Soothing Pulse info and complaint

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Here is what I've discovered:

1) it heals for ever-so-slightly more (with my base magic attack its for all purposes same as lvl 11)

2) it really does never get interrupted by normal attacks---I tested with about 100 mobs in phoenix valley hitting me, and it never got interrupted once

These aspects of the skill I do like a lot. However, there are a few problems with the skill:

3) the animation is identical to the old skill wellspring surge.

Ok, lets look at this a moment: we've just merged 2 skills together, one, a solid, ugly purple bar (wellspring surge), and the other, a beautiful rainbow-colored glistening heal (blessing of the purehearted). The result? Exactly like wellspring surge---a solid, ugly purple bar that enemies can spot from a mile away. I mean, really, this skill is probably THE most visible skill in the game, and its not pretty by any means. For aesthetic and pvp combat purposes, its not very good.

4) The demon primal version got a genuine upgrade from the lvl 11 version. The old demon wellspring surge gave 12 chi per cast. The text for old demon wellspring surge reads 'gives 20% extra chi per cast', and since lvl 10 gives 10, 20% more is 12.

The new primal world version gives 15 chi per cast, a noticeable and definite upgrade.

HOWEVER,

The sage version previously had a channel of 1.2 seconds; the exact text for sage wellspring surge reads 'reduces the channel time TO 1.2 seconds'.

The new primal world version ... STILL HAS 1.2s CHANNEL. The exact text reads 'reduces channeling by 0.3 seconds'... but the channel is listed as 1.5s! Therefore, 1.5-0.3 = 1.2s channel.

Therefore, there is no sage-specific upgrade, whereas demon version gets 3 extra chi per cast. Does this sound right to you?

I have a sneaking suspicion that what happened was, they accidentally put 1.5 instead of 1.2 into the sage channel time, and then they reduced 0.3 seconds from 1.5, when they should have been reducing it from 1.2 (to get channeling down to 0.9s).

Think about this: going from lvl 10 to demon primal version, demon goes from 10 chi to 15 chi per cast---an upgrade that is 50% better. Using this logic, going from lvl 10 to sage primal version should also be approximately 50% better: it should go from 1.5s channel to about 1s channel, roughly.

What do you guys think. Intended, or another 'PWI dun goofed' moment?

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

If you agree that there is an error in sage Soothing Pulse, consider submitting a ticket like I just did. You might even consider copying and pasting the words in italics below if you feel they adequately describe your concern (I'll deny that this is my exact ticket if you ask me, so don't ask lol).

I believe there is a mistake in the channeling time listed for the new sage version of 'Soothing Pulse' (a new cleric skill from Primal World that combines Wellspring Surge and Blessing of the Purehearted into one skill).

Soothing Pules is primarily based off of the Wellspring Surge skill.
Lvl 10 Wellspring Surge gives 10 chi and has a 1.5 second channeling time. Lvl 11 demon and sage versions have small, specific upgrades:

Demon Wellspring surge gives 12 chi per cast instead of 10 (more is better).
Sage Wellspring surge has 1.2s channel instead of 1.5s channel (less is better).

One would expect that both sage and demon versions of Soothing Pulse would also get specific, small upgrades for sage and demon. However, this is not the case.

Demon Soothing Pulse gives 15 chi, up from 12 chi.
Sage Soothing Pulse has a 1.2s channel, which is identical to sage Wellspring Surge!

Therefore, the demon version got a small upgrade, whereas the sage version got none.

I believe the reason for this is that the channeling time is incorrectly listed for sage Soothing Pulse. Sage Wellspring Surge says that 'channeling time is reduced to 1.2s', and the skill shows the channeling time as being 1.2s. However, the sage Soothing Pulse lists the channeling time as 1.5s, and then says 'channeling time is reduced by 0.3s'.

I believe the error is the 1.5s. Sage version is 1.2; since the primal upgrade is based off of the sage version, the primal Soothing Pulse should start with a 1.2s channeling, and then get 0.3s reduced off of THAT. In other words, the actual channeling for sage Soothing Pulse should be 1.2-0.3 = 0.9s.

