Speak up HL!
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
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Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »The integrity of the game has been tarnished and more Harshland players should speak up!
Funny how players from other servers tell us to speak up, I wonder how long it will take before a mod close/delete that thread if we speak up. b:pleased
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I do believe this was already addressed with:oVenusArmanio wrote: »The threads that were closed in the past were for flaming, naming and shaming, things like that.(Insert fancy image here)
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There was a good suggestion in that thread about doing something like what people did with R9 before it became far more common.
As things were being done before, though, it wouldn't be a topic that could be left open. As seen in the other thread, though, no one's named names or done nothing but flame the person and the like and thus those posts have been... left alone. Dunno why every time some people say anything they do this "inb4 close/delete" thing when the fact is that as long as it's not breaking forum rules... we don't actually close/delete things.
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There was a good suggestion in that thread about doing something like what people did with R9 before it became far more common.
As things were being done before, though, it wouldn't be a topic that could be left open. As seen in the other thread, though, no one's named names or done nothing but flame the person and the like and thus those posts have been... left alone. Dunno why every time some people say anything they do this "inb4 close/delete" thing when the fact is that as long as it's not breaking forum rules... we don't actually close/delete things.
Including stuff we've found as completely absurd.
Difference in opinions/belief about what should be closed. A lot of people critique the jobs that forum mods do. (Sometimes threads even get missed that people absolutely believe should be closed... or are pushing it so much in the legality of things, that some believe it should be closed.)
Obviously people should trust your all's judgment, but sometimes threads do fly under the radar and get missed when they should be closed. :$
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There was a good suggestion in that thread about doing something like what people did with R9 before it became far more common.
As things were being done before, though, it wouldn't be a topic that could be left open. As seen in the other thread, though, no one's named names or done nothing but flame the person and the like and thus those posts have been... left alone. Dunno why every time some people say anything they do this "inb4 close/delete" thing when the fact is that as long as it's not breaking forum rules... we don't actually close/delete things.
Including stuff we've found as completely absurd.
Honestly Kossy, if someone start a thread saying some players got free items from a GM, you (or an other mod) won't close it if there's no names?
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »Honestly Kossy, if someone start a thread saying some players got free items from a GM, you (or an other mod) won't close it if there's no names?
As long as that thread did not also get created for the purpose of flaming that person, and did not include things such as screenshots of private conversations. Most of the threads created here have been closed because of the large amount of unrelated posts (make a thread about one thing, suddenly it becomes a TW flame thread) and/or attacks on other people and factions personal character e.g. calling people cowards, hypocrites, morons, and other profane names. In addition, sometimes they include things that aren't to be discussed on the forums period such as whether or not someone got banned. Those are all things that can cause an otherwise valid discussion to become closed. When that happens, it is not necessarily a comment on the topic being discussed but the manner in which a thread has proceeded.
An example of acceptable versus unacceptable way to address the topic would be
"How does one go about obtaining a X from a GM, and can a GM confirm or deny this is possible?"
versus
"Look at this PM, this guy is a terrible person and is trying to bribe people. It's typical of his whole faction! They are all **** and they get people banned! You people are jerks and terrible people and don't deserve anything because you're cowards in TW!"
The latter is clearly a personal attack, that cannot be substantiated on the forums, and would only serve to incite anger on a person being targeted. That's not okay.
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oVenusArmanio wrote: »As long as that thread did not also get created for the purpose of flaming that person, and did not include things such as screenshots of private conversations. Most of the threads created here have been closed because of the large amount of unrelated posts (make a thread about one thing, suddenly it becomes a TW flame thread) and/or attacks on other people and factions personal character e.g. calling people cowards, hypocrites, morons, and other profane names. In addition, sometimes they include things that aren't to be discussed on the forums period such as whether or not someone got banned. Those are all things that can cause an otherwise valid discussion to become closed. When that happens, it is not necessarily a comment on the topic being discussed but the manner in which a thread has proceeded.
An example would be
"How does one go about obtaining a X from a GM, and can a GM confirm or deny this is possible?"
versus
"Look at this PM, this guy is a terrible person and is trying to bribe people. It's typical of his whole faction! They are all dicks and they get people banned! You people are jerks and terrible people and don't deserve anything because you're cowards in TW!
