Grudge Strike skill thoughts and info

Marengo - Lost City

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do I think Fox Wallop is good or useful? No. Do other people use it? I cannot answer that myself though I do believe most people don't use Fox Wallop nowadays

*In the PWI community favourite manner*
If you don't use it, it doesn't mean it's useless!!!!11

b:chuckle

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Pffff Marengo x3 *amused eartwitch*

And, er this doesn't have to do with Grudge Strike, but the Dark Taboo skill... *I don't like making new threads, and Desdi's threads are a nice home for veno things *

According to Asty's thread,

Dark Taboo
Merger: Consume Spirit + Leech
Adv. Arcane Sky Page + 30 Primordial Blood

ΦDark Taboo

Requires Fox Form
Range 5 Meters
Mana ??
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 5.0 seconds
Chi Gained 10
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Requisite Cultivation Master of Harmony
Blast the target with dark
energy, siphoning their life
force into yourself. Deals base
physical damage plus 6319. Restores
800 to 2000 Health, based on
your Soulforce. Never misses.

Sage version reduces the cooldown by 1 second.

it's a merger of Consume Spirit (MP restorative skill) and Leech (HP restorative skill), but in the description there, the MP restorative part seems to be negated completeily for the sake of a stronger Leech.
So is there some information missing on that thread, or does Dark Taboo effectiveily cause the loss of Consume Spirit's MP... entireily?

Desdi - Sanctuary

A person in-game has Dark Taboo and confirmed that it only restores HP which means that Consume Spirit is being lost..completely.
It doesn't particularly bother me because I use pots, sometimes charm and auto-pots and whatnot but I know some HA/LA Venomancers that like fighting in Fox Form may not like that. I'm not sure how good the HP leeched is though. I won't be having this skill for a while, going for the passive defence one at the moment

Kinda lame though, I don't see why they couldn't give it both HP/MP considering Grudge Strike has all the effects (accuracy debuff & frontal AOE from Befuddling, channeling debuff from Fox Wallop) from the skills being merged o_o

opkossy

Meh. Consume spirit became nothing more than a filler skill the instant we got MP foods and divine potions.

Before that, HP was low enough to ~kinda~ justify the HP loss via consume/leech combo and MP charms ticking was something to actively avoid but after food and that massive gear jump to Nirvana came along leech and consume spirit both started to be.... really not that good for their effects at all.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I wouldn't have minded if it gave back like 2k MP <.< >.> since I'd be throwing it here and there while Fox Form is on cooldown (in PvE that is). Not a complaint really just..an observation I guess lol (like I said, I don't care personally).

opkossy

Yeah. Wish the new skill combined both without the HP drain. Would make it a great filler skill that actually has a bit more use.

Ah well. Q_Q

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Nnnnn.... I always thought it was awesome having an HP->mana skill, mana->HP skill, and a HP<->Mana skill since HP/MP master >:3 But I guess I acknowledged that once I got my gear upgraded, I wouldn't really be able to use consume spirit anymore since it'd eat away way too much HP to be worth it even in grinding, since leech would in no way be ale to make up for it anymore. (600 HP leech...)
In any case, the skills were complete opposite of each other so the concept of merging them is a little weird... and I guess that an HP restoring skill with a cooldown of 4 seconds (sage) that costs no MP since it gives MP would be a little weird OTL

With veno skills costing so little MP, the new fox forme not taking away 25% of your MP so you can use charms/have more mana for purges and amps, merging of skills that let you do the same damage of two skills without having to skill spam in fox forme, and just in general the same reason malefic's MP drain was always obsolete... I guess it's become pretty unnecessary. I'll miss its animation though, the blue light was pretty >:

And no penalty consume would be great, haha

Desdi - Sanctuary

Bump.

Earlier today I noticed/realised that Grudge Strike has a 5 meter range which I hadn't quire noticed even though it's on the description. A quick look on Asterelle's thread with the new skills indicated that all Venomancer Fox Form skills have been changed to 5 meters, once you upgrade of course. Right now, every non upgraded Fox Form skill is melee range except for the debuffs (Purge, Amp, Degen) that are 10 meters.

This is.. kinda neat. It makes me wonder if I can incorporate Stunning Blow into my playstyle and if Malelic Crush being changed into an AOE stun might have uses in TW (being the most AOE-demanding PvP scenario).

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

Hmm, being a HA-veno with base damage of a T3+10-barb...Kitty might probably even farm upgraded Grudge Strike despite being superlazy about farming skills(a.k.a. no single morai-skill farmed yet despite seeker having been Morai-able for 10 months and other chars for varying times). Kitty's atm trusting her 1.43APS for doing DPS(Amp-Sage Spark-Myriad-APS-repeat for 80-100k similar-level DPS) and probably continuing that way, but that skill damage(roughly equal to BM's Smack at least looking at description) probably makes Grudge Strike Kitty's way of dealing with massive pulls. This far Kitty's been soloing PVs by kiting and throwing Befuddling Mist all the time(or Malefic Crush-AD-Befuddling-Malefic Crush if chi full), AD-Feral Concentration-Paranova-Befuddling kiting at FC. And as it seems to be bit ranged and without channeling-phase...o_o' gg veno soloing pulls even barb can't and not taking damage at all...

If Kitty farmed Dark Taboo too, Kitty might 1-shot anything with hint of squishiness...

Kitty's 100% sure she won't farm upgraded Malefic Crush, current one's short CD makes it ideal for killing pulls quick.

E: And now that Kitty thought about it, short CDs and Insta-cast makes upgraded skills a good reason for Kitty to use Fox Form-skills against anti-APS-bosses. This far magic has done greater damage against them.