Should Mystics resbuff squad with cleric?

LordPsycoII - Archosaur

Hi everyone

I've come across something during a FC run and I want to know what my fellow Mystics feel about this.

Ok so here is the story :

I'm in a FC run with a Barbarian,Seeker,Blademaster,Cleric and me as a Mystic. So I buff the cleric and myself with my res buff thinking its sufficient for if something should go wrong in a FC 90-98, then the cleric can res them. After all that's what a cleric's job is. Healing,buffing and ressing. So we do a big pull (this is not in the EXP room) and the seeker runs far away from the cleric and forgets to use Crabs. The seeker dies and I rush in to place my plants and do what i can to save the situation but I was too late. So then the squad gets wiped yay. But the cleric has my res buff so its ok and she can come and res everyone else.

Now here is the interesting part : The seeker admitted that it was her fault the squad got wiped. Ok good and?. Then the squad turned to me and said I was a bad Mystic for not res buffing the whole squad. Then I tell them: ''but there is a cleric in the squad so she can come res'' but no suddenly they get all mad at me for not giving then their ''insta res''.

Now my questions are :

1. Have people really become that spoiled and lazy that they expect the Mystic to always buff the squad with the ress buff even though the cleric is perfectly capable of ressing?b:surrender

2. Am I missing something in the picture here?b:puzzled

3. Does this make me a bad Mystic?b:cry

4. What do you guys think of this?f:ponder

{Please do not rage and/or flame and/or troll and try to keep this a civilized thread. Thank you.}

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

LordPsycoII - Archosaur wrote: »

Hi everyone

I've come across something during a FC run and I want to know what my fellow Mystics feel about this.

Ok so here is the story :

I'm in a FC run with a Barbarian,Seeker,Blademaster,Cleric and me as a Mystic. So I buff the cleric and myself with my res buff thinking its sufficient for if something should go wrong in a FC 90-98, then the cleric can res them. After all that's what a cleric's job is. Healing,buffing and ressing. So we do a big pull (this is not in the EXP room) and the seeker runs far away from the cleric and forgets to use Crabs. The seeker dies and I rush in to place my plants and do what i can to save the situation but I was too late. So then the squad gets wiped yay. But the cleric has my res buff so its ok and she can come and res everyone else.

Now here is the interesting part : The seeker admitted that it was her fault the squad got wiped. Ok good and?. Then the squad turned to me and said I was a bad Mystic for not res buffing the whole squad. Then I tell them: ''but there is a cleric in the squad so she can come res'' but no suddenly they get all mad at me for not giving then their ''insta res''.

Now my questions are :

1. Have people really become that spoiled and lazy that they expect the Mystic to always buff the squad with the ress buff even though the cleric is perfectly capable of ressing?b:surrender

Sadly it seems that is the case; however, just like a lot of things in this world of gaming, it just depend on who is behind the character. Some people will absolutely understand why you did what you did, especially after explaining why you did, sure perhaps you could have mentioned it before it became a potential issue, but still... IMHO you did the right, and smart thing, personally I would have done the same thing.

2. Am I missing something in the picture here?b:puzzled

To be honest I am not sure why they did it, so many people are like "QQ, my exp" everytime they die, a cleric's res revives people with less exp loss. Not to mention your buff does have a bit of a lengthy cooldown on it. Perhaps it is ignorance on their part in that fact that a cleric's res keeps more exp in their pocket so to speak than the mystic's res.

3. Does this make me a bad Mystic?b:cry

No, again Imho, you did the right, and smart thing, keep the cleric res buffed above all else, ignore them if they QQ about no instant res, sure it may take a bit for a cleric to res everyone, but less exp loss outweighs the wait time at least imo it does.

4. What do you guys think of this?f:ponder

Pretty damn sad of them to do that, regardless of their reasons. Some explanations while they may not make sense to everyone, to most it's quite a logical thing to do if you stop to think about it/realize how much better it is for a cleric to res you/have the res buff.

