Elimination/Jail hunter

Shadowvzss - Harshlands

i am really kinda pissed with full buffed in 3rd gear jail hunter make cooldown my charm alone and eliminiation max+hit already kill me....

i am the only one who feel the dev team directly wany kill the wizz class?
since i already noticed most of wizz friend started roll psy etc because lost the faith in wizz


REALLY wtf going? if somebody want pvp then need roll psy or sin+12?

Gnip - Raging Tide

I am also debating on leaving my wizard. The recent update has made the wizard one of the bottom among the classes. Unless they make a few minor tweaks to our skills i fear more and more people will be leaving the wizard class behind.

XXHotXx - Morai

i am actually forced to use a 155 dex genie (no AD no chi eruption) to be able to reach kind of half the dph ouput of assassins that i actually outgear tho

cant even consider dps with our current chann+cast+cooldown times

yea we got nerfd, not substantial nerfs, but we got nerfd

while other classes got more or less buffed up

its like we did 1 step back and other classes did 3 steps forward... 10 steps forward if we consider assassins

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Oh look a 25K pdef self buff class complaining about damage b:laugh b:laugh b:laugh

You really telling me you can't DD without spark b:laugh

Shadowvzss - Harshlands

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh look a 25K pdef self buff class complaining about damage b:laugh b:laugh b:laugh

You really telling me you can't DD without spark b:laugh

maybe 25k self buffed pdef but lowest hp and new skill on 50k pdef barb do over 15k damage... kinda 1 max 2 skill another archar/sin/cast so fun this game no?

on my sin friend the sparked elimination 50k dmg when he full buffed (r9 3rd+12 and nw pdef neck) so go ahead with any non full vit or 200 def lv class

its like we did 1 step back and other classes did 3 steps forward... 10 steps forward if we consider assassins

this right, well not every other class got immense upgrade, their damage increased wel, better than our but not event compareable with sin/psy[psy because before that they didnt got that much base dmg so was more difference when they used 100% eq dmg skill vs high % skill, since they can spam aoe and kinda no visible difference between 300% eq and 100% eq dmg it boosted them so well], so i couldn't say cleric became op, also i think barb needed boost (but not in offence, in defence more boost could be more realistic for tank class) but sin profited from this upgrade mostly, they can solo better everything in pve, alot more defence in pvp and dmg increased too much what is irealistic for fast hitter class when get strongest skill than dph class for who takes 6sec 1 nuke skill and 2 spark

Gnip - Raging Tide

don't you love how morons like to chime in with irrelevant little comments.

Here's a thought, almost all classes except wizards now have a skill or two which bypasses most defenses. wizards unlike healers or disablers like psy relied upon their higher defense and kiting ability to survive. But with the newer skills having an unavoidable disable some reaching over 7 seconds a wizards ability to survive has greatly decreased. Couple that with our spark being nerfed we wizards find ourselves near the bottom of the pk scale.

I argue that most wizards have little chance against comparably geared opponents at least 1v1. in fact most of our victories are against lowered geared opponents.

On my sin it is a different story. he can routinely take on and defeat higher geared foes regularly. My bm and barb to a lesser extent. My seeker and mystic really didn't see too much of a change.

as you can see i have several classes i routinely play and the one who has dropped the most would be my wizard. and thus the dissatisfaction.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

R9rr sins hit me for 15K NW buffed and I'm G16+7 LA so idk wtf you get 50k from. If you're letting 3spark sin hit you with elimination in post 1.4 purify blink class with genie that's just...you.

w/e. I leave this convo.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

R9rr sins hit me for 15K NW buffed and I'm G16+7 LA so idk wtf you get 50k from. If you're letting 3spark sin hit you with elimination in post 1.4 purify blink class with genie that's just...you.

w/e. I leave this convo.

1 hit or total damage lol
we talk about total damage since it's do 5 hit, and sin was sage 3rd +12 deity sin (without jonas blessing) vs josd/few vit 3rd sin

u cant skip the 3rd spark if spark+jump to u lol, with 80% crit rate most of hit crit, well u can leave convo and live in pink dreams but that don't make this game more balanced

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

1 hit or total damage lol
we talk about total damage since it's do 5 hit, and sin was sage 3rd +12 deity sin (without jonas blessing) vs josd/few vit 3rd sin

u cant skip the 3rd spark if spark+jump to u lol, with 80% crit rate most of hit crit, well u can leave convo and live in pink dreams but that don't make this game more balanced

320% base damage reduced by pdef on the lowest base damage class. Elimination rarely 1 shots me from +12 daggers with 168 atk lvs and 776 dex. I have r9rr+7 with 15k pdef fully buffed, so yes, i don't know where the hell you get 50k from. And I have tested this on myself unbuffed as well, the damage is barely 20k unbuffed most of the time. Only a barb would even have 50k HP, so unless you are playing a r9rr barb, you are just pulling numbers out of your ***. I call BS on this thread.

Euzebe - Sanctuary

Meh, the really funny part is the roll a psy bit. Yup, go for the class with the lowest physical resistance. I don't even think elimination is broken by Soul of Silence.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

320% base damage reduced by pdef on the lowest base damage class. Elimination rarely 1 shots me from +12 daggers with 168 atk lvs and 776 dex. I have r9rr+7 with 15k pdef fully buffed, so yes, i don't know where the hell you get 50k from. And I have tested this on myself unbuffed as well, the damage is barely 20k unbuffed most of the time. Only a barb would even have 50k HP, so unless you are playing a r9rr barb, you are just pulling numbers out of your ***. I call BS on this thread.

sound so end game ....

maybe miss from ur utterlt calculation u get charm tick+deaden and semi vit sin with buff over 35k hp so lets count how much dmg need for tick the charm+deaden

about ur attack level, lol that also look like so end gamish since i got that much attack level with simple 8 att lv bless box, and i have no chill of deep so what u talk about?

with 80% crit rate + zerk crits what comeing with nw neck/double rebirth/maxed passive dmg alot more...

if u not endgame then maybe stop caling bs ....

a barb got more mdef than ur pdef at semi end game with lunar neck +5 and ring +12 with only 4 piece of 3rd armor so how u talk about 15k pdef like endgame?

