Earth Gaurd's were JIPPED
TemptingFire - Dreamweaver
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I'd really like to bring this to attention here.
My main is an E.G. and i hate that my flyer is not upgrade able while every other races is upgrade able well except for fishies flyers. I don't think their's are upgrade able either but my point being we got screwed in that department.
And please for the love of god don't forget the fact we CAN'T WIELD A BOW. Honestly that pisses me off so much. Like why do the Game Makers hate E.Gs hardcore? Why are you **** our race over. Its like we are the **** children and you guys don't care to give us nice things. ( I don't know if i can say that in the forums so if not someone let me know and i'll change it getting banned is the last thing i need. )
Please for the love of all that is good;
GIVE EARTH GUARDS UPGRADES.
Give us new fliers,
Give us the ability to UPGRADE our current fliers with wind widgets,
And above all give us the ability to wield a bow.b:sadb:shutupb:bye
My main is an E.G. and i hate that my flyer is not upgrade able while every other races is upgrade able well except for fishies flyers. I don't think their's are upgrade able either but my point being we got screwed in that department.
And please for the love of god don't forget the fact we CAN'T WIELD A BOW. Honestly that pisses me off so much. Like why do the Game Makers hate E.Gs hardcore? Why are you **** our race over. Its like we are the **** children and you guys don't care to give us nice things. ( I don't know if i can say that in the forums so if not someone let me know and i'll change it getting banned is the last thing i need. )
Please for the love of all that is good;
GIVE EARTH GUARDS UPGRADES.
Give us new fliers,
Give us the ability to UPGRADE our current fliers with wind widgets,
And above all give us the ability to wield a bow.b:sadb:shutupb:bye
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Seekers are heavy armor, have access to hard hitting physical and metal ranged attacks, which can get bonuses from God of Frenzy, have massive defense level buffs, and if they are skilled and well geared an all out nightmare to deal with in pk mode.
They can also with bloodpaint, easily solo all the mobs in the fcc experience room or be ridiculously useful in delta runs. Whats up with that?
Mystics are also ridiculously powerful in pvp if played right. A R999 +10 mystic can pop an ironguard powder and gale force an entire group of enemies to death. And if you manage to kill them, they pop right back up with their Resurrect buff. And since the cooldown on Resurrect is only 30 seconds, a well geared mystic may never actually stay dead.
Bottom line is the earthguard classes in pwi broke the game balance worse than the tideborns could have ever dreamed to even with the best gear in the game.0 -
You think the Earth Guard have been jipped? You don't know what jipped means. PWI has been jipping wizards for years.
If anything, the game makers hate wizards the most. Read this ---> http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=20155511&postcount=6 You haven't suffered enough to QQ about being jipped or screwed. b:scorn0 -
Teiw - Sanctuary wrote: »Seekers are heavy armor, have access to hard hitting physical and metal ranged attacks, which can get bonuses from God of Frenzy, have massive defense level buffs, and if they are skilled and well geared an all out nightmare to deal with in pk mode.
They can also with bloodpaint, easily solo all the mobs in the fcc experience room or be ridiculously useful in delta runs. Whats up with that?
Mystics are also ridiculously powerful in pvp if played right. A R999 +10 mystic can pop an ironguard powder and gale force an entire group of enemies to death. And if you manage to kill them, they pop right back up with their Resurrect buff. And since the cooldown on Resurrect is only 30 seconds, a well geared mystic may never actually stay dead.
Bottom line is the earthguard classes in pwi broke the game balance worse than the tideborns could have ever dreamed to even with the best gear in the game.
Did you just go off an unknown tangent completely unrelated to OPs post? I think you did.
Anyway OP I agree that earthguards have been forgotten in a few fields such as flyers. The tideborns get a 3.2 flyer with 6.2 haste speed for 15 gold and earthguards get a 3.0 with 5.0 haste speed for 20 gold. There is no consistency when it comes to the pricing of flyers in boutique and this seriously needs to be looked at as well as the ability to upgrade your favourite flyers to a higher speed just like the original 3 races can.
