RE: QUEST BLOCKING /PKING DURING EVENTS! (GMs DO NOTHING)

natourious

why is that the GMs will not do there jobs?? there is countless tickets submitted about (members of a certain faction NOT NAMED BECAUSE OMG WE CANT CALL GROUPS OUT FOR THE INFRACTIONS) on the harshlands server Quest blocking and pking during events ?? Have they not read there own damn rules ?? They tell you PKing during events is not allowed BUT THEY DO NOTHING ABOUT IT ! AND I DO MEAN NOTHING ! its back to the same ole **** of spend enuff money you can do as you want ... the rules do not apply to you! while the rest of us spend money and follow the rules but get screwed out of the events because of the ones who do not follow the rules! GMS GET OFF YOUR BYASS BUTTS AND ENFORCE YA OWN DAMN RULES!-snip-

Eoria - Harshlands

There's no such thing as quest blocking.

Also, that event has no quest attached to it regardless so...

natourious

ahh no such thing as quest blocking ?? ok ever took the time to read the rules that apply to the game ?? guess not and yes it is a event if you took time to read them you would see that YES there is such a thing ! if there wasn't why would they have it in the rules ?? and pking during events i guess that's another myth ?? seems to me that people who spend countless amounts of money are given a different set of rules to play by ?? or is it that they to know that the rules dont apply to them simply because the spend so much money ??

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver

The rage is strong with this one. f:stare

Which rule # are we talking about here that specificaly states pking during an event is against the rules? o:

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The rage is strong with this one. f:stare

Which rule # are we talking about here that specificaly states pking during an event is against the rules? o:

LOL!

I do have to admit that I've never seen any such rule in the ToS.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

One does not simply roll on Harshlands and expect not to be PK'd under any and all circumstances.

One also does not simply expect PWE to have an active round-the-clock GM monitoring staff. That has never been the case, OP, do your research. It probably should be the case, but then, there are a lot of "should-bes" around here.

Eoria - Harshlands

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

One does not simply roll on Harshlands and expect not to be PK'd under any and all circumstances.

I am convinced at least half of this server should have rolled on a pve server instead.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

One does not simply roll on Harshlands and expect not to be PK'd under any and all circumstances.

One also does not simply expect PWE to have an active round-the-clock GM monitoring staff. That has never been the case, OP, do your research. It probably should be the case, but then, there are a lot of "should-bes" around here.

(Insert fancy Boromir memes here)

I agree that there are things that "should be" and things that "aren't".

kallikashnikow

My guess from the ToS would be the following:

10. User Conduct

[....]
(n) Take any action that disrupts the Service or that negatively affects or may prohibit other users from enjoying the Website, the Games or any other aspect of the Service.

I myself reported someone these days for the same reason (repeated pk at an event) using this term.

Domethies - Raging Tide

kallikashnikow wrote: »

My guess from the ToS would be the following:



I myself reported someone these days for the same reason (repeated pk at an event) using this term.

Okay so pvp server, if reporting somone who pks because pk is what they find fun, wouldnt that be effecting them negitivly? b:laugh

natourious

there ya go but again

Last edited by oVenusArmanio; Today at 10:08 AM. Reason: if you'd like to discuss what rule was violated, send me a pm. Public discussion is not allowed. And yes this is better.

its there forum i guess they do as they like . i understand that GMs cant be at every event on all pvp servers . but what about the tickets that have been submitted ?? and the screen shots that were included with the tickets ? but you know being on the game from time to time is that not there job ? i dare you to pm for a GM everyday for a month and see how many replies you get. i have and i have not gotten a single one ! it is that the people that spend countless amouts of money are allowed to do as they please PERIOD!

kallikashnikow

Domethies - Raging Tide wrote: »

Okay so pvp server, if reporting somone who pks because pk is what they find fun, wouldnt that be effecting them negitivly? b:laugh

Hm. Sounds interesting. Someone send in a ticket with that and see what happens. xD

skaitavia

Unfortunately, when you create a character on a PvP-based server, you're silently agreeing that you accept the fact that there is a huge possibility to be attacked by other players anywhere outside of a safe zone. Only when you feel like you're getting harassed by the same player is when you should submit one, and only one, ticket regarding what has been happening. If it happens again at another time, then you could send another ticket in.

