Please Change BH Endless Universe

Bloodstains - Dreamweaver

Pros

• Fast/easy if you have a decent squad that knows what to do
• more XP than any other bh100
• only bh2 that gives holy pills

Cons

• Can only enter once a day
• Rewards are useless to level 100+ chars
• If you get a bad squad, your screwed out of todays BH.
• If you disconnect you are potentially screwed out of todays BH.
• If only 1-2 people don't know how to listen (and there's alot that don't) instance has to be restarted over & over. which can cause squads to break apart. again potentially leaving you without todays BH.

Why didn't you guys just use AEU, or even Nirvana for BH... im sick of this instance already & as-of today (2hr long bh cause of d/c's, and people leaving squad) im officially blacklisting this BH.

edit: updated to add more pro's

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Bloodstains - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Pros

• Fast/easy if you have a decent squad that knows what to do

Cons

• Can only enter once a day
  This is a problem.
  
• Rewards are useless to level 100+ chars
  
  400k XP is small, but not useless.
  
• If you get a bad squad, your screwed out of todays BH.
  
  This is connected with the once a day issue mostly
  
• If you disconnect you are potentially screwed out of todays BH.
  Same as the once a day issue.
  
• If only 1-2 people don't know how to listen (and there's alot that don't) instance has to be restarted over & over. which can cause squads to break apart. again potentially leaving you without todays BH.
  
  That's more of a player issue than a problem with the instance b:pleased.

Why didn't you guys just use AEU, or even Nirvana for BH... im sick of this instance already & as-of today (2hr long bh cause of d/c's, and people leaving squad) im officially blacklisting this BH.

I like this BH. It shows just who is and isn't an impatient fool among your numbers. If you were able to enter it whenever you wanted, then most of the issues concerning it would be fixed. IF it had to be changed, they could just make it a BH2 and use AEU as a BH1 (with a free Jade Dragon Order on taking that BH quest)

Desdi - Sanctuary

I wouldn't mind running it if they at least gave you the item (like they do with Delta) so you can try again if the first time fails.

There is also kind bug sometimes that the quest randomly fails and then you can't activate/retake it anymore.

Overall it's just too frustrating and I skip it. I like the instance but it's very rage inducing

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

It`s too boring.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

Pro: more XP than any other bh100
Pro: only bh2 that gives holy pills

_dblazen_ - Dreamweaver

QQ an instance that actually needs a tiny little bit more teamwork than anything else

PLS REMOVE

Also;
This: If you get a bad squad, your screwed out of todays BH.

And this:
If only 1-2 people don't know how to listen (and there's alot that don't) instance has to be restarted over & over. which can cause squads to break apart. again potentially leaving you without todays BH.

Are pretty much the same con. People who don't listen = bad squad, yes, 1 person can ruin a squad.

ovenusarmanio

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wouldn't mind running it if they at least gave you the item (like they do with Delta) so you can try again if the first time fails.

There is also kind bug sometimes that the quest randomly fails and then you can't activate/retake it anymore.

Overall it's just too frustrating and I skip it. I like the instance but it's very rage inducing

Even if you had more than one item, you can only enter once a day anyway.

If your instance gets bugged, just kill the birds that spawned early on the island. (You can see what I mean by looking at the guide) and the instance will debug itself.

@OP
The instance rewards are still on top of other rewards you get from just doing BH, so that's really not a point against it. For a long time Aba didn't give any extra rewards worth mentioning but nobody counted that as a point against it. In addition, they aren't useless to those people still running around with tt90 pieces as that gear is comparable to rank 8. And since when are OBP pages "useless" just because you don't have a use for them doesn't mean they are useless for level 100 in general. For that matter since when are mirages stones useless? That's also one of the prizes in the box. Level 100s don't need refines?

There are also the pros Asterelle listed.

It's also the most equitable BH in terms of gear, in that pretty much anyone can do it.

Verenor - Morai

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is also kind bug sometimes that the quest randomly fails and then you can't activate/retake it anymore.

This. First day this BH was implanted I gave it a shot and was the only person to read the EU guide before barging in and starting random stuff, one person even going out to check someone if he was standing outside and couldn't return back in.
Had to organise 8 lv101-105's who wouldn't/couldn't take anything from a lv100 in mediocre gear or simply were unable to learn.
After each attempt at doing the 8 trials (which always failed at 3rd or 4th, never even reached close to 8th), someone would quit cause it's stupid/useless/waste of time/total **** and we would have to find new members. After the 3rd or 4th try the NPC for the Leader to start the quests at, became looped: start quest -> checks members -> complete -> start same quest -> checks members -> complete etc etc. In short: around 16 people lost their BH that day due to unable to leave instance and give it another try.