On the note of weapons, I agree! Every other class has the ability to customise their character the way they want in regards to weapons yet earthguards can't, I absolutely hate this inconsistency. If I want to put claws on my mystic why shouldn't I be able to? A wizard surely can if they wanted to.0 -
I agree, my dream of being the most powerful Claw aps mystic was torn away from me when I found out claws were restricted to the old classes and tideborn only.
Equality for earthguards pls.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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TemptingFire - Dreamweaver wrote: »
Please for the love of all that is good;
GIVE EARTH GUARDS UPGRADES.
Give us new fliers,
Give us the ability to UPGRADE our current fliers with wind widgets,
And above all give us the ability to wield a bow.b:sadb:shutupb:bye
After Archosaur Studio was fired, the new developers didn't seem to know how to work with the code and that can be seen in many areas such as: quest items go to the inventory instead of the quest bag.
Because of the above, Tideborn and Earthguard flyers cannot be upgraded because it appears the developers don't know how the heck to program it.
The studio seems to be back to working for Wanmei though so maybe some fixes happen...
I fail to see how you get jipped by not equipping a bow though..killing snowmen? killing heads in FCC? there are plenty of ways to work around that.
Also, pretty sure all or at least most classes have been screwed over at one time of another. The history of threads in each class sub-forum reveals that.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »After Archosaur Studio was fired, the new developers didn't seem to know how to work with the code and that can be seen in many areas such as: quest items go to the inventory instead of the quest bag.
Because of the above, Tideborn and Earthguard flyers cannot be upgraded because it appears the developers don't know how the heck to program it.
The studio seems to be back to working for Wanmei though so maybe some fixes happen...
I fail to see how you get jipped by not equipping a bow though..killing snowmen? killing heads in FCC? there are plenty of ways to work around that.
What is a good alternative? Bows also come in handy for tiger event as well.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I replied to the 7th topic on the 1st page of mystic forums, and got reported for necro. Plz save mystic forums.0 -
Play the classes as they are intended and stop bishing.
Not one class is underpowered and ESPECIALLY not wizards or earthguards.0 -
Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »After Archosaur Studio was fired, the new developers didn't seem to know how to work with the code and that can be seen in many areas such as: quest items go to the inventory instead of the quest bag.
Because of the above, Tideborn and Earthguard flyers cannot be upgraded because it appears the developers don't know how the heck to program it.
The studio seems to be back to working for Wanmei though so maybe some fixes happen...
I fail to see how you get jipped by not equipping a bow though..killing snowmen? killing heads in FCC? there are plenty of ways to work around that.
Also, pretty sure all or at least most classes have been screwed over at one time of another. The history of threads in each class sub-forum reveals that.
Winner of "The Most Reasonable Reply Award" for this thread (and, maybe the entire forum). b:victory
I would also like to pop off Heads in FC, and stuff with a nice cheap bow and free arrows.
Its not about playing a class as intended, if it was, the only class weilding a bow should obviously be an Archer.
I hope Archosaur Studios can fullfill even a quarter of what the player's dream they can.
Earthguards! We are here! Get used to us! *ghost raises right fist in the air in a sign of solidarity*0 -
99% of pw don't even use haste on mounts and a whole dang .2 really isn't all that so plz quit crying about dumb ****.
and about the bows..thats dumb too if you cant spam 2 simple skills out as a seeker to kill measly heads in ff..you dumb,you would miss more than hit with a bow anyways so just use your stupid skills.0 -
Im a Mystic - a ghost Mystic at that. An apparition - not tangible, no longer 'real'. If I would like a bow, I will say so.
Its not like a pokey Mystic is going to take over the game with a little variety in Flyers.
It's the Holidays, afterall. Dont be so dumb as to think people are not going to be making ingame 'wish lists'. b:chuckle0 -
Uh I don't need a bow, ijs...
As for flyers, I'd verymuch appreciate it to have a choice. A choice that doesn't cost 100m+ because it comes from some pack.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Let's be honest here.
Archo studios MAY have been able to implement upgradeable fliers, but they couldn't figure out how to fix bugs, exploits, and glitches that existed since before 2007.
