Flowsilver Palace - is a barb an absolute requirement?

CapnK - Sanctuary

So all of the bosses in Advanced Flowsilver are a joke except... that damned frog boss. His 1-hit attack seems to kill everything that isn't a barb. 22k hp sins die to it, seekers die to it. Has anyone successfully beaten it without a barb? Or is this just some "you must use this class or else!" thing PW is shoving down our throats?

FistToDeath - Dreamweaver

CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

So all of the bosses in Advanced Flowsilver are a joke except... that damned frog boss. His 1-hit attack seems to kill everything that isn't a barb. 22k hp sins die to it, seekers die to it. Has anyone successfully beaten it without a barb? Or is this just some "you must use this class or else!" thing PW is shoving down our throats?

Even 32k+ hp jaded seekers are 1-shot by him. It's a class thing, as far as I know. However, it's doable without a barb, just have 9 people stand behind the boss and one only the tank in front. Tank dies, secondary tank goes alone in the front.

The 1-shot can be resisted by sins (either focused mind or tidal, idk which cause the sin who resisted it in my run was demon with both demon skills and I didn't ask which one he was using, but my guess would be tidal cause system damage usually counts as DoT, which is a kind of negative status) and by AD/immunity pots.

I've done it at least twice without a barb. One of the times someone missed the boss because was running back, so not a very efficient way of farming it. With a barb that thing goes smoothly as a bh run.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

The only way I've done it without barb is with chaining immunities. He telegraphs that move in advance.

I think it's pretty stupid for having a totally arbitrary attack like that. Where are the bosses that kill everyone but archers?

Adroit - Lost City

I've only done the instance like 4 times, but 3/4 of those were without a barb. A sin that triple spark resists the one shot can tank it just fine. I'd imagine other classes could as well, but haven't tried yet.

Desdi - Sanctuary

If all else fails, run the instance in normal mode so people get their kills.
I've only done the instance like..4 times (on 2nd rebirth at the moment) and only one time without a Barbarian but we still managed. A lot of people didn't get the kill though so we had to run the normal mode after.

Eruvanda - Dreamweaver

In my server we usually run hard mode for the quest/coins, and easy mode right after for those who missed any bosses and to farm more OBPs/PoFs.

_dblazen_ - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I've only done the instance like 4 times, but 3/4 of those were without a barb. A sin that triple spark resists the one shot can tank it just fine. I'd imagine other classes could as well, but haven't tried yet.

This.
Pretty much anyone who can get 3 sparks in time again (or 1 or 2 if you are really good at timing and have really low ping) and have the ability to read can do it.

FlyRanger - Dreamweaver

What's the skill that does this? Sometimes my archer gets a debuff, which can 1 shot me, if I don't purify the buff also.

I know some psychics I've ran with use expel, or their phys immune skill to avoid the bosses slash "1 shot".


I strongly suspect archers could use wings of grace when the bosses does this sound, as It makes us immune to damage for 2 seconds.....We'd have enough chi for this also, and cleric can just purify the buff off.


Every run I have gone on though, I've held aggro

(except with a psychic who is already reawaken with a nice set of cards and gear.)

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Or 2 spark to purify as an archer

Mosz - Heavens Tear

FlyRanger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What's the skill that does this? Sometimes my archer gets a debuff, which can 1 shot me, if I don't purify the buff also.

something along the lines of "all of you will die" i think is the one that kills non barbs

and not sure when he buffs the earth build up damage skill that needs to be puried, but that one gives you plenty time

Medaka - Morai

As far as I've seen the one-hit attack happens 5 seconds after the second axe shout, the one where the boss selfbuffs. It can be resisted by sparks, IG, AD and all that. I've personally had to tank the boss this way for a barb-less squad and the 5 second count made the timing a lot easier, as sometimes it does the attack way too quickly after shouting it in chat.

I'm not entirely sure it's a barb only unless they just got too lazy with normal mode. That one says the exact same thing but I was able to tank it easily, despite not tanking the hard mode one. Even saw a psy tank the hit in normal mode, so that's either not a whole barb requirement... or hard mode just has an insane HP/defense requirement.

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

something along the lines of "all of you will die" i think is the one that kills non barbs

and not sure when he buffs the earth build up damage skill that needs to be puried, but that one gives you plenty time

The DoT-like telekinesis skill is cast on the person that the axe spawns on when he throws it. As far as I saw it's completely random (had it both as tank and as DD, be it once, twice or three times in a row).

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Medaka - Morai wrote: »

As far as I've seen the one-hit attack happens 5 seconds after the second axe shout, the one where the boss selfbuffs. It can be resisted by sparks, IG, AD and all that. I've personally had to tank the boss this way for a barb-less squad and the 5 second count made the timing a lot easier, as sometimes it does the attack way too quickly after shouting it in chat.

I'm not entirely sure it's a barb only unless they just got too lazy with normal mode. That one says the exact same thing but I was able to tank it easily, despite not tanking the hard mode one. Even saw a psy tank the hit in normal mode, so that's either not a whole barb requirement... or hard mode just has an insane HP/defense requirement.



The DoT-like telekinesis skill is cast on the person that the axe spawns on when he throws it. As far as I saw it's completely random (had it both as tank and as DD, be it once, twice or three times in a row).