I didn't see it mentioned, but I do have a bit of suggestion for the people who believe you all aren't doing your 'job' 'properly'... pm a mod, no matter how active you all are, there is bound to be a thread that gets missed. If you all don't feel its necessary to close the thread, you all can give them a reason for it. :$
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Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »I didn't see it mentioned, but I do have a bit of suggestion for the people who believe you all aren't doing your 'job' 'properly'... pm a mod, no matter how active you all are, there is bound to be a thread that gets missed. If you all don't feel its necessary to close the thread, you all can give them a reason for it. :$
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Thank you, Silvaf, this too. Rather than assume our intentions, the best way to handle a thread you feel was closed unfairly is to PM us. At worst, you'll gain a better understanding of how and why the rule was applied and the thread was closed. At best, it may be reopened. It's not a matter to discussed on the forums, so we won't do that. In addition, sometimes things slip under our radar. It does happen, so if you see at thread that has been allowed to go on that violates the rules. Just let us know, and we'll handle it.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »As long as that thread did not also get created for the purpose of flaming that person, and did not include things such as screenshots of private conversations. Most of the threads created here have been closed because of the large amount of unrelated posts (make a thread about one thing, suddenly it becomes a TW flame thread) and/or attacks on other people and factions personal character e.g. calling people cowards, hypocrites, morons, and other profane names. In addition, sometimes they include things that aren't to be discussed on the forums period such as whether or not someone got banned. Those are all things that can cause an otherwise valid discussion to become closed. When that happens, it is not necessarily a comment on the topic being discussed but the manner in which a thread has proceeded.oVenusArmanio wrote: »An example of acceptable way to address the topic would be
"How does one go about obtaining a X from a GM, and can a GM confirm or deny this is possible?"
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1666921
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1666931
Depth while there was no naming. Kossy even called the OP drunk and called the thread ''stupid'' and I know the OP and I can tell you this was a legit thread.
People from other servers tell HL to speak up, that guy did it and got shut pretty fast by the mods while he didn't name anyone. The thread didn't get close, not even a ''send a ticket'', directly in depth.
Why?
Cause it's a rumor that GM give free items to players? (EDIT: not speaking about the mods/cape thing here, but about what the OP of the thread links speak)
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1666921
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1666931
Depth while there was no naming. Kossy even called the OP drunk and called the thread ''stupid'' and I know the OP and I can tell you this was a legit thread.
People from other servers tell HL to speak up, that guy did it and got shut pretty fast by the mods while he didn't name anyone. The thread didn't get close, not even a ''send a ticket'', directly in depth.
Why?
Cause it's a rumor that GM give free items to players? (EDIT: not speaking about the mods/cape thing here, but about what the OP of the threads link speak)
Normally linking specific threads is not allowed and this right here is an example of what we don't want to see. But I'll make an exception to explain things the best I can because I feel like some misunderstanding has definitely occurred here that may help clear things up for the posters of Harshlands.
1st one: Everyone immediately shot him down, was going to turn into a flame thread. Had already started to become one, in fact. An attack on the guild for denying anything unusual happened so now we got some specificity to anyone paying attention to whom is being referred. It's small wonder that got shutdown the way it was going.
2nd one: reopened a closed thread instead of sending a private message to the moderator or community manager for review. If he'd sent something to OPkossy instead of just being presented as a rumor (and we see a lot of false reports on things like scams, or gms not banning people when they have, etc) she may have chosen to delete any flames and reopen it. But we can't know what she would've done, because she was not given the opportunity to do so. Instead the rules were violated, causing it to automatically get shutdown. If you want to repost something you feel was closed in error, which does happen, that is not the way to handle it.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »
Normally linking specific threads is not allowed and this right here is an example of what we don't want to see. But I'll make an exception to explain things the best I can because I feel like some misunderstanding has definitely occurred here that may help clear things up for the posters of Harshlands.
1st one: Everyone immediately shot him down, was going to turn into a flame thread. Had already started to become one, in fact. An attack on the guild for denying anything unusual happened so now we got some specificity to anyone paying attention to whom is being referred. It's small wonder that got shutdown the way it was going.
2nd one: reopened a closed thread instead of sending a private message to the moderator or community manager for review. If he'd sent something to OPkossy instead of just being presented as a rumor (and we see a lot of false reports on things like scams, or gms not banning people when they have, etc) she may have chosen to delete any flames and reopen it. But we can't know what she would've done, because she was not given the opportunity to do so. Instead the rules were violated, causing it to automatically get shutdown. If you want to repost something you feel was closed in error, which does happen, that is not the way to handle it.
