Jolly Jones

Sir_Wolfman - Raging Tide

This patch made it so we can no longer finish our old bounty orders. I would like to request that we be allowed to do the bounty orders whenever we want(Like we have been able to do all year!). We only get 7 per day so it will not change the amount of time to do the quests or the coins earned from doing them.

For example, we should be allowed to pick the 7 orders each day then do them all during the weekend. Some people actually have jobs or go to school so yeah would be nice to finish up the orders when you actually have time on weekends...We've been able to do this all year so why make a negative change! As people like to say, "if it isn't broken don't fix it!!"

opkossy

I'll quote my edit from the other thread here:

OPKossy wrote: »

Yeah but the problem is this.

We all know how starved PWI is for stuff and their restrictions. Val had to fight tooth and nail for this and I doubt the folks above him would be willing to add entirely new flags just for this system.

So with what we currently have, we run into the following issue: Someone wanting to abuse the system with multiple characters in range for the rewards can easily do so using our current tools because if it's not flagged as an account-wide restriction then every character on the account has free access to it. So if they do an account restriction of 7 per day (what they intended from the start) we get the situation where those who aren't able to do it daily miss out and have extra useless orders. The alternative? If they don't do the account-wide restriction, those who want to abuse the system via multiple alts in the range get free reign on things. Even if they were to make it a character based restriction, only those with multiple characters to abuse the system profit. The people playing legitimately would still have the same problem as an account restriction in that they'd be unable to turn in extras from not doing all 7 each day.


If we had more freedom with our coding on PWI's side, I'd be against the reversion to their original design... but if we had that freedom, I'd have also wanted them to have done it in the ideal fashion (level ranges implemented account-wide but individual characters are able to complete extras as long as there aren't more than one characters on the account collecting orders for the same level range). Considering what we have to work with, though? I'd prefer the way it originally was than what it was changed to be.

HolyPowerz - Harshlands

there is yet another factor to look at .. like those of us who work 2 jobs and barly have time to run daily quests .. so now we arnt able to log on get our daily bounty orders and collect them later when we have free time to do so?


even if it is flagged as an account restriction whats the difference if they really want to abuse it chances are they are just going to make more accounts and keep going weather its 8 characters from one account or 8 different accounts wont really matter to the abuser's.

personly i play all my characters legitly as possable minus a small get them started fund so they can buy some skill they will need wich meens all my character have to pay for their own ride.

Plz Note this is just an observation of somthing i have seen and not recomended to try this in case it is in fact an exploit.

if i start a new toon then that toon might get 100k to get them started . after that they have to farm their way and sell their own way .. so doing daily jones with multiple character who are using the money from the quest to pay their own way really isnt exploiting.

sense each character should be able to earn rewards from their quests.. i meen they wouldnt restrict FB weapons or the quest rewards from the quest master to one per acount go look at your servers local AH tell me how much scarlet fruit you see in there. tell me somone hasnt played a bunch of toons threw the 100 quests and acount stashed it to their main deleted their lowbie and went back at it.

once you know where to go you could easly run 4-5 characters threw 100 lowbie quests in an afternoons game play as a bored teen with nothing to do. not sure the price right now but last year around this time you could see fruit in ah 100k a pop.

but how would this be any different then people running threw fbs or farming Mori or farming mats in TT these lowbie toons have found a way to make a little coin and its not like they didnt have to spend time to do it. me i would go insane doing that it is much more to toss on some specialzed gear and go round up groups of mobs and AoE them with Sirens kiss, Razor Feathers, and Tempest.

ovenusarmanio

I agree with this suggestion. The restriction on the daily to only being done once per char per account in that level range already restricts abuse. It's not like it saves someone time or something.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Why am I not surprised that the devs went for the ****tiest fix for the machine problem, again....? Bs.

HolyPowerz - Harshlands

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I agree with this suggestion. The restriction on the daily to only being done once per char per account in that level range already restricts abuse. It's not like it saves someone time or something.