But based on how your tone is in your post/thread, I can definitely see why the authorities have not responded as quickly as they normally would. The support ticket handlers are also human, you know, and constantly bashing them/the company and flaming in the tone you have used in this thread is not the best motivator for action, in my opinion.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

kallikashnikow wrote: »

My guess from the ToS would be the following:

10. User Conduct

[....]
(n) Take any action that disrupts the Service or that negatively affects or may prohibit other users from enjoying the Website, the Games or any other aspect of the Service.

I myself reported someone these days for the same reason (repeated pk at an event) using this term.

I'm not sure that this would be an acceptable translation of the above stated fragment of the ToS. After all, it is a PVP server, which allowed for open PK. If you don't enjoy an open PK system like that, then the answer is simple: move to a PVE server.

The problem is that the ToS is ungodly vague.

Domethies - Raging Tide wrote: »

Okay so pvp server, if reporting somone who pks because pk is what they find fun, wouldnt that be effecting them negitivly? b:laugh

As I said above, that's a very true statement. The simplest and best solution is to plain move to a PVE server. I don't enjoy PK all that much, so I'm on a PVE server for that reason.

natourious wrote: »

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there ya go but again its there forum i guess they do as they like . i understand that GMs cant be at every event on all pvp servers . but what about the tickets that have been submitted ?? and the screen shots that were included with the tickets ? but you know being on the game from time to time is that not there job ? i dare you to pm for a GM everyday for a month and see how many replies you get. i have and i have not gotten a single one ! it is that the people that spend countless amouts of money are allowed to do as they please PERIOD!

I'm assuming that the Quote by Venus is from a PM, because it doesn't appear to be a message in the thread. That also, is against forum rules. Private messages need to stay private.

Skaitavia wrote: »

Unfortunately, when you create a character on a PvP-based server, you're silently agreeing that you accept the fact that there is a huge possibility to be attacked by other players anywhere outside of a safe zone. Only when you feel like you're getting harassed by the same player is when you should submit one, and only one, ticket regarding what has been happening. If it happens again at another time, then you could send another ticket in.

But based on how your tone is in your post/thread, I can definitely see why the authorities have not responded as quickly as they normally would. The support ticket handlers are also human, you know, and constantly bashing them/the company and flaming in the tone you have used in this thread is not the best motivator for action, in my opinion.

Skai, you've obviously never heard of a KOS order. It means Kill on Sight, and isn't against any rules. It's in every game that has PVP. Generally, when someone has a KOS on their head, it's because they were acting in a manner that brought said KOS upon themselves.

That being said, there is nothing to report about a KOS. What would it look like?

"Oh, this guy keeps killing me... I'm on a PVP server". *Facepalm*

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

PvP in a PvP server... If you didn't want to get killed during events, you had to roll in a PvE server.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

One does not simply roll on Harshlands and expect not to be PK'd under any and all circumstances.

^ this

and i might add that altho i have seen the 'your not suppose to harass kill during questing' stated in the past, i think it only applies to quests are are mandatory in terms like a culti quest.

natourious

just so you know the tickets that have been submitted were worded in a respectful tone no raging no vulgar words of any kind and was only one submitted each time but when you have it happen many times during the same event what then ? and yes i understand that being on a pvp server means you can be attacked at any given time when you are outside a safe zone . But what of the post by the GMs saying that pking during events is not allowed quest blocking is not allowed? [U(n) Take any action that disrupts the Service or that negatively affects or may prohibit other users from enjoying the Website, the Games or any other aspect of the Service.][/U] this rule that came from your own Terms of Service does it not apply to stopping a player or players from getting there reward from a event ? Or does it just apply to the ones who have not spent enuff money on the game?

natourious

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm not sure that this would be an acceptable translation of the above stated fragment of the ToS. After all, it is a PVP server, which allowed for open PK. If you don't enjoy an open PK system like that, then the answer is simple: move to a PVE server.

The problem is that the ToS is ungodly vague.



As I said above, that's a very true statement. The simplest and best solution is to plain move to a PVE server. I don't enjoy PK all that much, so I'm on a PVE server for that reason.



I'm assuming that the Quote by Venus is from a PM, because it doesn't appear to be a message in the thread. That also, is against forum rules. Private messages need to stay private.
(it was not a private message it was tagged under my post where it was edited .)


Skai, you've obviously never heard of a KOS order. It means Kill on Sight, and isn't against any rules. It's in every game that has PVP. Generally, when someone has a KOS on their head, it's because they were acting in a manner that brought said KOS upon themselves.