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »You did edit your post pretty fast.
I always edit my post fast. Sometimes for tone of voice, as it doesn't help anyone if I'm rude or offensive. Sometimes for grammar. Sometimes because I think better of it because I feel like what I was going to say was going to be taken the wrong way or too vague to be effective. Which was the case this time. Sometimes because I want to add more. I tend to post as I'm thinking, it's a bad habit, I know.b:surrender0 -
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »You did edit your post pretty fast.
You need to stop observing every single word or action someone does and make a bunch of assumptions.
You observed the counting thread as if mods are criminals for posting in it and proceeded to blame them for "not doing anything" and now you're picking up on the smallest of words or actions. You do realise people have a lot of reasons to edit posts, right? Spelling, bad grammar, something to add.
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oVenusArmanio wrote: »I always edit my post fast. Sometimes for tone of voice, as it doesn't help anyone if I'm rude or offensive. Sometimes for grammar. Sometimes because I think better of it because I feel like what I was going to say was going to be taken the wrong way or too vague to be effective. Which was the case this time. Sometimes because I want to add more. I tend to post as I'm thinking, it's a bad habit, I know.b:surrender
When I did read it the first time you wrote ''1st one: He had no proof...'', problem is we are not allowed to post proofs on the forum and even if someone pmed a mod proofs about something (w/e what), what a mod would do about it? Cause correct me if I'm wrong, except closing/deleting/editing threads mods doesn't have other powers more than non-mods players.
I don't want to sound rude, but a lot of people from HL have 0 trust into mods and neither in GMs. I said it since a long time, HL should have his own mod (or there should be a mod from HL), not cause other mods are not good, but cause HL is a servers a part from the others and not cause it's PVP, but for other reasons.Suprprutty - Lost City wrote: »You need to stop observing every single word or action someone does and make a bunch of assumptions.
You observed the counting thread as if mods are criminals for posting in it and proceeded to blame them for "not doing anything" and now you're picking up on the smallest of words or actions. You do realise people have a lot of reasons to edit posts, right? Spelling, bad grammar, something to add.
Don't become a creepy stalker.
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »When I did read it the first time you wrote ''1st one: He had no proof...'', problem is we are not allowed to post proofs on the forum and even if someone pmed a mod proofs about something (w/e what), what a mod would do about it? Cause correct me if I'm wrong, except closing/deleting/editing threads mods doesn't have other powers more than non-mods players.
I don't want to sound rude, but a lot of people from HL have 0 trust into mods and neither in GMs. I said it since a long time, HL should have his own mod (or there should be a mod from HL), not cause other mods are not good, but cause HL is a servers a part from the others and not cause it's PVP, but for other reasons.
I edited it out because I knew it could be taken the wrong way and cause things that could be posted that are not allowed. A screenshot of just then cards with strange properties and asking how that could happen would obviously be different than a post of a private conversation, a ticket, or something of that nature. Without knowing what you guys are taking about, I didn't want to say it was okay or not okay. :P It depends on the thing, that's why I edited it out. Didn't want it take the wrong way, just like you just did.
And mods don't have powers, but we could ask a GM for clarification about things for you guys. As we do every time the server goes down, or when people were saying some people got tw rewards they didn't deserve, or about alt factions, etc. Rather than it just being a flame thread like the first one posted with unsubstantiated rumors. It's the same way we'll wait until there is evidence that a server is down (numerous posts for example) rather than just assuming there is something wrong everytime someone posts about lag. 9/10, there is nothing wrong with the servers.
And HL is not apart from the other servers. You guys have to follow the same rules as everyone else. A mod from HL whose sole purpose was to give HL special treatment would be wrong.
edit: And Kossy does have a toon on this server, as well as many other servers.0 -
Bella: do i get an autograph?
Venus: having a char and actually playing that char are two completely different things.