So really, do you think that just because the original devs are back, they're gonna fix something that's been essentially broken for 4 years? They never fixed the little glitch where venos/mystics can kill mobs and bosses from the air with a pet without having to heal, use pots, or anything at all. So really, chances of this getting fixed are like... Zilch.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Im thinking for the Mystic, it is not a glitch that we can kill with our summons.
Our summons were meant to work from Land, Sea and Air. At the very least on most things they encounter, they will need to either heal or re-summon the summons.
The only exception to this being any OP-geared class/player. *ghost shrugs*
Im going to hope that Archo Studios can make it better. As a ghost, they cant make it any worse for me.0 -
TemptingFire - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'd really like to bring this to attention here.
My main is an E.G. and i hate that my flyer is not upgrade able while every other races is upgrade able well except for fishies flyers. I don't think their's are upgrade able either but my point being we got screwed in that department.
And please for the love of god don't forget the fact we CAN'T WIELD A BOW. Honestly that pisses me off so much. Like why do the Game Makers hate E.Gs hardcore? Why are you **** our race over. Its like we are the **** children and you guys don't care to give us nice things. ( I don't know if i can say that in the forums so if not someone let me know and i'll change it getting banned is the last thing i need. )
Please for the love of all that is good;
GIVE EARTH GUARDS UPGRADES.
Give us new fliers,
Give us the ability to UPGRADE our current fliers with wind widgets,
And above all give us the ability to wield a bow.b:sadb:shutupb:bye
Just buy the 3.0 flyer, or get the Terra's Embrace(the dark equivalent is rarer). All the newer ones are unnecessary.
And don't need a bow. I can't remember a time where one would have been useful. Even in the big room in FCC.0 -
Desdi already said most of what I have, with one exception...
Rather than allowing Seekers to use a bow, Limit all of the other weapons to their respective classes.
BM ~ Sword, Axe/Hammer, Polearm, fist/claw
Wizard ~ Wand, Glaive, Pataka, Magic Sword (Which should deal more physical damage btw for a battle mage)
Archer ~ Bow, Crossbow, Slingshot
Cleric ~ Wand, Glaive, Pataka, Magic Sword
Veno ~ Wand, Glaive, Pataka, Magic Sword, Mag-based claw for true-form
Barbarian ~ Axe/Hammer, Poleaxe/Hammer, Claw
Assasin ~ Dagger
Phychic ~ Soulsphere
Mystic ~ Wand, Glaive, Pataka, Magic Sword
Seeker ~ Sword
But imagine all the QQ if that were to happen. It would certainly do a lot to "balance" things a bit, and bring the game back to a more interesting point of gameplay.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Just from sins and BMs.
And while BMs can use swords, they obviously never do anyway.0 -
Vennesetiid - Sanctuary wrote: »Just buy the 3.0 flyer, or get the Terra's Embrace(the dark equivalent is rarer). All the newer ones are unnecessary.
And don't need a bow. I can't remember a time where one would have been useful. Even in the big room in FCC.
Ive had the Centipede since I first needed a flyer. We have been together some years now. The temporary Spectre Kite is awesome beautiful, but its temporary. A permanent and relatively affordable version would be cool. Maybe something nice for male E.G.s too, who are also tired of their Centipede?
I dont need a bow. I want one, though. Adds variety to gameplay, even solo gameplay.
I dont need a Ferrari, Lamborgini, Bentley or Rolls Royce either - but I wont be chasing after Santa and Rudolph, screaming, "Wait! I dont need this!" b:shocked, if they leave one (complete with keys and my name on the title) in my driveway in the early morning hours of December 25th.0 -
Teiw - Sanctuary wrote: »Seekers are heavy armor, have access to hard hitting physical and metal ranged attacks, which can get bonuses from God of Frenzy, have massive defense level buffs, and if they are skilled and well geared an all out nightmare to deal with in pk mode.
They can also with bloodpaint, easily solo all the mobs in the fcc experience room or be ridiculously useful in delta runs. Whats up with that?