That being said, there is nothing to report about a KOS. What would it look like?

"Oh, this guy keeps killing me... I'm on a PVP server". *Facepalm*

(it was not a private message it was tagged under my post where it was edited .)

eraldus

Well I can understand the point OP made... I mean, some people use the "this is a PVP server, so I can PK anytime I want" excuse to harass other players, ever since PK became a thing on MMOs.

I know, I've played that old game with "2 moons" in it, where people would camp entrances to another areas, only to pk lowbies. Some guilds in there would even go as far as to ask for a fee, in order to let you pass.

I know it's a PVP server, but some people tend to take the fun of it with such behaviors. Ijs b:surrender

ovenusarmanio

natourious wrote: »

just so you know the tickets that have been submitted were worded in a respectful tone no raging no vulgar words of any kind and was only one submitted each time but when you have it happen many times during the same event what then ? and yes i understand that being on a pvp server means you can be attacked at any given time when you are outside a safe zone . But what of the post by the GMs saying that pking during events is not allowed quest blocking is not allowed? [U(n) Take any action that disrupts the Service or that negatively affects or may prohibit other users from enjoying the Website, the Games or any other aspect of the Service.][/U] this rule that came from your own Terms of Service does it not apply to stopping a player or players from getting there reward from a event ? Or does it just apply to the ones who have not spent enuff money on the game?

Well one kill isn't harassment nor is ti considered blocking. If they kill you only once and you are allowed to come back and finish your stuff, how were you anything but mildly inconvenienced in a manner of your own choosing. So you should only be sending them in when it happens multiple times. That said there are rules on PVP servers about mutliple kills and harassment, and I'm still working on a GM response for you. :P

Crixxix - Raging Tide

natourious wrote: »

just so you know the tickets that have been submitted were worded in a respectful tone no raging no vulgar words of any kind and was only one submitted each time but when you have it happen many times during the same event what then ? and yes i understand that being on a pvp server means you can be attacked at any given time when you are outside a safe zone . But what of the post by the GMs saying that pking during events is not allowed quest blocking is not allowed? [U(n) Take any action that disrupts the Service or that negatively affects or may prohibit other users from enjoying the Website, the Games or any other aspect of the Service.][/U] this rule that came from your own Terms of Service does it not apply to stopping a player or players from getting there reward from a event ? Or does it just apply to the ones who have not spent enuff money on the game?

What this means is that I can't send you a virus that stops you from playing the game. It means that I can't **** you or literally prevent you from playing the game or using the forums. Stuff like that.

What GM post are you talking about? If a GM simply posts a rule here on forums, that's fail and moot. It's going to get buried down in the depths under the piles of threads, where no one will ever see it again. If this "rule" even exists, it does not belong put in a post on forums, it belongs in the ToS. Furthermore, if the GM made the rule, and he's no longer here, what's to say that it's still enforceable?

Crixxix - Raging Tide

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Well one kill isn't harassment nor is ti considered blocking. If they kill you only once and you are allowed to come back and finish your stuff, how were you anything but mildly inconvenienced in a manner of your own choosing. So you should only be sending them in when it happens multiple times. That said there are rules on PVP servers about mutliple kills and harassment, and I'm still working on a GM response for you. :P

Wait, so your telling me if I was to kill someone, that that's harassment? It's a game people, grow up. You all act like it's a matter of REAL life and death. Just because you kill someone too many times, means you can get reported, or maybe even banned? KOS is a thing that's been around since PK existed in MMO's, you get on a person's bad side, and they kill you whenever they see you.

You sit there and give me a rough time when I'm a noob, and you can guarantee that it'll come back to haunt you later on. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but this offends me as a gamer.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Am I the only 1 who is amused how people rage on being pked on a bloody PVP server? If you`d be pked on a PVE server whilst not being in PK mode then you have all rights to rage, I don`t understand why people even roll on PVP servers, then get all frustrated about them being killed doing some mundane things, unless you have a fat valet, don`t even go there!

ovenusarmanio

natourious wrote: »

(it was not a private message it was tagged under my post where it was edited .)

