Luring

CapsunelSin - Lost City

does zeal no longer work for luring mobs/bosses just came back to game andwont work for me anymore just pulls everything

MageMERC - Harshlands

CapsunelSin - Lost City wrote: »

does zeal no longer work for luring mobs/bosses just came back to game andwont work for me anymore just pulls everything

It works as it always did. And, as has always been the case, some mobs you cant lure with zeal and will pull all close by.

krisnda

You could also get a veno and lures will 100%* work.


*Assuming they know what they are doing.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Krisnda wrote: »

You could also get a veno and lures will 100%* work.


*Assuming they know what they are doing.

Or a mystic. =P

Mingkeey - Lost City

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Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Earthflame has a 25 meter range, and no indicator when you're in range.

Other than getting in too close and having the whole group aggro (whether or not Earthflame is actually used), the only places you can not lure a boss away from adds I'm aware of is at the 3 FB39 bosses, where the adds will always follow the bosses irrespective of luring method. Places where the bosses spawn adds are different, of course.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Most likely you were into BB range or someone just healed you. If that happens, it doesnt work cuz the mob takes heal agro which is just like agroing it without earthflame and pulls the group.

Verenor - Morai

Zeal's lureskill always works. It's other things that affect a failed lure:
- Heal aggro
- You were too close
- The boss' attacks can also aggro mobs if you are standing close to them (far enough so they don't aggro you automatically, but close enough to still be affected by the aoe-aggro.) Perfect example is Steelation in TT3-1 and Stygean in BH79 with mobs close to him: Zeal lures boss alone, mobs stay put, boss attacks player who's still near mobs and mobs get aggro'd.

The only reason why veno/mystics can lure with 100% is because their pets can go further away than the 25m range from Earthflame, meaning you're always out of range for other mobs to get aggro upon boss' attack :P

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Verenor - Morai wrote: »

The only reason why veno/mystics can lure with 100% is because their pets can go further away than the 25m range from Earthflame, meaning you're always out of range for other mobs to get aggro upon boss' attack :P

Veno don't even need a pet to lure they can just use the skill Tame Beast.

Verenor - Morai

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Veno don't even need a pet to lure they can just use the skill Tame Beast.

Tame Beast is only 12m range if pw.ecatomb is right, so Tame Beast would also aggro the mobs surrounding the boss and fail the lure.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Most likely you were into BB range or someone just healed you. If that happens, it doesnt work cuz the mob takes heal agro which is just like agroing it without earthflame and pulls the group.

This was a change made a while ago. It's possible that the OP left before they changed the aggro mechanics.

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide

Verenor - Morai wrote: »

Tame Beast is only 12m range if pw.ecatomb is right, so Tame Beast would also aggro the mobs surrounding the boss and fail the lure.

*this* i never understood why veno's used tame. its often far more risky, less response time once you pull aggro so makes an easy KO on a veno attacked by a boss or even physical mobs in some instances. other alternatives to earth flame as mentioned are veno/mystic pets. but you can also use seeker angels as well, just make sure to right click on the highlighted skill to turn it off so you don't aoe.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

*this* i never understood why veno's used tame. its often far more risky, less response time once you pull aggro so makes an easy KO on a veno attacked by a boss or even physical mobs in some instances. other alternatives to earth flame as mentioned are veno/mystic pets. but you can also use seeker angels as well, just make sure to right click on the highlighted skill to turn it off so you don't aoe.

And I saw a ton of venos failing at luring with their pets, but never saw a veno failing at luring with Tame.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear

Krisnda wrote: »

You could also get a veno and lures will 100%* work.


*Assuming they know what they are doing.

yeah lets call a stupid veno or mystic in.

Alphaben - Raging Tide

Even Seekers can lure...Archangels b:victory

Or Arme Nier...

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Luring with genie does say if you are not in range. You need to display your system message in your current window.

