All orbs on sale except +10

Fryvorg - Sanctuary

Eh, you can definitely farm your stuff, you just need
- the will to achieve your aim
- average or above average luck
- an instance you can solo (at the best one that isn't popular) in a decent amount of time
- optional: 2x, to make the run more rewarding and thus, reduce the farming time as a whole

OR you have a pile of chars which you can do BH and/or Cube with. I know some people who funded their endgame gear in a short period of time just by doing that. That even isn't necessary, if you plan months forward, do that on one char and don't spend anything but the necessary pots/apoth (okay, and the occasional fash), like me b:avoid
Lastly, NW paid off vastly during the first weeks, and still is a nice income (dpending on the server). Of course, don't accept the cheapest deal you find when it comes to selling your stuff.

I didn't forget Black Friday, but the Christmas sale will last longer and it will definitely have an orb sale.

Desdi - Sanctuary

There was a thread someone started to prove to people that a new player has ways of making coin and working their way up to merchanting.

I can't find the thread right now unfortunately but it was about a person who started with a new character (a Venomancer in that case) and played 100% like a new player with no help from his main whatsoever. If you're careful and think things through, you can start a merchanting small things and eventually move onto bigger stuff. It also served as a sort of guide to new players.

Older players have it even easier since they should be more familiar with the game and various things. Also, to the person who talked about TM being too cheap... markets change all the time. You gotta take advantage of them if you can, when you can.

For example, Warsong badges used to be 2mil each. I did Warsong during those days and sold manufacturing service to people, 60mil per weapon. I sold two services one day and that was 120mil in a few minutes, after having farmed WS previously of course. I was just a R8 Venomancer, at the time people rarely took them to WS runs on my server so I had to prove people that I could do my job; eventually I found some people to farm it with regularly. Eventually people got into that and now badges cost 200k each, had to move on to the next big thing; Lunar etc.

I'm not saying it's easy. Of course it isn't, but it's not impossible either.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

enlil wrote: »

2 mill an hour. this is bs. Any farmer knows your just a troll now. double drop with a handfull of bots running around.. sure. But a normal player out grinding.. no **** way. I know. I have an army.

you are all full of it. this game is really expensive and not worth it really. Unless your like me and just like to make toons to a certain level and move on.

I call trolls on all you. troll. so enough with the I farmed it bs. yes in the old days when it just was happening.. maybe. but today. No, not likely. So keep up the lying all you want. It won't stop the fact that the only thing that will save this game is cheaper cost.

The game for anyone just starting out its a dead end.

Its to un american a game. We like to do **** solo a lot. We americans are not a needy bunch who need others. We are like the norn. Sure we can do it in a squad, we can do it in an army. But the true worth is can you do the whole thing solo.

Almost but it takes so much time to put all the toons together to do it. Cheaper woudl be better. Then more toons. More toons, more stuff, more money spent.


Gold is best, but iphone suck.

lol have fun all.. laterz scammers.

Wow..

Roxxannae - Sanctuary

Welp, that escalated quickly from the post I made some hours ago. Y'all caught me, I'm a troll and a liar. b:laugh

gyroki wrote: »

Ah, ic, you WANT to be poor irl b:laugh
Otherwise you would have worked on it, right?


OR not everything does work as easy as some people propagate.
The gold influx on every server is limited.
The rich folk can undercut the price for services and items easily.
Example? WG TM service is at 200k per run now. Hf finding enough lowbies. The teles you have to spent will kill your profit.


And @lmao at all those merchants which tell us that they are only 5mins online every day - but make billions of profit (OFC!) per month b:laughb:laughb:laugh. I know them all way too well.. our community isn't that big... I belong also to the main addicts and I KNOW that ALL of them, with zero exceptions, are at least online for 12h per day. Often up to 18h. Ofc they will never ever admit this, especially not in forum. I should create my own religion, so many people are willing to believe everything. Some are even that good in manipulation that they even believe and defend their own lies.

About me being poor irl, well, you gotta start from somewhere the rest shouldn't be of concern.

