO EXPENSIVE NO ONE WILL EVER REACH ENDGAME" or "OMG R9 IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET NO ONE WILL EVER REACH ENDGAME" that we used to have back in the day.

There is a big Difference a really BIG Difference between your average A cards and S card set.

http://aster.ohmydays.net/pw/waravatar/#class=6&a0=6,80,0,2&a1=7,80,0,2&a2=8,80,0,2&a3=9,80,0,2&a4=54,80,0,2&a5=53,80,0,2


http://gyazo.com/c513a2d94675c5980c1d9086485ea2c8

Total From All Cards
neuma set
HP: +3183
Phys. Attack +1586
Mag. Attack +1586
Phys. Res.: +2830
Mag. Res.: +4154
Spirit +588
Def. Level +2
Att. Level +7
Magic +10
Dexterity +10
Vitality +10
Critical Hit Rate +1%

vs

Total From All Cards
Average random A card set

HP: +1029
Phys. Attack +418
Mag. Attack +418
Phys. Res.: +778
Mag. Res.: +1168
Spirit +178
Def. Level +2
Att. Level +3
Strength +10
Magic +10
Vitality +10
Slaying Level +4
Demonwarding Level +2


http://gyazo.com/ee59149a6efe810a71b776b13dd9f1c9

vs
S card set random

Total From All Cards

HP: +1794
Phys. Attack +824
Mag. Attack +824
Phys. Res.: +1685
Mag. Res.: +2707
Spirit +294
Att. Level +5
Strength +10
Vitality +10
Critical Hit Rate +1%


vs
A card set

Total From All Cards

HP: +2218
Phys. Attack +708
Mag. Attack +708
Phys. Res.: +2612
Mag. Res.: +2345
Spirit +302
Def. Level +1
Att. Level +3
Strength +20
Critical Hit Rate +1%


and you already know the benefit of having 48 defense levels stacked with R9r3 bonus and ornaments etc.


But then again I gave it up already I am just gonna get average A cards with the S free card.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Full endgame gear is hard to define. The current idea about the term end game seems to be:
R9 +12 with vit stones/deity/JOSD. Emperor tome. Mostly S cards.

Of course you can want reborn S cards and a set of them, but that is not realistic.

The thing is however, whatever is not realistic in free to play is even less realistic for cash shopping. While undoubtedly there are a few who spend 10k+, for most people cashshopping is about 100s of dollars while experienced players can pretty well make the equivalent of 500-1000$ per month in game.

In another thread people tried to get some stubborn fool into his head how you can get 3 billion coins in the first year of playing for R9. While indeed super endgame stuff like you talk about is a whole different ball game then bare R9, you also need to realise that money making is kind of exponential. I merchanted my way to a 5 billion coin budget. At the end i easilly made 1b from merching alone each month. If you keep growing it to 10bil it could very well double. Farming can very well add another bil per month if you want to actually work for it.

So then you make 3 bil or the equivalent of 1000$ per month. It still depends on your defenition of end game. In 2 years* youd have 24k dollars worth. That is buys gear more than i think anyone has on my server. Still it is far from the limit.

*So not 2 years from when you started playing, but 2 years from where i got in 2 years, so thats 4 years total

But can 3 billion can be made merchandising ?
I do make good coins merchanting but I sometimes feel like I have hit the market limit from merchanting.
Making more than 2 billion I do not know if that possible from merchating alone.
Also farming I don't know...
People say they can farm 1 billion worth of coins in a month in TT
I know that is possible to farm a billion worth or mats but how is it possible to sell 1 billion worth of mats in a month?
People rarely buy from my TT catshop at all and there is always people selling the matts 1/5 of the price.Even if I buy their mats to try to resell them the next day more cheap TT mats appear!
I just find the market slow compared to another one I do that earn me 10m+ a day always.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since when did a full Nuema set or an Emperor tome give you any kind of significant advantage in PvP over the much, much cheaper options? It's not like Person A will ever beat Person B only because Person A had Emperor and B did not.

To me, this rings just like the "OMG WARSOUL IS SO EXPENSIVE NO ONE WILL EVER REACH ENDGAME" or "OMG R9 IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET NO ONE WILL EVER REACH ENDGAME" that we used to have back in the day.

people miss used the word nuema for S card set
Nuemas are indeed not that huge although certainly worth your effort.

just an emperor tome is also not going to make the difference, but it all adds up. Comparing a player whos is "just"R9 +10/11 with maybe vit stones moderately cheap tome, G14 neck etc to one who is fully +12,JOSD,Emperor,G16 recast neck, heaven ravenger.
That is indeed a world of difference. And every bit is of course part of it. You cant dismiss these things because by themselves they dont make a decisive difference. Together they do.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Just an info thing. Warsong card set = 2nd best compare to nuema portal S card set. But if you rebirth your warsong set, it becomes equal to or slightly better than the nuema portal S card set. Since S cards can not be rebirthed, the warsong set is something to max out while we wait for S cards to be able to be maxed out.

Getting A cards for warsong is easier than S card nuema portal set.