As for luring a group, it happens. I pull the captains from the same spot in fcc, sometimes the captain strolls in, other times every one crashes the party. It is most likely that you were an ittsy bitssy too close when you did it.

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

*this* i never understood why veno's used tame. its often far more risky, less response time once you pull aggro so makes an easy KO on a veno attacked by a boss or even physical mobs in some instances. other alternatives to earth flame as mentioned are veno/mystic pets. but you can also use seeker angels as well, just make sure to right click on the highlighted skill to turn it off so you don't aoe.

If you are alone, and your pet is able to tank, you can hold your pet like 20 meters away from the mob and use Tame Pet as a luring skill, run, then send your pet to take aggro. It is good if you have a pet with buffs like herc or an evolved walker, you won't have to spend time rebuffing.

Also, if you don't have earthflame or don't want to spend your genie's energy/stamina.

Venos can also use a ranged pet like a cactopod to buy some seconds, but it is a rare pet among them.

Salari - Raging Tide

there are several mobs that will agro even if you are out of range when you use a zeal. I can not remember off hand but there was a mob you could lure and if you lured a specific one the rest would not lure but if you lured the wrong one they all came

krisnda

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »

yeah lets call a stupid veno or mystic in.

Like the people failing with Zeal Genies? b:chuckle

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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Luring is for the weak, run in it and kill everything. b:pleased

Colum - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Luring is for the weak, run in it and kill everything. b:pleased

YES!!!!! b:pleased

opkossy

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Luring is for the weak, run in it and kill everything. b:pleased

I'm pretty sure running in and killing everything is luring. Namely you're luring everything that moves, and several things that don't, to their deaths.

That is how it works, isn't it? b:question

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

OPKossy wrote: »

I'm pretty sure running in and killing everything is luring. Namely you're luring everything that moves, and several things that don't, to their deaths.

That is how it works, isn't it? b:question

Nah I think you confound luring and pulling. b:pleased

Rosie_Caster - Harshlands

Krisnda wrote: »

You could also get a veno and lures will 100%* work.

HA!!!!!

this was before r9 came out. when r8 was considered overpowered

me and 3 other ppl were doing tt2-2 forshura

2 clerics 1 barb and a veno
the veno uses her frog to hit the boss. frog dies. i drop bb and book it out of there because the real forshura stayed where he was. and all the clones came and attacked

i resed everyone. and we tried again. she used the pet tame skill that SHOULD lure. nope
everything came at us

opkossy

Rosie_Caster - Harshlands wrote: »

HA!!!!!

this was before r9 came out. when r8 was considered overpowered

me and 3 other ppl were doing tt2-2 forshura

2 clerics 1 barb and a veno
the veno uses her frog to hit the boss. frog dies. i drop bb and book it out of there because the real forshura stayed where he was. and all the clones came and attacked

i resed everyone. and we tried again. she used the pet tame skill that SHOULD lure. nope
everything came at us

And this is why whoever does that needs to be outside of BB and not go back into it until after whatever they were after moves towards them.

Otherwise, lolhealaggro = everything joins in on chasing you.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Rosie_Caster - Harshlands wrote: »

HA!!!!!

this was before r9 came out. when r8 was considered overpowered

me and 3 other ppl were doing tt2-2 forshura

2 clerics 1 barb and a veno
the veno uses her frog to hit the boss. frog dies. i drop bb and book it out of there because the real forshura stayed where he was. and all the clones came and attacked

i resed everyone. and we tried again. she used the pet tame skill that SHOULD lure. nope
everything came at us

She maybe used a level 30 frog which is dumb, I dunno why venos use weak pets to lure and if you was in BB while she was luring it could explain why everything came at you.

Some venos just suck at luring, same with mystics as some stupid clerics just doesn't understand the healing aggro and will heal the person luring and wonder why all mobs came.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Ecatomb's wrong, (I think skill description is wrong), Tame Beast has the same range as Earthflame (25 meters), but has the advantage that you will run to max range when you use it rather than inching in and guessing when you're in range.