Hard mode has a DoT like thing that seems to 1 shot you much like the one from EU. WHile a barb is not an absolute requirement (I've tanked it), it seems as tho barbs can be unaffected by either that, or another special attack of his. I've seen a r9rr+12 jaded seeker go down without a debuff on him, so I can't say for sure.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Medaka - Morai wrote: »

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The "Barbarian exclusive" attack is also resisted by Tidal Protection and Faith. It's probably some kind of hard hitting one-tick DoT. Just throwing this out here.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

It's possible to without a barb if you can time resists/immunes/expel. I've tanked this boss a few times now. Though an aggro switch (melee bosses so 50% damage reduction being an archer) makes this more risky, plus that instances creates some horrid lagg.

So I will always prefer to take a barb when/if we can. In the runs with a barb I switch to my unrefined r8r bow and omalleys and do the axes. No one dies. No one has to come running back. No one ends up missing the kill. So no need to 'npnp redo easy mode after'

Also the barb buffs are awesome, the barb interrupt is really nice on the blossom boss to block the heal and tbh barbs have been neglected as of late with everyone being OP and 'not needing one' so some kitteh love is a nice change.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I've always loved the kitties. They are fluffy b:dirty

Longknife - Harshlands

A (sage) Psy can do it, though it's very taxing and sorta time-limited for the Psychic. A good sage Psy can chain immunities and damage reductions for a good ~2 minutes straight without risk. After that? Best to have someone in vent with you ready to expel, as all it takes is 1-2 expel buddies to fill in the 10-second gap you get when your pots and genie are on cooldown.


Only problem with this though is that should you die, all hell breaks loose, so obviously the barb is preferred.

And yeah, I've noticed a DoT people often miss and try to alert them to it. A looooot of people seem to miss it.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's possible to without a barb if you can time resists/immunes/expel. I've tanked this boss a few times now. Though an aggro switch (melee bosses so 50% damage reduction being an archer) makes this more risky, plus that instances creates some horrid lagg.

So I will always prefer to take a barb when/if we can. In the runs with a barb I switch to my unrefined r8r bow and omalleys and do the axes. No one dies. No one has to come running back. No one ends up missing the kill. So no need to 'npnp redo easy mode after'

Also the barb buffs are awesome, the barb interrupt is really nice on the blossom boss to block the heal and tbh barbs have been neglected as of late with everyone being OP and 'not needing one' so some kitteh love is a nice change.

While the bottom bit is very true, as a barbarian vet myself, I know why that is. The class is extremely expensive to play, and if you are a bad barb it only makes it worse. There are a lot of bad or rather oblivious barbs on DW. They don't pay attention to things they should, and they dont bother gearing up like they should.

I think barbs would be more wanted if they stopped the "I am only tank class" or "I am barb, I are tank" mentality and helped out the person that can hold aggro and handle it. Fleshreaming and causing aggro ping pong when you have a high DD tanking a boss, is stupid. It causes un-needed deaths, and it's really annoyong. I love barbs, but they arent needed all the time, I'd rather know I'm risking my charm from the start than going into a squad with a bad one.

Evryn - Morai

Agreeing with above. People tend to forget that almost every class, including Barb, can work well in -support- role rather then tank or primary damagedealer. The Barb has an extra leg up that, if it doesn't function as the primary tank and your prime tank does go down, it can quickly grab aggro before any (relatively) squishy DD's go down. A support barb can be a TPK failsafe.

braidey

no a barb is not a requirement :P they just tank like hell but when the boss one shots without regard to ur hp or deaden honey badger dont give a ****

XDeliciousx - Morai

Well barb is not a must if you have tank that knows how to chain immunity things BUT... Female char in squad IS requirement because only females get the kissy-kissy thing to summon the boss b:pleased

slamstone

XDeliciousx - Morai wrote: »

BUT... Female char in squad IS requirement because only females get the kissy-kissy thing to summon the boss b:pleased

not really, you can also summon the boss by killing 1 or 2 of those frogs from the walls

Azunai - Raging Tide

Shamoke, the wonder psy of Levi in RT, tanks everything in there, pretty fast runs too. Barbless squad and sometimes with 3 clerics in UVD and no sins.

Zoldi - Morai

Not an absolute requirement (80-85% of the time I didn't have a barb in squad), but this is way easier with a barb though.

bangis2010

in general with average gear/weap squad (g16 i think ) they asking mostly for barb for this frog boss. but compare to OP squad they do it on a not normal way ( thats why they called over power for nothing). when i say not normal way it means barb are not holding the aggro or no barb at all.

Veneir - Dreamweaver

I'm just sitting here surprised no one's mentioned venos--even Desdi-- since they have the longest chainable immunity abillities...

Azura - Lost City

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm just sitting here surprised no one's mentioned venos--even Desdi-- since they have the longest chainable immunity abillities...

The problem is that to be the tank, the veno would have to be dealing the most damage.

adamx01

lots of different characters can tank toad in fsp, iv been ina squad that has had a cleric do it and a psy..so the answer is, no u do not need a barb

SweetieBot - Lothranis

adamx01 wrote: »

lots of different characters can tank toad in fsp, iv been ina squad that has had a cleric do it and a psy..so the answer is, no u do not need a barb

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