Yup, go for the class with the lowest physical resistance. I don't even think elimination is broken by Soul of Silence.

lowest resstance that right but more supportive skill what helpin staying alive

Gnip - Raging Tide

obvious misunderstanding.
you were talking about end game sins with about 600-700 spirit level
they are probably talking about sins walking around 300-500

vastly different experience between the two.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands

Gnip - Raging Tide wrote: »

obvious misunderstanding.
you were talking about end game sins with about 600-700 spirit level
they are probably talking about sins walking around 300-500

vastly different experience between the two.

but 776 dex and 15k pdef already not end game at all,. dont even talked about cards etc
attack level also not really endgamish and +7 gear is far from end game aswell so no ideea what he talk about because already can show sin can make 8k on 50k pdef with auto attack zerk crit and autoattack is 100% base dmg not 3x like skill.

Proski - Archosaur

people confuse equal gear with true end game all of the time. i've personally never played or spent enough to reach the latter, and neither have something like 90% of the players; as it turns out, even if ordinary players are on the cusp of hitting that threshold to put them into the 10%, you can count on pwi just raising the gear ceiling shortly thereafter anyhow.

I bring that up because there will never be a silver lining in any debates on balance in this game for at least 3 reasons: first, mmorpgs are inherently imbalanced, if you can't see that, that's your problem; second, the game will never evolve/improve/be refined unto a point where every character gets equitable treatment, because that's not the type of game culture that nets the highest profit; and third and most importantly, its all relative anyway ...

let me give you an example, archers are still considered OP by the vast majority of the players. not because they are busted at true end game per se, but because mechanically speaking, they are easy as **** to play, and most cs'ers, by virtue of their nature (eager to find an advantage), will play archers. also consider how much of a factor lag is, which affects a class like wizards unfavorably because of our natural delay and reliance on chi/clunky animations/so on, whereas an archer can just auto attack crit you over your max hp if your gear is even just 10-15% worse in value than theirs.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

let me give you an example, archers are still considered OP by the vast majority of the players. not because they are busted at true end game per se, but because mechanically speaking, they are easy as **** to play, and most cs'ers, by virtue of their nature (eager to find an advantage), will play archers. also consider how much of a factor lag is, which affects a class like wizards unfavorably because of our natural delay and reliance on chi/clunky animations/so on, whereas an archer can just auto attack crit you over your max hp if your gear is even just 10-15% worse in value than theirs.

that sin, not archer, sin most easier because with bp can solo most of thing what still tick alot more time on archer,=> farm alot faster better, alot easier reach end game, not like with casters, alot ppl make sin/bm for easier farm the stuffs for caster (or just them main) if cant affoird the cs

idk but more ppl who play alot reach the end game, that reason for alot ppl why play/grind/farm

here the point was how could make a class once 7.2k then 92k with lowest weapon dmg after fist/class, (i tested on my tiny sin with normal hit vs 3rd sparked+subsea lv10+wold emblem on same mob) and how this effective on skills what deal 4-5hit what triple the base dmg, problem isn't the high dmg only, it is make impossible to fight back vs egually geared high refined weapon people with attack lv etc (like u) because u dead before can react or if u react they can kill u after cooldown refresh same way with hoping with zerk (since with 60-70-80% crit rate grant most of hit crit), u cast 1 skill and reicive 5 with high chance with zerk crit is nasty, since they can make spark before, not like seeker/bm/archer them u see and can seal or run away

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

that sin, not archer, sin most easier because with bp can solo most of thing what still tick alot more time on archer,=> farm alot faster better, alot easier reach end game, not like with casters, alot ppl make sin/bm for easier farm the stuffs for caster (or just them main) if cant affoird the cs

idk but more ppl who play alot reach the end game, that reason for alot ppl why play/grind/farm

here the point was how could make a class once 7.2k then 92k with lowest weapon dmg after fist/class, (i tested on my tiny sin with normal hit vs 3rd sparked+subsea lv10+wold emblem on same mob) and how this effective on skills what deal 4-5hit what triple the base dmg, problem isn't the high dmg only, it is make impossible to fight back vs egually geared high refined weapon people with attack lv etc (like u) because u dead before can react or if u react they can kill u after cooldown refresh same way with hoping with zerk (since with 60-70-80% crit rate grant most of hit crit), u cast 1 skill and reicive 5 with high chance with zerk crit is nasty, since they can make spark before, not like seeker/bm/archer them u see and can seal or run away

Are you stupid? This convo is about PvP not PvE.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Are you stupid? This convo is about PvP not PvE.

u use god like mode and do end game set and 2x lv105 without any pve action, gg, can u tell me your secret? i want know that too since u seems pro if i idiot

(oh u cash shoper with rich daddy? why not started with that?)

nvm no logic in gear "maybe" sometimes peoples do pve stuff for later beign 2 hit from sin...


(btw in sin threads can see how they kill archer without any problem with new skills)

(if u mean to damage test on mob than it is obviously same way work in pve, increased like hell with combo only the defence difference and pvp reduction, but same way once normal hit could be 8x higher than another time and if we triple it with a skill, and say that not big deal then it is interesting view point, until ur charm not instantly ticked by the skill)