I don't care for the dungeon to change, I only care for 2 changes:
- fix that bloody annoying loop
- fix it so you can still enter the same instance as your current squad is at (4hr timer to enter whenever you like).

The challenges are fine, people are heavily outgeared for most of them so failing most of them is merely an issue of people not knowing wth they're doing. People often forget to have the cleric take the support lanes instead of some rambo dd so cler can revive and trial doesn't fail.

Fallonswiz - Dreamweaver

I really like this BH.

I really like the choice to get an EXP pill.

I really like the fact the EXP pill is account stashable.

I have 3 chars 100+ on my main acct, so I do their EU DAILY, not just for bh,
but daily, so I can account stash the EXP pill.

That is 400K EXP, 4 times EXP for first rebirth = 1.6 mil (level 95-99)
That is 400K EXP, 3.5 times EXP for 2nd rebirth = 1.4 mil (level 95-99)

Doing it 3 times a day, that EXP really adds up.

Others must like it too, I fill each squad up daily.

I say KEEP IT.

Eoria - Harshlands

Just make it so you can enter multiple times a day, but only get the reward once like HDD/FSP just in case of fail squads.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Keep it, I missed running EU.

Stop restricting the entrance to once per day though. That's ****, not even talking about the quest bugging out, you might have someone who would like to tag around to help.

MyMate - Dreamweaver

It's a nice change and fast, easy BH as long as you get a decent squad. And by decent I mean people who know what to do or have ears (or eyes in this case). Keep it and change it like Eoria said.

Hisiala - Morai

EU can be fun, but between three consecutive crashes of the client one day, disconnection the next, and two more crashes on the third day, it took me a total of 4 days to get the bh done. And this before Morai started to crash. Now... I don't dare to think about it...

But yeah, the only problem with this bh is that if someone gets accidentally booted out of the instance, you can't go back in till next day. which is very annoying.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Hisiala - Morai wrote: »

But yeah, the only problem with this bh is that if someone gets accidentally booted out of the instance, you can't go back in till next day. which is very annoying.

This...
Some pple have semi static squads, but when your unlucky enough to land in one thats not, youll be spending 2hrs in there -.-

Clergywoman - Raging Tide

i like more diversity in the BH pool. i would even like to see pwi include TT3-3, all lunar bosses, and all warsong bosses into the BH pool.

as it has been mentioned before i also do not think that EU is the issue. the problem is that we can enter EU only ONCE A DAY. this needs to be fixed and we are all happy. b:cute

SakuLv - Dreamweaver

I like BH EU ..idk ..its fun for me

I dont like that its only once a day and if u exit it..u cant enter like at all

I dont like that i have to do chain quest to enter there with alt

Badonkajonck - Archosaur

I like it as well. Good for teamwork and what not. But as most other said, remove the once a day thing.

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear

I like this bh more than any of the others actually.

My problem is that their isn't a quick way to get in and get going. I head to the tele, get to morai, tele to shroud, then fly over and get inside.

Then I stand there for an average of 10 to 40 min waiting for everyone else to gtf inside, another 20 min potentially of people explaining the concept of how a relay system works, 2 fails minimum due to people still not getting it, and so on.

The bh can take anywhere from 15 minutes, to 2 hours including even finding enough people wanting to do it/that actually did the quests REQUIRED to be able to even get the entry quest.

Then of course sometimes MY net decides to play that game where it cuts off every 4-6 minutes all night due to the hamsters at Frontier falling out of their wheels and making my net totally unusable for extended periods.

If that happens in EU, well I just screwed everyone and I'm SOL getting that bh done that day.

And good luck getting people to run it on a non bh day.

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver

I like it cause its easy and gives good exp.

People still don't have a clue how to do it. It is not a problem if they say it at the beginning, but unfortunately most don't, and that makes squad fail or takes long time to finish it. But I guess take it few weeks and its going to be good.

Only problem is restriction once per day, would be good if pwi remove it.

Domethies - Raging Tide

so when morai was first introduced, i was all up for eu. Was probably in one of the first squads to run it on my server. So we entered, read what we had to do and started the instance. 4 hours later we were booted from the instance due to repeated failures for whatever reasons. Now im a patient person but i have other things i can be doing in 4 hours and its this reason i havent done it since. in fact the only time i ever went back in was for the sage/demon bible quest. Im all for getting rid of it and maybe doing a bh nirvana instead, nw kinda killed it and i never really had a chance to go b:surrender

slamstone

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Just make it so you can enter multiple times a day, but only get the reward once like HDD/FSP just in case of fail squads.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you were able to enter it whenever you wanted, then most of the issues concerning it would be fixed.

+1

Just making it able to enter at the cost of 1 [Tuc Su Toxin] with no other limitation should be enough to solve this poll. I for one like this variation of BH.

Would be nice also adding NV to the pull of bh's (with no other change in cave rewards)