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LordPsycoII - Archosaur

Thank you very much Slivaf. I'm feeling better now.

And I know when I'm the SOLE HEALER in the squad then I would buff everyone. But when there's a cleric in the squad ,hello?, keeping the cleric alive with my buff so she/he can res if something should happen is the only thing I feel I NEED to do.

And the res buff itself costs a lot of manna and since I've played this game f2p I have learned to conserve everything. So maybe I was a bit selfish,but I really feel at most I could have buffed the main tank just to be safe but just the cleric should be fine.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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The Cleric skill is call revive not ress just saying.

@OP: We never know how people can react, I saw clerics rage quit squad after a squad wipe without reviving anyone, you could get lucky and find a other cleric as you could be unlucky and not find a other one.

Some people have bad DC sometime at the point to don't be able to log back or need to leave for a emergency.

You never know what could happen, but I saw often clerics rage quit squad letting people dead, it's not nice, but it happen and if you don't find a other cleric that mean people need to go back town with a big lost of exp cause you didn't done your job.

If your forum avatar is correct than you are lvl 94, so if you care that much about mana than get the mass ress as first skill from Morai (Luminance) when you gonna be lvl95 and you will be able to ress buff all the squad with one skill.

Also the AOE ress save 95% exp which is more than a cleric revive lvl10, so yes at that point people will prefer your ress over a revive (or if you are sage at lvl99 sage ress save 95% exp too).

Also in exp room during the mobs pull (or any mobs pull) usually the cleric is in BB and if someone die, the cleric have 2 choices: drop BB to try to revive the person and get everyone else kill while he do that or stay in BB and the dead person miss all the exp, but if the person had the ress buff than the cleric stay in BB and the dead person can ress and get the exp and help to finish to kill the mobs.

Also there's a LOT of stupid clerics, one time on my wizz I did die during the mobs pull in exp room and the cleric didn't revive me and they started the heads letting me dead and the cleric refused to revive me saying he needed to RB for the heads, if I had a mystic in that squad that didn't ress buff me I'll would have been more than **** off at that mystic and probably put him in KOS.

You never know what can happen, so do your job ress buff everyone and everyone will be happy and about the mana no worry in one lvl you can get the mass ress so for 4k mana everyone in the squad will be ress buff and save 95% exp if they die vs 90% for a lvl 10 revive.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

The Cleric skill is call revive not ress just saying.

@OP: We never know how people can react, I saw clerics rage quit squad after a squad wipe without reviving anyone, you could get lucky and find a other cleric as you could be unlucky and not find a other one.

Some people have bad DC sometime at the point to don't be able to log back or need to leave for a emergency.

You never know what could happen, but I saw often clerics rage quit squad letting people dead, it's not nice, but it happen and if you don't find a other cleric that mean people need to go back town with a big lost of exp cause you didn't done your job.

If your forum avatar is correct than you are lvl 94, so if you care that much about mana than get the mass ress as first skill from Morai (Luminance) when you gonna be lvl95 and you will be able to ress buff all the squad with one skill.

Also the AOE ress save 95% exp which is more than a cleric revive lvl10, so yes at that point people will prefer your ress over a revive (or if you are sage at lvl99 sage ress save 95% exp too).

Also in exp room during the mobs pull (or any mobs pull) usually the cleric is in BB and if someone die, the cleric have 2 choices: drop BB to try to revive the person and get everyone else kill while he do that or stay in BB and the dead person miss all the exp, but if the person had the ress buff than the cleric stay in BB and the dead person can ress and get the exp and help to finish to kill the mobs.

Also there's a LOT of stupid clerics, one time on my wizz I did die during the mobs pull in exp room and the cleric didn't revive me and they started the heads letting me dead and the cleric refused to revive me saying he needed to RB for the heads, if I had a mystic in that squad that didn't ress buff me I'll would have been more than **** off at that mystic and probably put him in KOS.

You never know what can happen, so do your job ress buff everyone and everyone will be happy and about the mana no worry in one lvl you can get the mass ress so for 4k mana everyone in the squad will be ress buff and save 95% exp if they die vs 90% for a lvl 10 revive.