Mystics are also ridiculously powerful in pvp if played right. A R999 +10 mystic can pop an ironguard powder and gale force an entire group of enemies to death. And if you manage to kill them, they pop right back up with their Resurrect buff. And since the cooldown on Resurrect is only 30 seconds, a well geared mystic may never actually stay dead.
Bottom line is the earthguard classes in pwi broke the game balance worse than the tideborns could have ever dreamed to even with the best gear in the game.
Let me say that i am NOT a seeker. I am a Mystic. A bow would be LOVELY in the Christmas events, such as the snowmen. People come out of the wood works for snowmen and they die in the blink of an eye. Mystic skills do not cast fast enough to beable to kill snowmen before some jerk steps in and kills them while you're in the middle of casting a skill. I have had this happen to me many times. And it is highly rude. I have to go onto an alt that can wield a bow for the Christmas events. I think that is not at all fair. Every class in game can wield anything while i'm stuck to what i'm told i can wield. I can't build my Mystic the way i want to to use a weapon i want to because it says i'm not capable of wielding it.
Another thing, its funny you would think EVERYONE is able to get R999 +10 gear. Not all of us are that lucky and have the ability to farm relentlessly to get the gear, then there is the Rep factor which will take you a long time to get the rep in game if you do not have the money to throw into game. Its a pay to win sort of situation. So don't sit here and spew OP bullcrap at me about something i never even mentioned in the first place.
There is always someone who goes to the R999 +10 factor and its really annoying, yeah they can take down stuff but how many Mystics in game have you seen that were able to do so. I've seen two in my GamePlay on my server. TWO. And I've been playing since the original classes.0 -
TemptingFire - Dreamweaver wrote: »Mystic skills do not cast fast enough to beable to kill snowmen.
I lol'ed.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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TemptingFire - Dreamweaver wrote: »I can't build my Mystic the way i want to to use a weapon i want to because it says i'm not capable of wielding it.
In terms of builds, even if you could wield other weapons, you wouldn't be able to use your skills so it would be pointless anyway. It somewhat makes sense to use a Claw (for example) on Venomancers because debuffs are not affected by weapon and there's also melee mastery and stuffs... but what exactly would you do on a Mystic? No bashing you or anything, just saying.
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@ Xainou
Meh...its actually true. Some guy across the room can kill one faster than your summon or NV can get to it most times.
Very good point on the snowmen too. Not that you cant kill them, but bow and arrow is all you need.
It is what it is.
You can also run around just picking up the drops the hoardes of rambling snowmen killers leave behind (that's right! Lots of times they arent even interested in the drops, just killing the snowmen as fast as they can to create localized snowman spam, lol.)
Yep, you can do that - but its more fun to kill some yourself. b:cute0 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »Some guy across the room can kill one faster than NV can get to it most times.
Lol another of those. Have you guys ever actually killed a snowman? b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »Lol another of those. Have you guys ever actually killed a snowman? b:chuckle
Oh sorry, I meant heads in FC with that. xD
Yes I have. I think a level 2 can too, lol. b:chuckle
But, some people want to have some fun for themselves, and in places as traditionally crowded with roaving snowman murderers, its not easy to get in on the fun, ijs...
Honestly, after about the first hour, their spam grows beyond annoying. *ghost stands at AH in West, covering ears*0 -
They should make a permanent 3.2 EG flyers and send to ALL EG on ALL servers for Christmas. b:cute0
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MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »They should make a permanent 3.2 EG flyers and send to ALL EG on ALL servers for Christmas. b:cute
Winner of "The Best Current Suggestion Award" for this thread. b:victory
If the nay-sayers hurry, they can have their new EG char to level 20 by then. b:chuckle0 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »Im thinking for the Mystic, it is not a glitch that we can kill with our summons.
Our summons were meant to work from Land, Sea and Air. At the very least on most things they encounter, they will need to either heal or re-summon the summons.
The only exception to this being any OP-geared class/player. *ghost shrugs*
Im going to hope that Archo Studios can make it better. As a ghost, they cant make it any worse for me.
The glitch works on veno air pets too. I can kill some mobs and bosses without them attacking back at all. This is bannable by the TOU. Yet it never actually happens.
