Sins and psys only classes with 5 skills so hard to get , why ?

Adorable__ - Raging Tide
Adorable__ - Raging Tide Posts: 11 Arc User
edited January 2014 in General Discussion
Why only sins and psys have rare skills that can't be obtained except from abaddon/SoT drops , which are like 1/1560 chance to get ....
and are required to be able to get New primal skills .

Like : Aqua impact , Spirit blast , Puncture wound , Twin strike .

Pwi should make them obtained some way asap .

But ofc I'm 100% sure pwi doesn't give a *** !

We talked about broken Legendary quest and they didn't fix for 3 weeks so far .
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  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Because just like the playerbase, PWCN hates tideborns.

    But on a more serious note, no one besides the devs know why. I'm not really bothered with it, it's not like most people can't solo peach and/or hellfire nowadays repeatedly on their own anyway. Still would require a ton of runs but hey, it gives something to do.
    f:sweat

    Also, PWE != devs, they can't fix these things, it has to go through China, learn the difference.
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Doesn't their rarity also make farming Abaddon/SoT all the more worthwhile? Personally, I'd rather they made Peach/Hellfire guaranteed to drop a book instead of making them available through pages.

    Orrrrr, let them drop from Eden/Brimstone's bosses.
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Adorable__ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Why only sins and psys have rare skills that can't be obtained except from abaddon/SoT drops , which are like 1/1560 chance to get ....
    and are required to be able to get New primal skills .

    Like : Aqua impact , Spirit blast , Puncture wound , Twin strike .

    Pwi should make them obtained some way asap .

    But ofc I'm 100% sure pwi doesn't give a *** !

    We talked about broken Legendary quest and they didn't fix for 3 weeks so far .

    Because the developers are idiots, if we had a CM, IT could inquire the staff which could ask further until it reaches China, etc. is there any possibility of adding them in random books like all the other skills.
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Because just like the playerbase, PWCN hates tideborns.

    But on a more serious note, no one besides the devs know why. I'm not really bothered with it, it's not like most people can't solo peach and/or hellfire nowadays repeatedly on their own anyway. Still would require a ton of runs but hey, it gives something to do.
    f:sweat

    Also, PWE != devs, they can't fix these things, it has to go through China, learn the difference.

    If they reverted Aba the way it was before that stupid Puppeteer, I doubt people would complain much, not many can solo him.
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  • Toraah - Archosaur
    Toraah - Archosaur Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I like it because it's something hard to work for. Sure it's unfair that we're the only classes who had to work so hard to get it, but when you see an assassin that has both elimination and life hunter, you know they spent a lot of time(or money roflmao) to get them.
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Mystics anyone?

    Does anything drop a Mystic skill yet? o.0
  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Mystics anyone?

    Does anything drop a Mystic skill yet? o.0

    Hellfire and Peachblossom
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hellfire and Peachblossom

    OMG! For real?

    When did that happen?

    Thats really awesome!     b:pleased
  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »
    OMG! For real?

    When did that happen?

    Thats really awesome!     b:pleased

    Ever since earthguard happened pretty much b:laugh
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Ever since earthguard happened pretty much b:laugh

    Sorry, not true. It was even posted in the Wiki's that nothing does when I made my class. It figures you were just trolling. :s

    Nice job though - you had me going there for a second. b:chuckle
  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sorry, not true. It was even posted in the Wiki's that nothing does when I made my class. It figures you were just trolling. :s

    Nice job though - you had me going there for a second. b:chuckle

    Explain how I got demon break in the clouds from hellfire then pretty much the week EG got released.
    Also, the wiki is horribly outdated and unmanaged.

