Having Second Thoughts - Help Needed!

Kinnacat - Lost City

Hello dear venos!

Some of you might remember me from this thread (http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1613341)
- OP explaining situation: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19614251&postcount=1,
- Second question: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19617761&postcount=7).

I would like to ask for your opinions and advice once more as I'm having second thoughts about my decision.

I'm strongly concidering dropping the BM project and simply sticking with my veno. I know I'm a veno at heart and I want a veno to be my main, I had simply chosen a BM for the practical side described in the thread I linked above. I actually ended up making a seeker and noticed that she did a lot better than the BM in NW, even at lower lvls, so she's now in some sorts my money maker. My bm is currenty lvl 92, my seeker is lvl 85 and my veno is lvl 76 (I kept her at this lvl for jolly quests).

After a long reflection, I came to ask myself if going through the trouble of making a BM, gearing him as a FC farmer, then lvling my veno and farming her gear would actually be worth it. Would it be? I could also simply farm the money I need for my veno's gear with my seeker in NW and do jollies with my veno until I have all the money for her gear... What do you guys think?

Regarding veno builds, I had originally chosen to go AA, though after comparing AA to HA with pw calc, I'm strongly enclined to go for HA. The following builds are basically gear that I could afford. My observations are based solely on these, as I don't think I could ever reach an elite set of gear.

My AA build: http://pwcalc.com/9b00eb2750599a6c
My HA build: http://pwcalc.com/5c9be7f66159a5ea

The only real advantage I found to the AA veno is the big difference in magic attack (her physical defense is almost heart-breaking... ). Though if I look at the HA veno's HP, magical and physical defense, I wouldn't really mind sacrificing that 5k magic attack. I also noticed that the HA veno's attack lvl is 21, whereas the AA veno's is only 1, so that balances out the loss of magic attack. I suppose the HA veno's weak point is the low MP, but does this really influence gameplay?

After reading this (http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1622131) thread and watching the vid, I have to admit I'm even more inclined to drop the bm. Would it be possible for me to do this with the builds I've linked above?

My last question is, every G16 veno I've seen has the pataka. I normally prefer the glaive because its attack is more stable, but am I missing something here?

Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to reading your replies!

~Kinna

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Pataka's for (magic) spike damage, but if you're going heavy and have any inclination to spend a lot of time in foxform, go for the magic sword... the average magic damage for all magic weapon classes is about the same, but for physical damage the magic sword is ruler of the roost.

Kinnacat - Lost City

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Pataka's for (magic) spike damage, but if you're going heavy and have any inclination to spend a lot of time in foxform, go for the magic sword... the average magic damage for all magic weapon classes is about the same, but for physical damage the magic sword is ruler of the roost.

Ah, alright. Thanks for the clarification!

Desdi - Sanctuary

Kinnacat - Lost City wrote: »

Regarding veno builds, I had originally chosen to go AA, though after comparing AA to HA with pw calc, I'm strongly enclined to go for HA. The following builds are basically gear that I could afford. My observations are based solely on these, as I don't think I could ever reach an elite set of gear.

My AA build: http://pwcalc.com/9b00eb2750599a6c
My HA build: http://pwcalc.com/5c9be7f66159a5ea

The only real advantage I found to the AA veno is the big difference in magic attack (her physical defense is almost heart-breaking... ). Though if I look at the HA veno's HP, magical and physical defense, I wouldn't really mind sacrificing that 5k magic attack. I also noticed that the HA veno's attack lvl is 21, whereas the AA veno's is only 1, so that balances out the loss of magic attack. I suppose the HA veno's weak point is the low MP, but does this really influence gameplay?

Are those refines via orbs or refine aids?
If it's via orbs I'm gonna say a big no no to you! Refine aids can get a +5 easily and it would allow you to get up to +7 too.
That would require you some extra effort, more event gold and saving up more mirages but it's do-able be and it really saves up a lot of coin.
I was scared to +7 at first too but I gave it a try and saw it's not as bad as I thought 100-150 event gold was usually enough to +7 a whole set of armor (and about 2k-3k mirages), not including ornaments.

G16 Weapons all have attack level +40 by default and let's say you're using o'malley (though for PvE you'll probably want Jones Blessing).
These would be your builds;
AA build
HA build

Personally I wouldn't use a Warsoul hat. Not so much chan to make it worth it unless you use a whole channeling set and not very good refines compared to Nirvana one.
This would place both at 76 attack levels.

AA build
HA build

If you'll dare to get all at +7 this is what you'd have.
AA build
HA build

If your AA build doesn't have good refines, you will indeed have pretty low HP and physical defence as a pure magic build.