:$ Aye i am aware of that but how many people actually call it 'rev' or revive? I have always heard people ask for res... am used to saying that, and wouldnt be too surprised if people did keep calling it 'res.'

Besides there's far more 'annoying' things that people shorten that could be corrected. (IE: The "HH" for TT. ijs )

*hides*

Aye your right about the 95% exp loss, but both of those skills come (as in learned) at 99 (sage ressurect skill) 100 (mass ress buff) from my experience most people stop caring about exp so much after 100, and even if he can afford that skill/has it at the ready at lvl 99... I can't see it being of too much use in death situations.

Besides a sage cleric with sage res there is no exp loss, and that skill can be gotten at lvl 89, allowing for a lot more opportunities of it being useful. (Again also assumes they either have the cash to get it, or have it waiting at/around lvl 89.)

EDIT: Also he or she did clarify it wasn't even at the big room, so yea imho it was a bit uncalled for on their part... for all we know he would have res buff the others he felt would need it at the big room.

Other than that I get the gist of what your saying, still if the cleric is res buffed, it shouldn't matter to the rest of the squad, they're less likely imho to rage quit and leave if they have a res buff on them. (Though again it so depends on who is playing the cleric)

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

:$ Aye i am aware of that but how many people actually call it 'rev' or revive? I have always heard people ask for res... am used to saying that, and wouldnt be too surprised if people did keep calling it 'res.'

Besides there's far more 'annoying' things that people shorten that could be corrected. (IE: The "HH" for TT. ijs )

Yup and one day a cleric of my faction was saying he was looking for demon ''ress'' than someone said he saw a shop with it in west and the did search for a while without finding it, but it was actually really demon ress in the shop, while the guy needed demon revive. XD

mrcharlytoo

I always ress buff everyone.

Yes, it's a pain, with the 30s cooldown. But during a run, it increases flexibility - if someone dies, the cleric doesn't have to stop healing others to revive the dead person.

StellaNova - Raging Tide

On my mystic I usual buff the cleric first for obvious reasons, but I do buff the rest of the squad too...
Like to have the oppertunity to res fast when i play my bm, so why not give other ppl the same thing, even if the the cooldown is long on the mystic res balls.

BungaSakura - Raging Tide

give res buff your squad mate is really important i think. 3 days ago i did bh sot, there were cleric and me, mystic as healer. at boss, a wiz died. cleric is on BB, good thing wiz have res buff so she can resurrect. after she res, i give her buff again. she die again, and i give her res again. and squad went smooth. boss dead and everyone get the kill. if i didn't give her res buff, cleric must drop her BB and revive the wiz. if she did that, squad might be wipe. so yeah it is important to give everyone in your squad res buff.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Generally I rez buff the cleric/s, then the rest of them team.

For one, my rez saves more xp than a cleric revive that isn't level 11. Also, it might save your squad if someone can get up immediately instead of needing to drop BB to get them back up. Or throw it at squishies that you know will die, saves time.

Yep, I guess I'm seeing this from a very practical endgame mood. b:chuckle

Surukuvio - Raging Tide

I always resurrect buff everyone. Several times in my squads cleric has died twice in some situations before I had time to res buff again but most of the squad could get up again and help us finis w/e killed us.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

LordPsycoII - Archosaur wrote: »

Hi everyone

I've come across something during a FC run and I want to know what my fellow Mystics feel about this.

Ok so here is the story :

I'm in a FC run with a Barbarian,Seeker,Blademaster,Cleric and me as a Mystic. So I buff the cleric and myself with my res buff thinking its sufficient for if something should go wrong in a FC 90-98, then the cleric can res them. After all that's what a cleric's job is. Healing,buffing and ressing. So we do a big pull (this is not in the EXP room) and the seeker runs far away from the cleric and forgets to use Crabs. The seeker dies and I rush in to place my plants and do what i can to save the situation but I was too late. So then the squad gets wiped yay. But the cleric has my res buff so its ok and she can come and res everyone else.

