NW Squads

creysero

Hello,

Would it be possible to remove the option to make an Squad for NW? An solution can be 5 mins before NW starts we all get ported in any room where we all automatically leave our squad and wont be able to start a new one... and from there we can enter NW with any NPC.

Guess this would give NW more balanced teams as it has now... Image 3 OP Squads get in same nation then its kinda already Game Over for the rest nations.

Feel free to comment on this if its an good idea or not.

Zoldi - Morai

If this is possible to have the three best teams in same nation why wouldn't it be possible for one nation to get the "most dangerous" toons in same nation as well?
More over, I think than Perfect World is more designed for group pvp (with team play) than for solo pvp, so why would they make that kind of decision?

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver

No need to overcomplicate if they meant for this. They could just modify the 'Random' nation selection and make people get into random nation regardless of being in squad or not.

But, by the other hand: Nation war is designed to be done in group. You can go solo if you wish, but the design of it is more of a squad pvp design.

Now, they could of course add an individual massive (each one by themself) PvP with great rewards like, has the arena been thus long.

Theater of blood is almost like that, but, too bad its lame and barely rewarding.

trands

Ewwwww no. Don't force squads/members on ppl for NW. I like NW with a squad made of friends and faction members. I will never squad up with random ppl in a nation just to please some justice crusaders. Ppl should squad with players that have the same vision and expectations, otherwise NW will be no fun for anyone.

The main reason NW isn't balanced comes from the fact that no machine can make a distinction between alts, players that just map-hop for reward, players that want to solo, players that want to pk, players that try to win maps and so on. Luck is part of a battle's outcome, just deal with it.

Zoldi - Morai

trands wrote: »

just to please some justice crusaders.

I agree with what you said but anyway even to please the "justice crusaders" it wouldn't be a good solution in my opinion.
Having the best teams/players is not a guarantee to win the Nation War because you can find strategies to go around them or make them split up. Or you could have the three other nations attack this one nation only. This is very rare to see the same nation keeping the first place from the beginning of the NW until the end.

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

The OP players will still be OP, whether they are in a squad of their making ke not. And not allowing friends or faction members squad together would make NW less enjoyable for most players. Besides, I like doing NW with friends in game even if we don't compare to the OP squads.

Edit: to the original poster...would you still want your suggestion if you were in the same nation with the three OP squads?

I've been in nations with OP squads in it and we didn't win, or even come in second. It's just luck of the draw.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

I agree with the OP. It shouldn't matter what allies or enemies one had before the war began; this shouldn't be the same as TW or PK where you can so easily choose with whom you squad with. Powerful players will still be powerful, but at least they'll be more than likely distributed among other nations instead of grouping up together.

creysero

You guys got some good points i dident thought about haha. But thought it would some how make the teams more balanced orso.

Today 08:43 AM
LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

Edit: to the original poster...would you still want your suggestion if you were in the same nation with the three OP squads?

I've been in nations with OP squads in it and we didn't win, or even come in second. It's just luck of the draw.

I'm always in an OP squad at NW's since i got descent gears aswell but like i said you guys have good points.

Zoldi - Morai

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It shouldn't matter what allies or enemies one had before the war began; this shouldn't be the same as TW or PK where you can so easily choose with whom you squad with. Powerful players will still be powerful, but at least they'll be more than likely distributed among other nations instead of grouping up together.

Still each squad is limited to 10 people anyway and I don't think that one squad can dominate a Nation War alone. Then if the three best teams (which is hard to define in the first place) are in the same nation this is just bad luck, even though this is not a guarantee for them to win. And you could add to that that in the end the rewards will be spread amongst the people within the nation, which means that if the best people are in the same nation they might get less personal rewards (tokens).
This is pretty balanced this way in my opinion... If they must work on something to balance that even more, they should work on the way people get personal points (alts that can get a lot of points while "real people" can end with no reward at all)

Evryn - Morai

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

(alts that can get a lot of points while "real people" can end with no reward at all)

This. This indicates the broken mechanic. Maphopping shouldn't even give you a reward... but there's always the problem that the "little guys" (people < G16 +8) end up getting oneshotted whenever they meet any form of serious resistance. That invites the people who can't survive in a stand-up fight to not even bother to try, and go for an alternate reward.

Personally I've never joined a NW since I've joined this game, but I've been considering plopping my cler main on a selfbuff/partybuff routine in the main base and leech some tokens that way simply because I can, and need the items.

Because to actually fight is pointless and less rewarding.

trands

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

this shouldn't be the same as TW or PK where you can so easily choose with whom you squad with. Powerful players will still be powerful, but at least they'll be more than likely distributed among other nations instead of grouping up together.

TW has a lot of contraints on squad making and should follow the interests of the faction with squads made by whoever does that in a faction. NW should allow friends to squad togather, without restrictions like same faction and such. At least, that's my opinion.

I have a lot of fun in NW because I'm with friends. My squad isn't all super geared. Heck, sometimes I'm the only one who's "strong". Just need to change your strategy on that. The biggest issue is that there are so many just playing for rewards (and thus solo/multiple alts) and the huge group of players that consider they are to weak to even try grouping/entering (and thus don't go). With a squad, you'll be amazed by what you can do and resist thanks to full buffs and focusing.

Colum - Raging Tide

Don't remove squad option from NW. I like to do group PVP there and I do not like TW so it's a suitable option for my faction to squad up for NW and have some teamwork together.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Its difficult to "fix" NW. Balance is already an illusion anyway when a max geared player can 1v4 low refined R9s, 1v10 the average G16s and totally ignore the even weaker players.

I also think the NW experience could be improved if they were to find a way to make individual battles more balanced. The majority of battles are like 10v2 or 30v10 etc.

Being in a squad is fun though. Even though it is detrimental to your personal results (because being in squad increases the amount of 20v2 battles you and up in) i do it just because NWing alone is so boring (very good both for your score and for your nation if you consistently go to empty lands and capture them with just 1-3 players)