I would like to tell you not to focus so much on maxing your physical defence though. Your current calculator has it at 89% damage reduction. That's 1% away from maximum damage reduction you can have. It doesn't go over 90%.
Numbers generally mean nothing once you reach a certain mark. The higher % you go, the more numbers you need to get more % so make sure to always check the %.

You also have Blazing Barrier, Bramble Hood and Bramble Guard to counter attack physical damage including Fossilized Curse (lvl100 skills are now easy to get so no reason not to have them) which will pretty much make you immune to physical damage for 15 seconds (due to the person/mob missing about..all the time, the chance to actually hit you is very low, non-existent for mobs, does NOT apply to casters that have physical damage skills).
When it comes to magic damage though, you can only rely on the damage reduction of Blazing Barrier/Bramble Hood but it doesn't reflect any damage back this is why I'd probably try to find more ways to up my magic defence.

Immunities don't count since they resist both type of damage.

Let's use magic rings instead.
HA build
Now, you'll say there's almost no difference besides a big jump in magic attack. That's mainly due to average refines and the fact that both rings offer both defences. It's mostly significant at +10 refines or higher grade rings (Sky Cover/Cloud Stir, NW recast version of them).

It would be ideal to have a set of physical rings and magical rings if you can afford it or one of each regardless though.
If you want to focus on fox form however, stick to physical rings I guess but otherwise you might wanna go for magic ones. Just throwing this suggestion out there.

I'd suggest trying to refine you ornaments higher. I know I seem to push magic defence a lot, in PvP mind you (you mentioned NW), but the game itself offered Venomancers a lot of ways to counter-attack incoming physical damage so all I'm trying to say is don't focus too much on the shiny numbers of your physical defence

This is one of the reasons HA loses out to R9r3 completely. A bit off topic I know. Point is that R9r3 and NW ornaments can place a pure magic build Venomancer at 89%/90% physical damage reduction which makes HA build's point kinda obsolete unless you like to play fox form oriented where you'll want more Str and crit etc.

EDIT: I forgot to mention Morai and Weekly Abaddon/Seat of Torment can get you better shards later on. Weeklies' shards cost 1.5mil to make if you have the patience to run the instances weekly and save up the emblems.


As for FCC, with that particular AA build you'd have to focus on pet-tanking so it would be slower. You can tank magic damage but I don't think you'd be able to survive the melee mob pulls especially as a Sage because I don't think Holy Path will be enough to keep your distance compared to a Demon's permanent speed.

As HA build you'll probably be able to do FCC my style.


Regarding G16 Weapons. Magic Sword is the best choice for HA builds indeed. Any fox form oriented build honestly. Pataka's not bad (highest physical attack on magic weapons) but I'd guess the slower attack rate would be a bad thing since fox form leans to a more DPS style of play than DPH.
I think most people choose the G16 Pataka for the looks honestly.

o_o heh wall of text

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

There is actually one more style to the rings too, and a way cheaper one as well.

http://pwcalc.com/413a3129858dceab

It gives both attack types, dun lose too much accuracy, gain small amount of m.def, small amount of extra HP c:

Desdi - Sanctuary

Oh yeah, for some reason I keep forgetting about those rings. Probably the weekly Aba/SoT rings are good too but I don't even remember how you get them.

Kinnacat - Lost City

Thank you very much for the detailed reply Desdi! I actually read your post 3 times. xD

I hadn't thought much about the refines but I was thinking of simply using mirages and event gold if I manage to get some. I've always tried avoiding dragon orbs because of their price. I've actually gotten a ring to +6 with 6 mirages and no aids once... Too bad it wasn't the actual piece I wanted refined. -_-

Ah right, I forgot about the +40 attack lvl on every weap. Interesting combination with the o'malley - I usually only use jones though. Since the HA veno would already have a lot of defense, I think I would stick with jones. For the AA I suppose o'malley would be best.

Of course I would try for higher refines than +5, but these builds were basically something I could afford shortly after hitting lvl 100. I was thinking I could eventually farm r9, but that's only if I have the actual patience for it. xD In that case I would of course go AA.

I wasn't trying to max my defense, I just wanted to see what a HA veno with G16 would look like. I was actually quite surprised to see that it reached 89%. Thanks for the info, I didn't know 90% was the maximum, to be honest I never really thought of it haha. It is quite logical though.