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Beautiful: every server has 0 faith in mods (outside the realm of game knowledge (please read on). cuz quite honestly, sides closing threads and depthing them wat can a mod do that a player (someone like Astrelle and Sylen(i gotta find where someone gave astrelle credit for workarounds when sylen does most of them(<3 u sylen))) cant. mods are there to keep it clean. bsides providing free janitorial labor, they are completely useless. this isnt to mean the people are useless (please read that before hating me forever) the job is. a gm could do the same thing and actually be able to get us answers and explanations to things like crowns and nuema sets being given out.
to venus and bella: every server should have their own mod. someone who knows that server and the people on it.
i think im done.
i reserve the right to edit and put more hearts <333 on ths postServers: Archosaur(PvE US West) and Harshlands (PvP US East)
Chars: Viktorian(100 2Rb Celestial Demon BM) PurpleHealz (100 Celestial Sage Cleric) DagsAway (95 Assassin)
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Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »Bella: do i get an autograph?
Venus: having a char and actually playing that char are two completely different things.
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Beautiful: every server has 0 faith in mods (outside the realm of game knowledge (please read on). cuz quite honestly, sides closing threads and depthing them wat can a mod do that a player (someone like Astrelle and Sylen(i gotta find where someone gave astrelle credit for workarounds when sylen does most of them(<3 u sylen))) cant. mods are there to keep it clean. bsides providing free janitorial labor, they are completely useless. this isnt to mean the people are useless (please read that before hating me forever) the job is. a gm could do the same thing and actually be able to get us answers and explanations to things like crowns and nuema sets being given out.
to venus and bella: every server should have their own mod. someone who knows that server and the people on it.
i think im done.
i reserve the right to edit and put more hearts <333 on ths post
I "have" characters on every single server, I don't play them. So you'll never here me say I'm from anywhere other than DW and HT. And I don't mention DW much anymore because I don't play often on it anymore. I'm well aware. Kossy plays her toons, afaik. That's why I mentioned her, and not myself.
A mod has direct contact with the GM. And if you consider being a mod useless, you should poke around some other titles where they do not have mods. Lots of good things are ruined by things like spambots and people spamming pornographic imagery, etc. Most games I've sene that don't have mods don't have people making as many community tools, because it's just going to be such a negative endeavor. Because of stuff like that, they also tend to be extremely slow moving with information. Janitorial work is necessary IRL, and it's good to have for forums. Even if it's not the most glamorous or obviously useful task like creating a tool. And I hope you recognize the importance of sanitation that RL janitors have on your environment and quality of life. Because those guys are far from useless.
Having a player who can poke a GM in an emergency, and who can prevent things like viruses from being linked, and who can maintain order so that everyone feels comfortable posting can do a lot for maintaining a forum. And a thriving, properly maintained forum is a good resource for a community. Everyone does something different and all these needless comparisons about totally different types of contributions, I don't really see the need for it. As for why a GM doesn't do it? I can't answer that. But I will say that having player volunteers who actually know the game and the community has obvious advantages.
As for every server needing their own mod, it's irrelevant. Because each server is supposed to follow the same guidelines for posting. It's nice when they have their own mod, and RT is lucky to have Skai. That I will not deny. But everyone on every server should feel comfortable posting. Claiming each server should get to follow their own set of rules, and get their own mod whose sole purpose is to let them break the rules when other people from other servers aren't allowed to break them? That's just wrong.0 -
The post made by quikshot in question did have some merit, but it was badly worded and had other intentions besides the "integrity" of the game, and as a result was closed. It still doesnt change the fact that PWI still hasn't addressed the blatant handing out of free items, or at the very least the playerbases's suspicion that such activity is going on.
The truth is, there's a degree of corruption in EVERY organization as long as they're led by people. This includes companies like PWI, Nexon, even Google and state gov'ts. The difference is in how the leaders address this corruption - do they try to cover it up and ignore the demands of the people? If that's the case, like PWI, then they lose all credibility and respect.
An example of corruption that works is India...where everyone and their mom sets aside a certain % of their wages for "bribes", and the corruption is so widespread that it's actually "fair" and accepted by the people who live there. In that sense, even India's gov't is doing better than PWI in terms of "integrity".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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oVenusArmanio wrote: »or when people were saying some people got tw rewards they didn't deserve
That is actually true. b:chuckleoVenusArmanio wrote: »And HL is not apart from the other servers.
Does other servers also have players that have family working for PWE? Cause on HL we have 2. b:pleased
All servers doesn't have the same issues even if we play all the same game.