    For drop tables you're better off looking at pwdatabase:
    Peach
    Hellfire

    Scroll down or search for a mystic skill like break in the clouds with ctrl+f.
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  • trands
    trands Posts: 2
    edited January 2014
    It's annoying. They could just add them to the bidding hall items or on the mysterious page book, and problem would be solved. On psychic, just 1 skill worth getting. At least that saves blood for the passives b:chuckle
    Toraah - Archosaur wrote: »
    I like it because it's something hard to work for. Sure it's unfair that we're the only classes who had to work so hard to get it, but when you see an assassin that has both elimination and life hunter, you know they spent a lot of time(or money roflmao) to get them.

    Not really. At the release, aba and sot were easy and the general lvl on the servers justified putting them in those instances rather then in brim/eden like the old races. Only now ppl get to notice it, at least on psychic. A PvE boost was a good idea, as psychics didn't really need a PvP boost while being generally unwanted PvE wise. Now they put that on skills that only the endgeared psychics are going to get b:laugh
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Explain how I got demon break in the clouds from hellfire then pretty much the week EG got released.
    Also, the wiki is horribly outdated and unmanaged.

    For drop tables you're better off looking at pwdatabase:
    Peach
    Hellfire

    Scroll down or search for a mystic skill like break in the clouds with ctrl+f.

    Well, it seems impossible that it would have dropped the week EG was released - but stranger things have happened. Will anyone believe someone got a bunch of free 10* D Orbs 3 years from now?

    The Wiki was not out-dated and unmanaged the week the char was released, was it? Perhaps your memory is not as exact as you might think.

    And whats with control+f? They have a search box you know, or did you mean control+f4? b:chuckle

    Just seems...weird...to me, to see people complain about 5 skills, when Ive had to work for all of mine.
  • HideYoHubby - Archosaur
    HideYoHubby - Archosaur Posts: 995 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well, it seems impossible that it would have dropped the week EG was released - but stranger things have happened. Will anyone believe someone got a bunch of free 10* D Orbs 3 years from now?

    The Wiki was not out-dated and unmanaged the week the char was released, was it? Perhaps your memory is not as exact as you might think.

    And whats with control+f? They have a search box you know, or did you mean control+f4? b:chuckle

    Just seems...weird...to me, to see people complain about 5 skills, when Ive had to work for all of mine.

    You want to clarify your comment on working all of yours? Did you farm all your skills from aba/SoT? No wait, you dont think they can even drop anywhere, meaning you got yours from pages of some sorts. All tideborns want is their books to be put in the same random books like everyone else so they can "work on them" just like you did. We are literally talking bout hundreds of hours of farming for a single book if numbers on first post are even close to correct.

    Ps. Even with books added to random clips, nobody is preventing anybody to waste their time farming the books instead of rolling them.
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »
    You want to clarify your comment on working all of yours? Did you farm all your skills from aba/SoT? No wait, you dont think they can even drop anywhere, meaning you got yours from pages of some sorts. All tideborns want is their books to be put in the same random books like everyone else so they can "work on them" just like you did. We are literally talking bout hundreds of hours of farming for a single book if numbers on first post are even close to correct.

    Ps. Even with books added to random clips, nobody is preventing anybody to waste their time farming the books instead of rolling them.

    Well said, thing about this situation is that others have 2x more chance of getting a book/s they require, as for these specific books, there is only 1 and the chance is slim, not only the drop rate is pathetic but also you have a chance to get 1 from 160 different books, so best of luck with it, from my experience, I have been farming seat for a very very long time when it wasn`t ****ed so I know all about how bloody hard it is to get these specific books, I have gotten a few of those but on overall scale it was still lame.

    Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well, it seems impossible that it would have dropped the week EG was released - but stranger things have happened. Will anyone believe someone got a bunch of free 10* D Orbs 3 years from now?

    The Wiki was not out-dated and unmanaged the week the char was released, was it? Perhaps your memory is not as exact as you might think.

    And whats with control+f? They have a search box you know, or did you mean control+f4? b:chuckle

    Just seems...weird...to me, to see people complain about 5 skills, when Ive had to work for all of mine.