Yea im not disagreeing with the level range restriction. im just saying people who are going to abuse are going to find away regardless of how its set up.

hoover69

it was working fine all these months and now they wanna do this? to stop abusers? what is being abuse? huh? i don't get it i see no abuse

oh wait i get it the abuse is saving bounty orders for later use to make the same amount of coins they would have if they done it daily but thats only for people who got no work or school or social life the rest of us got **** to do so we can only log on for alittle while until we got free time but no thats abuse.

Neferhotep - Lost City

hoover69 wrote: »

it was working fine all these months and now they wanna do this? to stop abusers? what is being abuse? huh? i don't get it i see no abuse

- adv grinding machine abuse (people spending hours at this machine to pick up massive amounts of items, nobody else can dig there anymore) .

- People botting jollys

- People lvling multiple toons to a certain lvl range to pick up the coins /doing the quests, what certainly is the main reason for them to make it lvl-restricted and 7 per day only.

And you know what? I dont see any abuse in the last point at all. I do have multipe 5x Characters and picked up the quests on them, also doing them. Because nothing i did was against the ToS. I did work for those chars, i quested on them and spend hours on them. I didnt bot, **** or anything. I made about 600k per day, what is nothing compared to fc sellers, botters and Cashers. People doing bh 100+ on multiple chars, cube and have farming alts arent different.

And i understand people raging about it since it is a constant income for a few days of work only, even more if those chars were powerleveled. Although i dont support the fact that you cannot do it on multiple chars on the same lvl range anymore, im fine with it.

Being not able to do more than 7 a day is just stupid. They can remove the starting fee for all characters the same lvl range like it is now. But there is no legit point in that 7 per day rule. The only reason i can think of is that less people will log in each day to do the jollys, what results in less money overall and more money for PWE (its not as obvious as reducing the money for each quest) .

However, this is probably also because of the new ingame bot what gives you a good way to gain money on lower chars as well .. yet.

puremassacre

I am posting to COMPLAIN about the stupid changes to Jolly Old Jones questline.
This was previously the ONLY chance for non-cash players to survive in this game. You have now limited it to one quest per 10lvl character per accounts and to the use of only 7tags per day.
THIS IS A JOKE !
How are non-cash players meant to buy gear with that? You are going to lose most of your players in the end with this attitude. You are just encouraging massive multi-accounts and people don

FUTHERMORE, while I support the destruction of illegal botting ect, pwi you have a real cheek to refer to people using jolly old jones for cash as "abusers" of the system.
WHAT ABOUT HIGH LEVEL PLAYERS THAT HAVE NETWORKS OF FAKE ACCOUNTS?
You lot know by the IP addresses that is it more than 2, why don't you fix those "abusers" ? than you may have more real players and not just a small core of scammers. BUT NO .... your changes disadvantage the players with one account that play FAIRLY.

Evryn - Morai

@Opkossy:
Simple solution. Remove cash grant on getting the orders, raise cash grant on doing the orders. If someone wants to bank themselves 1000 orders across 15 characters, have at it. You'll never be able to finish them, and if there's no benefit to collecting orders people will stop making insane amounts of accounts to do so.

Also, based on observation, the system is set as follows:
1 character per account can collect bounty orders daily.
2 characters per account can actually do them (for a total of 14, with a limit of 7 per character).

So to a limited extent banking a few orders for later use is still possible.

However, the problem they've tried to address won't be solved. People will now simply make more accounts for Jolly alts. After all, all you need to make one is some time and another email alias to register it with... And you need to put up with the hassle of keeping track of all the accounts.
That said, by integrating what's basically BMBot into the main gaming client (support staff got fed up with botting reports perhaps?) I'm guessing the main moneymaker will be Mystics or BMs beating up hordes of NPCs.

STrickeeN - Harshlands

hey pwi, i worked hard on getting my alts lvled to do jolly jones every weekend. now u decided to put 7 quest per day 1 per acc, r u kidding? i wonder if u ever played pwi in ur life, do u know how u ruined our lives?i spent like 200 hours leveling my alts, just for getting you desperate for a solution to the abusers, but in the end made it worse?

get back old jolly jones, and add new machines dont be unfair.