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Same for alt factions, on HL a lot of people sent tickets asking about info about it and they ALL got different answers, but technically we can't speak about it on forum cause we cannot share tickets since they are considered as private convo.
Same rules for everyone? Nah, it depend on which GM you will get.
I guess GMs are humans with feeling too. xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Yup, those were real examples of threads that didn't get noticed by the GMs right away, that we as the mod team did help you guys get an answer for, that's why if you want a response in the forums. It is good to PM a mod. We may not have any power to help you guys, but we can sometimes get a response by bringing it to their attention, an issue that may get overlooked otherwise. It's why I said discussing the matter with Kossy would have been better. Like no this isn't the usual even it looks this way, because of x, y, and z. In addition to reopening it, can you get us a GM response? We absolutely make the wrong response sometimes, but assuming our intentions and that we are trying to wrong you guys, doesn't help things. Often times, things can be worked out with just opening up a simple dialogue.
And yes, other servers do have people whose family works for PWI.
And yea, PWI has been inconsistent with their enforcement of in-game rules. But the mod team is separate from PWI's support staff as we are not employed by the company. And anyway it is a big difference between different GMs enforcing existing the rules, and saying you know what? This group of players and only this group of players don't have to follow them anymore! And installing someone into a position where they can censor others for the express of letting them break the rules. Surely, you can see the difference between those two concepts.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »...and saying you know what? This group of players and only this group of players don't have to follow them anymore! And installing someone into a position where they can censor others for the express of letting them break the rules. .
It unfortunately the case, an other example with no naming, on HL some players buy accounts and sell accounts (more and more), which is against the TOS, some got reported with solid proofs by many people and there was no punishment.
But it's not everyone that is ''allowed'' to do it, go buy an account on HL, let me report you and I bet you anything you want that you will get a permanent ban on the bought account, but there's a group of people on HL that doesn't get ban for it.
So you could say as often as you want that the rules are the same for everyone, but it's not, I'll send you the same exact pm I did sent to Krisnda 5-6 months ago.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »It unfortunately the case, an other example with no naming, on HL some players buy accounts and sell accounts (more and more), which is against the TOS, some got reported with solid proofs by many people and there was no punishment.
But it's not everyone that is ''allowed'' to do it, go buy an account on HL, let me report you and I bet you anything you want that you will get a permanent ban on the bought account, but there's a group of people on HL that doesn't get ban for it.
So you could say as often as you want that the rules are the same for everyone, but it's not, I'll send you the same exact pm I did sent to Krisnda 5-6 months ago.
I agree that's wrong. But once again, the mod team is different than the GM team. The forum is different than in-game. I've no control of how things go in-game. But on the forums, it's different. On the forums, just because you are in a specific server, it doesn't mean you get to break the rules. There are rules specific to the forums only, and it is monitored for infractions by a different group of people. And just because a GM may have handled something poorly, that's not a good reason to make HL different than every other server in terms of rule enforcement. The support staff should do a better job with consistency rather than the mod team doing a worse job. Installing someone whose sole purpose is to allow only 1 server to break any rule that want, and who can censor anyone who disagrees with that idea? That's not appropriate.
There is a big difference between a lapse of judgement. And making someone exempt from rules as a matter of policy. There is difference between handling something poorly and making a mistake. And purposefully deciding that you are NEVER going to even TRY to be impartial, and making a plan to enforce the rules differently for only one server.
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There was a good suggestion in that thread about doing something like what people did with R9 before it became far more common.
As things were being done before, though, it wouldn't be a topic that could be left open. As seen in the other thread, though, no one's named names or done nothing but flame the person and the like and thus those posts have been... left alone. Dunno why every time some people say anything they do this "inb4 close/delete" thing when the fact is that as long as it's not breaking forum rules... we don't actually close/delete things.
Including stuff we've found as completely absurd.
It's funny when someone says "idk why people are saying mods do this and that, don't do their jobs blah blah" and actually don't reflect on your own actions that you may just tinsee potentially probably most likely tick a lot of people off.oVenusArmanio wrote: »As long as that thread did not also get created for the purpose of flaming that person, and did not include things such as screenshots of private conversations. Most of the threads created here have been closed because of the large amount of unrelated posts (make a thread about one thing, suddenly it becomes a TW flame thread) and/or attacks on other people and factions personal character e.g. calling people cowards, hypocrites, morons, and other profane names. In addition, sometimes they include things that aren't to be discussed on the forums period such as whether or not someone got banned. Those are all things that can cause an otherwise valid discussion to become closed. When that happens, it is not necessarily a comment on the topic being discussed but the manner in which a thread has proceeded.