I see venos or Mystics killing mob after mob after mob this way, intentionally glitching.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »The glitch works on veno air pets too. I can kill some mobs and bosses without them attacking back at all. This is bannable by the TOU. Yet it never actually happens.
I see venos or Mystics killing mob after mob after mob this way, intentionally glitching.
Maybe you are right when it comes to bosses. I remember that guy in Map 3 OHT being darned impossible to kill solo, and I tried killing him while flying. I didnt lure him, just tried to get where he couldnt kill me in a split second. My summons wasnt killing him though, and I was also DDing him. Needing everything I had, I also used AS on him, always breaking aggro. b:chuckle
He always ran away and immediately healed.
Im not sure if there is an applicable situation with a Mystic (sorry, clueless about Veno's) that due to flying qualifies as a break in the rules of the TOS.
I remember how that was considered luring, and against the TOS. Later, I learned that the way to kill him was to lure him away from those rabid zombie fast-respawning mobs to a clearing.
Okay, wait! Is that against the ToS though??? What to do?? What to do?? b:shocked
Mystics are not usually as resiliant as Venos personally. We cant shape-shift, and most of us dont prefer LA gears. We die at the drop of hat if we pull aggro as baby Mystics, and sometimes even as full grown ones.
Perhaps the confusion created by appropriate places to lure, is why those rules are not enforced. I can stand behind a rock and miss the AoE. Where is the difference in that and flying? Even to simply HP myself out of range, and wait to lose aggro and maybe try again - isnt doing that, the same as flying?
In any of those cases, you are getting the heck out of the way, lol. b:chuckle
P.S. Mystics do have a nerf on the whole Land, Sea, Air thingy. If Im flying, I dont hit something on Land as strongly as I would if I was on land too, and vice versa. It is balanced, and not a glitch when it comes to Mystics.
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@Brillance
IT is not flying that is against the TOS, it is glitching the boss. Certain bosses when attacked from the air in a certain way, won't reset nor fight back. Making them little more than a giant punching bag for the veno/mystic. Obviously purposefully exploiting a game glitch is against the TOS.
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I am really glad that they didn't allow seeker to become just another APS class. It forced more variety in the hard armor classes. If you really want to be a fist user who can wield a sword and skill spam, roll a bm. Being able to vortex + aps would've been very broken when the EG were introduced. As for not being able to use a bow, it does kinda suck on snowmen and heads but those are two very small situations. Just get earthquake on a genie or something for that.0 -
The part that is a bannable violation is killing the mobs/boss by using pet in such a manner that the mob/boss keeps aggro on the pet, yet never deals any damage.Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »...
Okay, wait! Is that against the ToS though??? What to do?? What to do?? b:shocked
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SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »The part that is a bannable violation is killing the mobs/boss by using pet in such a manner that the mob/boss keeps aggro on the pet, yet never deals any damage.
Okay, well Venus & Sylen, I didnt intentionally try to exploit anything, and Im pretty sure you already heard this tale before. I had no clue trying to kill him from the air would be against the rules, it was just a last ditch effort to solo him. I knew my hits wouldnt be as good, and he has mega HP, but I figured it was worth a shot.
After several attempts on the ground, without luring him far away from the mobs, I died repeatedly. In fact, the SoB practically ignored my summons. He's very one-pointed, and fast on the ground. And any interrupt or lag means Brilly is dead meat, as I had to spam heal myself, while trying to DD him.
My point being, Mystic defence is not as good as Veno, due to the preference for the hitting/healing power Arcane armor provides. Mystic summons are also not as resilient (unless you are OP-geared) as Veno pets seem to be.
The thought of tanking rarely enters my mind, be it with a summon or myself. I get right up in the fray in most squad situations, because we dont typically pull aggro, and as long as everyone is doing their job, Ill be just fine. b:cute
But if anyone wants to ban someone who's a ghost over their long ago past, all I got say is, "No pic, no proof!"
People say anything on a forum.
b:chuckle
Not all Mystics are R9 or better, and any Mystic that is R8 or less is not going to be killing him with their summon. Maybe a Veno can, idk. I guess they can, or otherwise its a stupid rule. b:laugh0
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