Joe - Morai

I don't really know why everyone is so fixiated on S-Cards. I never really cared about S-Cards. I just need 2 more A-Cards (Locan and Chigo) and I will have a full EU-A Set (Six Candleflame Sovereigns) that is by far superior to random S-Cards, even if they are lvled to 80. Granted, I got most of the other set cards (especially the Prime-ones) multiple times, so I can reborn them nearly instantly the moment I got the last 2 ones.

I opened A-Packs until now that would equal ~1b coins in C-Packs (at a pricing of ~400k each). That surely depends on luck but that option is open to everyone. A full first reborn AU-Set is on par with and 4-Card S-Set thats not reborn but lvled to 80 (simply cuz you get the 70% bonus for any of the 6 cards, instead of just 4) and by far better then just random lvl80 S-cards. Even the Aba-Set or SoT-Set are worthwhile compared to the redicolous costs of S-Cards.

Meanwhile I would have gotten multiply 4- or 5-Card A-Sets. But I solely strife for the EU-Set.

It just takes a bit longer since you can't cash those A-Packs. Still, you have a way higher chance to obtain A-Cards via the 20-fsp-coin A-Packs then you have outta the S-Packs. Don't even start on the chance of getting a S-Card.

Surely, one could argue now that S-Cards got way higher potential due to the fact that they can get reborn too, but seriously? Being better then someone who payed not even 10% of what you would need to pay to surpass them is redicolous.

Unless you are going to spend 10k-20k USD on this game anyways I suggest you stick with A-Cards and grab a good set.

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just an info thing. Warsong card set = 2nd best compare to nuema portal S card set. But if you rebirth your warsong set, it becomes equal to or slightly better than the nuema portal S card set. Since S cards can not be rebirthed, the warsong set is something to max out while we wait for S cards to be able to be maxed out.

Getting A cards for warsong is easier than S card nuema portal set.

Wut? S-Cards can be reborned. It is just very unlikely to get the same S-Card multiple times let alone getting a whole Set to begin with.

The Warsong set is out of reach. You need a single S-Card for that set. If you get lucky and get this card then yeah you might wanna go for it, but if not, rather stick to the EU-Set. Besides. A Nuema Portal set that is at lvl80, non-rebirth is still slightly better then a full 2nd reborn EU or Warsong set (cuz you won't reborn the S-Card in the ws set it is worse then the EU-Set).

WannaBM - Archosaur

wilson: i said 2 bil from merching. I think that should be possible because i made 1 bil very easilly being lazy with only 5 mil budget. In my lazyness i almost completely moved on from the day trading to investing. I didnt care much anymore to sell during the sales at small margins. I only sold my stuff the month after the sale. And certainly i never touched the old token market anymore. If you would keep focussing on both aspects, multiple markets and have a bigger budget, 2 bil should really be doable.

As for the farming. At this moment it is very bad to sell 3-3 gold mats because we just had too much 2x. If you want to consistently farm a lot and keep selling your stuff, you need to diversify and farm all TTs from 2-3 up to 3-3 (all of them can make roughly equal profit with maybe the exception of 3-1) And also farm lunar during 2x. On top of that you can farm aba for spirits.

Joe, i agree. Those S cards is a bit of theorizing or looking to the future.
Unleveled, a 3 set of A cards is as good as 3 S cards on those spots. A bigger sets of A cards would be even better than single S cards.
When you max level them however, it starts to change a bit, the S cards can now get as good as a 6 sets of A cards.
So its still not better to have all S cards, but youll need to farm FSP for quite a long while (with average luck) to equal it. 1 year of dayly FSP should be needed on average to get medium sets (3/4) and multiple small sets(2). 2-3 years of dayly FSP should be needed on average to get 5/6 sets.

However if you would manage to get a 6set of S cards and max level them, it really starts to stand out. If you can rebirth those, it becomes rediculously OP.
None of that is realistic at this point though. It only becomes realisting once people have spend 20k+ CSing or when new instances are introduced where S cards can be farmed at a proper rate. (which i only expect to happen after S cards are no longer the latest and best thing and something new is introduced to give cashers a chance to stand out)

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just an info thing. Warsong card set = 2nd best compare to nuema portal S card set. But if you rebirth your warsong set, it becomes equal to or slightly better than the nuema portal S card set. Since S cards can not be rebirthed, the warsong set is something to max out while we wait for S cards to be able to be maxed out.

Getting A cards for warsong is easier than S card nuema portal set.

Not sure where you are getting your info from. Here's Asterelles war avatar calc links for these two;

Warsong Set @ 2nd awakened A cards, maxed non reawakened S card;

HP: +2765
Phys. Attack +1512
Mag. Attack +1512
Phys. Res.: +2612
Mag. Res.: +3536
Spirit +484
Def. Level +1
Att. Level +3
Strength +20
Critical Hit Rate +1%

Nuema Portal @ maxed non reawakened set;

HP: +3183
Phys. Attack +2092
Mag. Attack +2092
Phys. Res.: +2830
Mag. Res.: +4154
Spirit +588
Def. Level +2
Att. Level +7
Magic +10
Dexterity +10
Vitality +10
Critical Hit Rate +1%


Also S cards can be rebirthed/reawakened - see here