As I was ninjaed, just saw this so I feel the need to clarify that the edit message was about the content edited and only that. Just as the other thread was closed for the reason stated in the other thread and did not reflect my personal opinion on this matter nor that of PWE.

natourious

if it was just once then no one on a pvp server would complain this was like 6 to 7 times by the same person being helped more than once by other people in the same Faction ( that can not be named)

ovenusarmanio

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wait, so your telling me if I was to kill someone, that that's harassment? It's a game people, grow up. You all act like it's a matter of REAL life and death. Just because you kill someone too many times, means you can get reported, or maybe even banned? KOS is a thing that's been around since PK existed in MMO's, you get on a person's bad side, and they kill you whenever they see you.

You sit there and give me a rough time when I'm a noob, and you can guarantee that it'll come back to haunt you later on. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but this offends me as a gamer.

That's not what that means. Say someone is trying to kill Krixxix (the culti mo) and you see the little newbie and decide to kill them. Again and again and again and again, for the sole purpose of preventing them for being allowed to do their cultivation. You aren't even killing any one else, it's clearly personal. And you refuse to stop no matter how nicely they ask you to stop so that they can get the required kill they need to advance. That's obviously different than KOS where you guys are just arguing with one another and killing each other different days. Every game has that.

kallikashnikow

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm not sure that this would be an acceptable translation of the above stated fragment of the ToS. After all, it is a PVP server, which allowed for open PK. If you don't enjoy an open PK system like that, then the answer is simple: move to a PVE server.

Additional info: Im playing on Morai server which is a PvE server. I enable PK mode only for that stupid caravan daily which can give good xp I dont want to miss. I turn blue as soon as I can but during that time I got pked at that event I had still 4 hours to wait.

No more time to write more, NW started....^^

natourious

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Am I the only 1 who is amused how people rage on being pked on a bloody PVP server? If you`d be pked on a PVE server whilst not being in PK mode then you have all rights to rage, I don`t understand why people even roll on PVP servers, then get all frustrated about them being killed doing some mundane things, unless you have a fat valet, don`t even go there!

it is not a matter of being pked per say it is being BLOCKED FROM GETTING REWARDS FROM EVENTS SO THE ONES THAT ARE PKING PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE REWARDS ALL TO THEM SELFS AND THERE FACTION MEMBERS!

i have pked people and i have been pked that is not the point .... the point is that people who spend countless amounts of money on the game are allowed to grief others stop them from collecting rewards from events and stop others outside there faction from completing quests and collecting rewards from events ..... 99% of players on pvp servers understand and accept the pk and carry on without compliant untill they are blocked and when they do complain they get ignored by the ones in charge when there is valid complaint !

Crixxix - Raging Tide

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

That's not what that means. Say someone is trying to kill Krixxix (the culti mo) and you see the little newbie and decide to kill them. Again and again and again and again, for the sole purpose of preventing them for being allowed to do their cultivation. You aren't even killing any one else, it's clearly personal. And you refuse to stop no matter how nicely they ask you to stop so that they can get the required kill they need to advance. That's obviously different than KOS where you guys are just arguing with one another and killing each other different days. Every game has that.

It's not my play style, but I do know that stopping the competition from advancing is a legitimate play style. I'm a gamer, and I don't approve of telling others how they have to play the game. Different tactics for different people.

Burnout - Harshlands

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Well one kill isn't harassment nor is ti considered blocking. If they kill you only once and you are allowed to come back and finish your stuff, how were you anything but mildly inconvenienced in a manner of your own choosing. So you should only be sending them in when it happens multiple times. That said there are rules on PVP servers about mutliple kills and harassment, and I'm still working on a GM response for you. :P

I'm wondering what you think about non-personal camping? I indiscriminately camp people who are part of certain factions (and yes, this includes quest blocking) but I rarely respond to their rages and don't really care who they are. (In truth, I'm usually afk outside safe zone in those said quest spots mainly due to the fact that only 3-4 people on the entire server are even willing to attack me, yet I've somehow been accused of quest blocking even while afk. Go figure.)

Does putting someone on /follow in a SZ then going afk count as harassment as well? I came back like 15 minutes later and the person was raging extremely hard accusing me of stalking him, and said he reported me, even though I wasn't even at the computer.

Just want some official responses so I can refer back to them if needed.

Eoria - Harshlands

natourious wrote: »

it is not a matter of being pked per say it is being BLOCKED FROM GETTING REWARDS FROM EVENTS SO THE ONES THAT ARE PKING PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE REWARDS ALL TO THEM SELFS AND THERE FACTION MEMBERS!

The drops from that event can be picked by anyone. If you don't want to deal with pk or call your faction, make a blue name and loot drops. It's not hard.