Does bramble hood and bramble guard actually work in PvP now? Last time I checked it didn't, but it would be a nice surprise if it did! I would like to build my veno to be good in PvP, hence why I was worried about the low physical defense of the AA. I have never been very good with skill combinations, I didn't know about the 15 seconds immunity. Thank you once again!

Quote: "This is one of the reasons HA loses out to R9r3 completely. A bit off topic I know. Point is that R9r3 and NW ornaments can place a pure magic build Venomancer at 89%/90% physical damage reduction which makes HA build's point kinda obsolete unless you like to play fox form oriented where you'll want more Str and crit etc."

This really caught my attention. o.o How could I get to 89% phys res? I would definitely choose to go AA if that's affordable. My veno on LC is a hybrid vit/mag with 2.6k phys res. Now that I think of it, I often surprised myself in PvP (before r9 came out though >.< ). I could resist to higher lvl sins and turn them into sushi... I guess lower phys res isn't that bad. HA has always poked at my curiosity, mostly because of the defense. One thing that slightly throws me off though is that it seems kinda complicated to build. I know I would have to restat a few times and if I accidently take off a piece of gear I'm screwed (at least with the build I tried making).

Quote: "I forgot to mention Morai and Weekly Abaddon/Seat of Torment can get you better shards later on. Weeklies' shards cost 1.5mil to make if you have the patience to run the instances weekly and save up the emblems."

Patience isn't one of my virtues, but I might end up doing that later on. xD

For FCC I would probably use my seeker for the halls and my nix to tank the bosses. I'd probably be too lazy to tank the bosses myself. xD Nix makes it easier hehe.

That's a very interesting vid. I have to say I'm impressed. People always said venos suck and are so useless. I've always been convinced they are far from that, and you've definitely made me even more certain of that! May I ask about the details of the gear you used for that run? I suppose you had very high refines. Also, are you pure AA?

Quote: "Regarding G16 Weapons. Magic Sword is the best choice for HA builds indeed. Any fox form oriented build honestly. Pataka's not bad (highest physical attack on magic weapons) but I'd guess the slower attack rate would be a bad thing since fox form leans to a more DPS style of play than DPH.
I think most people choose the G16 Pataka for the looks honestly."

Ah alright I see. xD I always liked the glaive, though I have to admit that the pataka -does- look pretty good. =o

Fewf, wall of text here too haha! Thanks again for your reply!

@ SmurfJegeren:

Wow I had completely forgotten about those rings. Thanks a lot for refreshing my memory! I think I'll get a pair of those for sure~

Untamed_pain - Archosaur

Everyone needs a veno in their lives ijs b:chuckle

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

Bramble and bramble hood dont work in regular PK. They do however work in instanced pvp, like nw and tw (a bit unsure bout the theatre). Blazing barrier works in PK, and reflecrs arrows as well as plume shot etc. Very handy.

However: Bramble, Blazing and hood now stack. Making the damage reducement even better, and the damage reflection a staggering 360-370% in nw and tw. Ive had a R9 barb hit itself for 9k on just normal attacks that way. So worth the note

Kinnacat - Lost City

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Bramble and bramble hood dont work in regular PK. They do however work in instanced pvp, like nw and tw (a bit unsure bout the theatre). Blazing barrier works in PK, and reflecrs arrows as well as plume shot etc. Very handy.

However: Bramble, Blazing and hood now stack. Making the damage reducement even better, and the damage reflection a staggering 360-370% in nw and tw. Ive had a R9 barb hit itself for 9k on just normal attacks that way. So worth the note

Oh. My. God. THAT IS AWESOME! Thanks for the great info, I was completely unaware of that! I still have some catching up to do after my 1 year break haha.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Kinnacat - Lost City wrote: »

Thank you very much for the detailed reply Desdi! I actually read your post 3 times. xD

I was worried I wrote too much b:chuckle

Ah right, I forgot about the +40 attack lvl on every weap. Interesting combination with the o'malley - I usually only use jones though. Since the HA veno would already have a lot of defense, I think I would stick with jones. For the AA I suppose o'malley would be best.

Personally I prefer to use both. O'malley in PvP, Jones in PvE. I usually have both at the same time though (stacking them in my mailbox) so I can swap between them whenever I want.

For example, sometimes I'll summon the pets with o'malley or I'll switch to o'malley if I'm pulling stuff then go to jones when I DD (and sometimes throw in some chan ornaments too when safe).

Before R9r3 I used to go around in o'malley and WOCC cape for debuffs and I'd switch to jones and G16 Nirvana cape when it was safe to nuke.