I would like you to please forward this issue to the developers, so that they can investigate and (if I am correct) rectify this error in sage Soothing Pulse.

Thank you for your time.

Eoria - Harshlands

tbh, it was probably intended.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I don't think much of it mainly because this isn't the only case of Sage/Demon not getting fair upgrades on certain skills but I think it's alright so long as the overall update keeps it balanced (it's kinda like certain Sage skills are good while Demon ones are bad and vice versa). I do understand where you're coming from but I find it highly unlikely to be changed and it could have been intentional indeed.

I do, however, strongly dislike Wellspring Surge's animation. They really should have made something new for it especially because it's a merger.

freygin

Looking at the new skills upgrade list, most of the skills still carry the old add-ons, even if the updated skill gets a little boost from lv 11, most of the demon sage add-ons are still the same. The old text for demon wellspring right after horizon patch even said 25 chi (or = 150% more chi) which was unbelievable. Dunno what the skill description now says, but if it's 15, it equals to 50% more chi.

Agree that the devs might accidentally give 50% more chi for Demon Wellspring since they forgot to equally boost the sage counterpart but since they're very unlikely to do any nerf to anything done, I guess it'll stay that way. It doesn't seem like much but it actually is a huge increase >_<'.

I wish the sage version also gets a boost for the add-on in later update, logically the demon wellspring went from 20% to 50% [more chi], if it's applied to sage, 20% to 50% [faster channeling] from 1.5 seconds should be 0.75 second, but it'd be even more OP than just chi, 0.3 seconds faster from 1.2=0.9 is also acceptable b:chuckle

Kevyy - Harshlands

I thought demon was 20 chi per cast not 15. Can someone that's demon with this skill clarify plox?

Eoria - Harshlands

Kevyy - Harshlands wrote: »

I thought demon was 20 chi per cast not 15. Can someone that's demon with this skill clarify plox?

Was confirmed in that other new skill thread that it's 15, iirc.

Clergywoman - Raging Tide

thank you for the warning, Aeliah!
i am sending a ticket right now and will invest my primordial blood into basic offensive skills instead.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

tbh, it was probably intended.

yes, it is intended to invest 60 primordial bloods in a skill, which will basically only prevent melee mobs from interrupting that skill. mobs that can't kill you in the first place. *rolleyes*

Eoria - Harshlands

Nah, I'm pretty sure it was intended. Sage version was fine as is. Demon was just brought up a little bit to boost the whole primarily get and maintain chi via support skills that demon has going on.

Ahira - Lost City

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Nah, I'm pretty sure it was intended. Sage version was fine as is. Demon was just brought up a little bit to boost the whole primarily get and maintain chi via support skills that demon has going on.

This was exactly what i was going to say! f:flower

Man - Raging Tide

Surely i hoped you tested to make sure this was not just a description error


Get you and a sage cleric side by side with same channel, cast skill + other skill on macro for a minute = look at difference.

Logically the first thing to test if this is a description error. For barbs one of our skill description had 0% info about the skill, and Armageddon said for each 1 point of mana and hp we do 5500 more damage. I did not submit a ticket that Armageddon did too much damage after update!

Xainou - Sanctuary

Man - Raging Tide wrote: »

Surely i hoped you tested to make sure this was not just a description error

Cyclone apparently slows enemies for 0 seconds too. f:laugh


Also, loving the skill. For an average geared cleric it's quite a nice boost and the reliable cast can save your life.

Restorz - Dreamweaver

Wow, this is absurd. You think they would put more time and care into the animation of the new skill, as they did with the new BB. I was surprised when cyclone looked the same too, but I guess what can we expect anymore... Anyways this skill is on the bottom of my list and I will get the remaining passives before I even consider spending 60 bloods. Thanks for the heads up and the information. Will submit a ticket if I find the same results once I get the skill. Again thanks.