Farm build -1k dmg vs 0,5 aps gain question.

kakabulle3

Hey ppl.. I've been messing around with my build, and what I'm not that good on aps gain vs atk loss calcs, so i was wondering if i could get some feedback on these 2 builds.

This is my aps set I have now: 3 items r999 for the +100 str
http://pwcalc.com/7f82a1aae2b4e388

But i also have a r8r -0.05 aps chest, so ive been swaping chest piece go get 4 aps base, but at the cost of losing the r999 3 item set bonus.. What im asking, is it worth to lose that 100 str bonus (roughly losing 1k dmg) to gain more aps.. with the 4 aps nerf and also im not a math wiz, i cant do the maths. But to me the 4 aps combo seems to work better..

Here is the 4 aps build:
http://pwcalc.com/c61345f0b612e164
(This build uses -0.05 boots. I have the chest now, but if i decide to go for the 4 aps set build, i will get the boots to be able to keep my r999 chest and keep the 5% HP bonus)

Thnx b:victory

opkossy

You spark/cyclone to 5.0/4.0 with the R9 third cast gears.

There's basically no reason to worry about 4.0 base for PvE or PvP with that in mind.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Ooooh OPKossy got new forum avatar, fun fun.

For an aps build, i would change it to this if this were my bm, and i was going to finance the expenses from farming money.

My suggestion

If you are demon, you can put on your r9 3rd cast bm chest rather than r8r chest. It will drop you to 3.33 non sparked, and 5.0 sparked.

If you are sage, 4.0 seems to be what people say, but depending on your game play, skill, ease, 3.33 base sage can work it as well, though i am no expert on these matters.

The 4.0 aps nerf applies when you are 4.0 aps as well if i recall correctly. It does not apply at 3.33 aps. As a demon pve bm, i didn't notice a major difference in my killing ability or ease at bosses with this nerf.

Are you sage or demon?

Totally forgot, congrats on -int on your boots if you got them .

WannaBM - Archosaur

Sage or demon ?

PvE sage id take the 4.0 and downgrade the chest to r8r-int so that you are 5APS and dont need your genie to attack any faster. You want instead to use your genie for CE and mire. So that you can spark-CE-HF-mire

PvE demon id i prefer the 3.33APS setup. The damage loss of going to 4APS base is not that big (10% unsparked, 5% sparked). Unsparked, the extra APS more than make up for the loss. And you gather chi faster to double that damage output. So the option to "overload" on APS isnt that silly.
However, you should rarely start a battle without full chi so the chi gain loses its significance. And you also lose out on some defences, hitpoints and axe/hammer dmg.
So if you dont have either boots right now, id go r9. If you do have 1 set of boots, id just go with the ones you have. If you have both sets of boots, id bring em both, swap them when i see fit and probably after a while get tired of swapping and end up using only the R9s.

kakabulle3

I'm Demon..

I dont mean to be rude here, but my question was not what you would do/what skill i can use to speed farming up, my question was which build is better in dmg/farming.

I've tried playing it with 4 aps and to me it seems i do kill bosses alot faster, but i want to be sure what the numbers/math says on this subject.

And ty for all reply's b:victory

Satyrion - Sanctuary_1389862626

You'll most likely be perma sparked when farming bosses and such, so yea I would go for the +100 str for more damage.. If you suddenly are in need for chi for whatever reason, you can do a fast swap to your aps chest for building up chi, then swap back to r999 chest again when ready for tripple spark.

opkossy

kakabulle3 wrote: »

I'm Demon..

I dont mean to be rude here, but my question was not what you would do/what skill i can use to speed farming up, my question was which build is better in dmg/farming.

I've tried playing it with 4 aps and to me it seems i do kill bosses alot faster, but i want to be sure what the numbers/math says on this subject.

And ty for all reply's b:victory

As a demon, your spark brings you to 5.0 on both setups. This means the only difference between them is the 4.0 bae gets you more chi unsparked but at the cost of your defense, HP, and str.

Considering that, the 3.33 base build would be superior in almost every PvE scenario. Hence, as I said, there is almost no reason to bother with a 4.0 base build in PvE.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Math has limitations. Thats why i always try to give a full explanation about the conditions where the math applies.

The math is simple:

unsparked going from 3.33 to 4 aps is a 20% increase in output.
I made a mistake in earlier post its not 10 and 5% but 20 and 10%
So unsparked 100str is also worth 20%. Therefore, unsparked the 3.33 and 4aps setup should be equal in dmg output.

Sparked the extra aps is totally wasted and you lose 10% dps not having the str.