Now here is the interesting part : The seeker admitted that it was her fault the squad got wiped. Ok good and?. Then the squad turned to me and said I was a bad Mystic for not res buffing the whole squad. Then I tell them: ''but there is a cleric in the squad so she can come res'' but no suddenly they get all mad at me for not giving then their ''insta res''.

Now my questions are :

1. Have people really become that spoiled and lazy that they expect the Mystic to always buff the squad with the ress buff even though the cleric is perfectly capable of ressing?b:surrender

2. Am I missing something in the picture here?b:puzzled

3. Does this make me a bad Mystic?b:cry

4. What do you guys think of this?f:ponder

{Please do not rage and/or flame and/or troll and try to keep this a civilized thread. Thank you.}

If the cleric is in a position where they're unable to rez, can't drop BB, or can't timely rez everyone, why would you not want the party rez buffed? That's a scenario that happens pretty regularly.

Once you do things besides FF you'll understand the value of rez buff.

If I see a mystic in a FF or any squad say they'll only rez buff the cleric, they'll be kicked out for someone who isn't so stupidly stingy with their buffs.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I won't get angry on mystics who only ress buff Clerics but I personally prefer if the whole squad gets it because..**** happens, you never know.
The morai skill for mass ress solves that though and you'll be able to get into morai soon (albeit it will take a while to farm the skill).

LadyOya - Raging Tide

Surukuvio - Raging Tide wrote: »

I always resurrect buff everyone. Several times in my squads cleric has died twice in some situations before I had time to res buff again but most of the squad could get up again and help us finis w/e killed us.

This is what I do too. I res buff everyone but that is because I also have mass ress. When I did not have mass res I did them individually. I do mass res in the beginning and then as everyone's buff runs out I buff them individually (if my mass res buff is still on cd). Starting with cleric first (as see it I am there to DD and assist the cleric with healing. Part of this is keeping the cleric alive so that they can continue being the main healer in the squad and stepping in as main healer if cleric dies...until they res and are in a position to take over again).

Anyway yeah I do all and when the mass res runs out I then do individuals, priority is cleric first followed by tank and any squishies in the squad..and then everyone else.

Jaiden_/ - Sanctuary43

Sadly that's how the world works. Lack of understanding is most of the time the source hate.

If it was me. Depending on my mood I'll buff the entire squad even when people pm me saying i don't have to regardless if there's a cleric in squad or not just to prevent any finger pointing when something goes wrong. Other than that, in a squad with a cleric i buff the key players. Your case in Fcc I would buff cleric, seeker(most squad wipes happen during those big pulls), and yourself. So at least more people might survive and less rage. Just my opinion but what you did was fine in my book.

Algiz - Dreamweaver

generally, i'll give the squad a group up warning for mass rez, and if they're too lazy / don't want to listen, they don't get rez buffed. As for using my single target sage rez, i'll always rez a cleric, a tank, and my self and any other healers in the squad. As far as the full squad rezzing though, its a rare situation that i'll do it unless the situation calls for it.

Another time that I won't rez someone is if they are obnoxiously stupid with their risks. Example, I rez buff a squishy assassin so that the cleric can focus on bb if he splatters for drawing agro, well he runs in and takes on 5 groups of mobs solo, so he dies, I re rez, and he proceeds to do it again. At that point, he won't be wasting my mana anymore for his recklessness.

Beleni - Dreamweaver

Algiz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

generally, i'll give the squad a group up warning for mass rez, and if they're too lazy / don't want to listen, they don't get rez buffed. As for using my single target sage rez, i'll always rez a cleric, a tank, and my self and any other healers in the squad. As far as the full squad rezzing though, its a rare situation that i'll do it unless the situation calls for it.