    It`s hard to call it work when you can make all your skills from random books, hard work is running a damn instance for 8 hours straight and not getting a single damn book, then you run some more and smth. worthless drops, I have seen plenty of mystic skills drop, so you can also say thx to the assassins on your server who also provided them so you could purchase.
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well said, thing about this situation is that others have 2x more chance of getting a book/s they require, as for these specific books, there is only 1 and the chance is slim, not only the drop rate is pathetic but also you have a chance to get 1 from 160 different books, so best of luck with it, from my experience, I have been farming seat for a very very long time when it wasn`t ****ed so I know all about how bloody hard it is to get these specific books, I have gotten a few of those but on overall scale it was still lame.




    It`s hard to call it work when you can make all your skills from random books, hard work is running a damn instance for 8 hours straight and not getting a single damn book, then you run some more and smth. worthless drops, I have seen plenty of mystic skills drop, so you can also say thx to the assassins on your server who also provided them so you could purchase.

    Um...from what I saw - and I dont have time to study it right now, but the chances on all books seemed to be 0.63% or something. It wasnt just assassins that made them available. Plenty of people made the books and then apparently decided they didnt want to play my class. I got a real awesome deal one night, and I would have all the 11 skills that night had I had enough coin.

    I paid between 1 and 2 million for about 7 Sage books. I felt really lucky - one of the few times. On RT, a lot of players (OP of course) dont have an issue with making their own books. The reason for 2 was because at the same time I was buying, so was someone else, and apparently merching them, putting them back up for 2 million.

    I agree with you Angel, anyway you cut it, you are working - I guess its whether you want to farm coin, or try for a free completed random class book.
  • trands
    trands Posts: 2
    edited January 2014
    Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Um...from what I saw - and I dont have time to study it right now, but the chances on all books seemed to be 0.63% or something. It wasnt just assassins that made them available. Plenty of people made the books and then apparently decided they didnt want to play my class. I got a real awesome deal one night, and I would have all the 11 skills that night had I had enough coin.

    I paid between 1 and 2 million for about 7 Sage books. I felt really lucky - one of the few times. On RT, a lot of players (OP of course) dont have an issue with making their own books. The reason for 2 was because at the same time I was buying, so was someone else, and apparently merching them, putting them back up for 2 million.

    I agree with you Angel, anyway you cut it, you are working - I guess its whether you want to farm coin, or try for a free completed random class book.

    You should check per class for each book :
    - how it can be obtained (pages, bidding hall, drop)
    - for the books that only drop, which bosses it drops from
    - look if those bosses are daily kills (bh/daily or required to kill on the way of a daily)

    This used to be on ecatomb, but I think they took it out. A pitty, cause that shows how much harder skills are to get from 1 class to another. That is the point of this thread.
  • SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Cause psy's and sins are the best...rather have a psy for battle over a sin though.
  • Selak - Dreamweaver
    Selak - Dreamweaver Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    When I first read this I was totally confused because when I was chasing the books this was the info we had,
    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Psychic_skill_book_drops
    and at time the drop rate listed in pwdatabase for those bosses (Phlebo and Ethereal Abomination) and books listed in the OP was 0.001%, lol.

    It appears they have changed both the bosses (peach and Hellfire) and drop rate now to 0.6308% from looking at the links in DEMHEALSMANs post.

    Cool to know.
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  • Adorable__ - Raging Tide
    Adorable__ - Raging Tide Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Selak - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    When I first read this I was totally confused because when I was chasing the books this was the info we had,
    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Psychic_skill_book_drops
    and at time the drop rate listed in pwdatabase for those bosses (Phlebo and Ethereal Abomination) and books listed in the OP was 0.001%, lol.

    It appears they have changed both the bosses (peach and Hellfire) and drop rate now to 0.6308% from looking at the links in DEMHEALSMANs post.

    Cool to know.

    Yea its 10% to drop 1 random book , u have 160 skills 1 might drop from them .
    Which means ur chance for the one u want is 1/160 from the 10% ....1/1560 .

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