I never said anything about merching being easy. It sure wasn't when I started. I put in a lot of effort and monitored my shops constantly to get where I am. I'll admit (oh my!) that I spent several hours on the game for this reason. Nowadays my chars are mostly idle since I have things to do during the day now. Desdi above pretty much summed it up; the markets change all the time, but there is always another market that you can make money from.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Step 1: Make your beloved first toon lvl 100 dont care about equip yet, dreamchaser, then morai will get you there. Spend any coins you get on skills. If feel really weak in the 70-90 range, you could buy a TT set. Just make sure you buy it cheap and sell it with a profit when you are done with it.

Step 2: Wearing the free quest reward morai gear, start doin BH100+,cube and dayly morai. Sell your BH rewards and COGs/Pages for 2-3m per day. Save your coins and do lowest level merchanting (leathers, oils, crazy stone) with them. Make 100m in a month.

Step 3: Buy your G15 morai gear and refine/shard it with the money you made in step 2. Now start getting into FW squads. Sell everything you get out of FW for about 2m per run. Do 3 of these per day as well as your daylys from step 2 and mid-level merchant (tokens, pstones, mirages, lucky coins) with all the coins you got. This form of merchanting makes somewhere between 1 and 10m per day, depending on how actively you monitor your catchop and the budget you got available. Make 300m in a month mostly from farming still. Add a second month make 400-500 because now you have good merchanting capital.

Step 4: Power level a sin and get him a properly refined APS set from those 700-800m total. Now you can farm TT for 3m per hour Off 2x or 5m per hour during 2x. (more if you farm during 2x and sell off 2x) Of course when you are bored of TT and it is not 2x, you can still do FW for 2m per run and daylies on 2 toons. Make 500m per month and save them all up for merching.

Step 5: While making 500m per month from farming/daylies/FW to add to your merchanting capital, you are soon gonna enter top level merchanting (investment banker) This will increase your capital with 10-20% per month depending on your succes. As your budget grows, you can gradually move away from farming to spending more time on your merching efforts. In half a year you can make 5b from farming and merching combined.

Step 6: Dont spend the 5b you got. Spend only the 1b you gain per month from farming and merching combined. Spend them wisely, wait for sale buy R9 on sale, buy oceans on sale and buy endgame shards when you find them for the right price. Another half year later, you will be OP R9.3+10 and still have 5b merchanting budget.


I am working on step 5 now myself but i extended step 2 and got G16 instead of morai and instead of getting APS for my powerleveled sin, i use it myself and the sin is just there for buffing me

Point is, if everyone would be doing this, it would not work. We cant all be succesfull merchants because the money has to come from somewhere and if everyone was solo farming TT, the mats would be worth nothing at all. Fortunately i can safely post this knowing that most people fail at the "save money for merchanting" part. And then they fail at the "wait for sales" part. Thus making it possible for others to do what i write here Thank you.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

U Mad?

he dumb.

really, admitting using bots...and doesn't even know what to do with them to actually make money

Kniraven - Lost City

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Sorry, but that really is ignorance. When you cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. Just like in real life, some end up in the gutter begging for coins to teleport while others take the cow by the horns put in some effort and thinking and end up filthy rich.

I know people with full R9rr that are surely farmed and soon i will be one of them.

farming 2 milion per hour is peanuts and can be done by any half decent toon. Half decent meaning morai geared.

Dedicated farming toons can quite well expect to make 5m per hour in TT during 2x. OP ones can get like 10m per hour.

And then there is merchanting.

OP people make 10m an hour huh?
I don't disagree with you, that sounds about right.

Idk what gold prices are on your server but on LC they stay around 1.7-2.2m

Congratulations, you work for $5/hour
Significantly less than minimum wage almost anywhere.

When you work in real life,
You're trading your time for money.

When you farm, you're doing the same thing.
I'd rather work at my job at this point...

WannaBM - Archosaur

PC games have been around for 2-3 decades now. P2W win is a relatively new concept. Before that time however there was already ebay item trade. And all those old games before the P2W era had one thing in comon. Your time was worth about 0.50$ per hour. Maybe a whole dollar if you were really good at farming. Were you there before this era ?
You would not have played those games ?