An example of acceptable versus unacceptable way to address the topic would be
"How does one go about obtaining a X from a GM, and can a GM confirm or deny this is possible?"
versus
"Look at this PM, this guy is a terrible person and is trying to bribe people. It's typical of his whole faction! They are all **** and they get people banned! You people are jerks and terrible people and don't deserve anything because you're cowards in TW!"
The latter is clearly a personal attack, that cannot be substantiated on the forums, and would only serve to incite anger on a person being targeted. That's not okay.
It's about following the rules and ensuring a fun environment for everyone who chooses to post.
Can you please teach me why an older post was closed then? Since we're on the topic of closing threads. I merely quoted players what they have said on this forum and asked them why did they do something that they were so proclaimed to do, and they did something different. There was no profanity, swears, name-calling at all in that post yet it was closed? I'm pretty sure you know what I'm referring to. And please don't say that I'm calling a mod out on forums when you're clearly allowing this type of discussion in this thread. Otherwise if you don't want to respond please remove this thread from this subforum.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »I agree that's wrong. But once again, the mod team is different than the GM team. The forum is different than in-game. I've no control of how things go in-game. But on the forums, it's different. On the forums, just because you are in a specific server, it doesn't mean you get to break the rules. There are rules specific to the forums only, and it is monitored for infractions by a different group of people. And just because a GM may have handled something poorly, that's not a good reason to make HL different than every other server in terms of rule enforcement. The support staff should do a better job with consistency rather than the mod team doing a worse job. Installing someone whose sole purpose is to allow only 1 server to break any rule that want, and who can censor anyone who disagrees with that idea? That's not appropriate.
There is a big difference between a lapse of judgement. And making someone exempt from rules as a matter of policy. There is difference between handling something poorly and making a mistake. And purposefully deciding that you are NEVER going to even TRY to be impartial, and making a plan to enforce the rules differently for only one server.
I'm not saying HL should be allowed to break the rules. I did sent you a pm.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »Can you please teach me why an older post was closed then? Since we're on the topic of closing threads. I merely quoted players what they have said on this forum and asked them why did they do something that they were so proclaimed to do, and they did something different. There was no profanity, swears, name-calling at all in that post yet it was closed? I'm pretty sure you know what I'm referring to. And please don't say that I'm calling a mod out on forums when you're clearly allowing this type of discussion in this thread. Otherwise if you don't want to respond please remove this thread from this subforum.
You were told why, it was flamebait. Making a thread just to point out that you believe someone lied or is a hypocrite is obviously going to produce flames. Flamebait isn't allowed. And this not a thread just for handling any and all individual thread complaints, it's about addressing the specific problems Bella has outlined here. I already said that I was answering even though I'm not really supposed. I'm not going to answer about every single individual thread you can think of, but I can see why maybe HL server needed to ask us questions about this in particular. IDK if I'll get in trouble for it or not even. :P But I'm kinda sick of the misunderstandings of why threads are being closed on HL between us and you guys.0 -
Ok Ok u said u have direct line to Gm and u can ask him for us to clarify stufs..Then plz use ur direct line if u wana and ask him about that free Nuema Card set given by one Gm and meybe come on forum to clarify stufs with that..
Yeah u will laugh exacly that will never happen..then why we should do that..if will not happen for sure??!!0 -
Venus it would be really nice if you could use your contacts and get a official explanation on the nuema portal set given to certain players, rumored to be from a gm.
fixedServers: Archosaur(PvE US West) and Harshlands (PvP US East)
Chars: Viktorian(100 2Rb Celestial Demon BM) PurpleHealz (100 Celestial Sage Cleric) DagsAway (95 Assassin)
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Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »fixed
Lmao srsly word rumor again lool..first of all u dont play this server and u dont know exacly what happen here..and u cant fiind out because evry time someone say anything on forum mods close/delet post..
And just for ur knowledge is not a rumor,is a real fact..he got them after maintance.0 -
Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »fixed
And this is what we should do to all posts to have a real answer and avoid threads to be closed0
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