Another time that I won't rez someone is if they are obnoxiously stupid with their risks. Example, I rez buff a squishy assassin so that the cleric can focus on bb if he splatters for drawing agro, well he runs in and takes on 5 groups of mobs solo, so he dies, I re rez, and he proceeds to do it again. At that point, he won't be wasting my mana anymore for his recklessness.

im just happy Algiz gives his balls to kitties

ShadeParadox - Raging Tide

A very simple answer to this is: no, you are not a bad mystic. People simply lack understanding. I think the majority of the player base doesn't understand a cleric res beats out a mystic res (of the same level) in terms of exp return. Because of that misunderstanding everyone expects the mystic to always cast res. If the person knew the cleric res is better they'd gladly wait on the cleric.

However, in zones where exp is not the goal, I would cast res buff on everyone because of time critical situations. It could be the difference between sq wipe or survival if a member who dies could instantly get back up without relying on the cleric res.
Time sensitive combat. That's the other side of the coin.

Algiz - Dreamweaver

Beleni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im just happy Algiz gives his balls to kitties

lol, who doesn't love my rez-balls? ;P

Alphaben - Raging Tide

I just throw res on everyone, if the clerics revive is stronger or the person who died doesn't like it then the cleric can override the buff

Any cleric who gets angry about it must be one of the people who thought mystics would replace clerics awhile back or must love wasting their scrolls b:shocked

ShadeParadox - Raging Tide

Alphaben - Raging Tide wrote: »

I just throw res on everyone, if the clerics revive is stronger or the person who died doesn't like it then the cleric can override the buff

Any cleric who gets angry about it must be one of the people who thought mystics would replace clerics awhile back or must love wasting their scrolls b:shocked

There's actually a problem with your logic. I've noticed an issue in the remade SoT and Aba zones. While in these zones, the cleric revive does not override the mystic resurrect. I have no idea why but when I watch my Exp to verify what level a cleric has, in those 2 zones I still loose a little exp even when I know for a fact the cleric that revived me has Lv 11. This combined with the fact that my HP/MP goes back to half tank when I get up. If the cleric revive was successful I should be sitting near empty when I get up.

With exception to SoT and Aba, yes, people can just wait for the cleric revive if they so incline.

I don't die much so I've only tested it a few times. b:chuckle Can I get a few more people to double check on this little bug please?

Shayd - Raging Tide

I Buff the cleric and usually tank so if he dies he can come back quickly. Others have to ask, but they prefer cleric to revive them (Extra 10% of EXP saved)

Also I'm against the myth that Mystic = Cleric, no and even if we focus on healing we can't attack and heal and Recharge at the same time, It's huge Mana drain and not everyone can afford charms,

Brillance - Raging Tide

StellaNova - Raging Tide wrote: »

On my mystic I usual buff the cleric first for obvious reasons, but I do buff the rest of the squad too...
Like to have the oppertunity to res fast when i play my bm, so why not give other ppl the same thing, even if the the cooldown is long on the mystic res balls.

That is optimal, but not mandatory. You are not a fail Mystic if you cant pull it off to everyone's liking yet, you are just a 'better' Mystic if you can.

If the best you are comfortable with mustering is yourself , and the cleric - then you did your job.

Reality is people die doing stupid annoying **** all the time, and its better Mystic PR if the Cleric does the admonishment for their stupidity. The Cleric has cemented its position as an essential squad member. The Mystic has not, its just one of several DDs to fill that last hanging spot with - or, to alt heal in a Cleric shortage.

There is surely no reason for a Mystic to make a Cleric feel insecure.

*ghost waves and passes on* b:bye

Alphaben - Raging Tide

ShadeParadox - Raging Tide wrote: »

There's actually a problem with your logic. I've noticed an issue in the remade SoT and Aba zones. While in these zones, the cleric revive does not override the mystic resurrect.

With exception to SoT and Aba, yes, people can just wait for the cleric revive if they so incline.

I don't die much so I've only tested it a few times. b:chuckle Can I get a few more people to double check on this little bug please?

It seems to glitch with sage clerics revive...Demon revive seems to work normal in sot/aba

I'm not sure why sage revive doesn't work properly in there