I did play them. I played them because i like playing games. Games can be simply a way to have a good time. They can be a way to challenge yourself. To measure yourself against others. All kinds of things and i like them all. I have spend many 1000s of hours on many games, only because i want to reach the end and be able to say i did. Yes even though noone else cares

CSing is a new thing. An abomination in my opinion and the source of why many people QQ about this "dying'" and imbalanced game and whatnot. If you are going to look at it like you do, why play at all ? You may think it is strange to spend many hours playing a game while you could instead be working half the amount of hours, cash shop your r9 gear for 5000$, go to the NW/TW battle field and kick everyones *** and feel really good about your achievements. It is a perverted way of thinking that i cannot comprehend. It reminds me of a Donald Duck comic i once read were Uncle Scrooge and the other wealthy duck are trying to show off to eachother who has the balls to ditch the biggest amount of money in the sea.

I dont think i even want to go and explain you the fact that probably about 85% of the world population would be very happy if they could make 5$ an hour. Guestimating that europe and North America count for about 15%. But its not relevant anyway. The whole notion of P2W is perverted that is enough.

Instead of trying to convince the select audience on this forum. Please try to convince the people around you in real life that it is normal. As soon as you convinced even 5% of them, then come back to convince me.

Kniraven - Lost City

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

PC games have been around for 2-3 decades now. P2W win is a relatively new concept. Before that time however there was already ebay item trade. And all those old games before the P2W era had one thing in comon. Your time was worth about 0.50$ per hour. Maybe a whole dollar if you were really good at farming. Were you there before this era ?
You would not have played those games ?

I did play them. I played them because i like playing games. Games can be simply a way to have a good time. They can be a way to challenge yourself. To measure yourself against others. All kinds of things and i like them all. I have spend many 1000s of hours on many games, only because i want to reach the end and be able to say i did. Yes even though noone else cares

CSing is a new thing. An abomination in my opinion and the source of why many people QQ about this "dying'" and imbalanced game and whatnot. If you are going to look at it like you do, why play at all ? You may think it is strange to spend many hours playing a game while you could instead be working half the amount of hours, cash shop your r9 gear for 5000$, go to the NW/TW battle field and kick everyones *** and feel really good about your achievements. It is a perverted way of thinking that i cannot comprehend. It reminds me of a Donald Duck comic i once read were Uncle Scrooge and the other wealthy duck are trying to show off to eachother who has the balls to ditch the biggest amount of money in the sea.

I dont think i even want to go and explain you the fact that probably about 85% of the world population would be very happy if they could make 5$ an hour. Guestimating that europe and North America count for about 15%. But its not relevant anyway. The whole notion of P2W is perverted that is enough.

Instead of trying to convince the select audience on this forum. Please try to convince the people around you in real life that it is normal. As soon as you convinced even 5% of them, then come back to convince me.

I farmed full NV2nd from scratch back when NV instance was released. Took me months and I felt accomplished. I wasn't much of a cash shopper back then.

When I started this game I loved doing instances, i refused to let higher levels help in my FB. I didn't even want people to come if they had done it before. I still like new things, like the hidden dragon's den etc.

Above all though, I enjoy competitive PvP and TW. I've run every instance in this game and I have literally completed every single quest which it is possible to complete. I was 8x before BHs existed and I was 9x before hyper experience stones ever existed.

Frankly, it is ironic that you are lecturing me on not playing instances and enjoying the game when you're such a vocal advocate of hypers and oppose them or frost being level limited. It is very ironic.

As I said, I enjoy competitive PvP and TW above all else, and in order to be in the competition I need competitive gears. Maybe not the best possible shards/refines/rolls but I at least need gear that is competitive. Maybe you enjoy farming literally the same instance hundreds upon hundreds of times for the sole purpose of grinding coin bit by bit but thatis not enjoyable to me when I can "grind" the coin quicker by making better use of my time.

You are welcome, for funding and supporting the game that you play.