This really caught my attention. o.o How could I get to 89% phys res? I would definitely choose to go AA if that's affordable. My veno on LC is a hybrid vit/mag with 2.6k phys res. Now that I think of it, I often surprised myself in PvP (before r9 came out though >.< ). I could resist to higher lvl sins and turn them into sushi... I guess lower phys res isn't that bad. HA has always poked at my curiosity, mostly because of the defense. One thing that slightly throws me off though is that it seems kinda complicated to build. I know I would have to restat a few times and if I accidently take off a piece of gear I'm screwed (at least with the build I tried making).

Affordable..heh xD Here's an example. Basically +12 NW ornaments get you there or +10 and Vit Stones or something along the lines (too sleepy to play with all the possibilities).
That's not including maxing out the armor itself. That's very expensive though.

Here's my current build. Fully buffed with WOCC I reach 20k in fox form, 83% reduction (numbers might be a little off on the calc due to no meridian/title bonuses) because like I said earlier I switch around my capes (probably until I +10 Nirvana and stick to that, possibly get a sky cover mean while).

I'm not sure to be honest o_o defence/HP wise HA is better with average shards/refines so you might as well go that route until you decide if you want to go R9r3 route or further enhance your HA build, depending on what budget you have or how much you're willing to farm.

That's a very interesting vid. I have to say I'm impressed. People always said venos suck and are so useless. I've always been convinced they are far from that, and you've definitely made me even more certain of that! May I ask about the details of the gear you used for that run? I suppose you had very high refines. Also, are you pure AA?

It's basically my old gear that I have passed down to Cleric.
Armor is full G16 Nirvana AA +7 with morai exclusive garnets, cape and hat have morai exclusive citrines. Now, I have a +9 Nirvana hat with incomp but I also have a +7 one with morai citrines which my Cleric uses. It's a long story on how I ended up with two xD
G14 cube necklace +7 (which I sold recently) and warsong belt +6, regular lunar magic ring and...well I noticed I used my R9 ring there but I'd have used my R8 one which I had previously (or another lunar ring if I had two).

Cape Nirvana +7 or WOCC +7 both with citrines, swapping around.

My method was basically run like hell, AD, Nova+Gas and kill all. A slightly different method would be for Sage HA or w/e build you'll choose but since you have a seeker I don't think it even matters xD but I can still explain if you're curious.


Off to hide under my covers now!

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

I think that atm its the normal g16 gear that would be attainable, and bringing in R9rr with expensive ornies (just a plain g16 cube necky is somewhere around 500-600m) makes it a bit misleading to say many r9rr venos can attain 89% reduction. Not only are the pieces incredibly more expensive than g16, they also have ludacris amount of added p.def, on top of being the aa with the most p.def as is.

Most of the avereage aa venos I see, have around 75% protection buffed. So among the mortals, we still have the upperhand in p.def

Desdi - Sanctuary

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think that atm its the normal g16 gear that would be attainable, and bringing in R9rr with expensive ornies (just a plain g16 cube necky is somewhere around 500-600m) makes it a bit misleading to say many r9rr venos can attain 89% reduction. Not only are the pieces incredibly more expensive than g16, they also have ludacris amount of added p.def, on top of being the aa with the most p.def as is.

Most of the avereage aa venos I see, have around 75% protection buffed. So among the mortals, we still have the upperhand in p.def

I already gave examples of what I meant and I was talking about really expensive builds though with a little effort an AA should be able to reach at least 80-85% physical damage reduction. I didn't play around with all the possibilities.

Either way that's why I suggested to go with HA for now since she's unsure on what kind of money/budget she's going to have (plus Seeker alt too) and there's always the option to restat if she changes her mind.

Kinnacat - Lost City

@ Desdi:

Hmm... o.o I think swaping blessings around would be too much for my little brain hehe, but I'll keep that in mind for sure.

*falls off chair with checking your example* o,.,o Oh. I guess I would really have to go HA to have the defense I'd like. I have thought of going r9, but that is really really expensive and is surely a long-term project. I wouldn't want to buy it, I would definitely farm it.

Quote: "I'm not sure to be honest o_o defence/HP wise HA is better with average shards/refines so you might as well go that route until you decide if you want to go R9r3 route or further enhance your HA build, depending on what budget you have or how much you're willing to farm."

I've thought of that tough that would probably be pretty expensive. I don't really mind not being a total elitist, so I guess HA would be a good choice for me for now. I can deal with the restating, the only thing was that AA would have significantly more magic attack. But if I die before I actually get to use that OP magic attack, it's kinda useless to have that much more, I guess. I'm a very lazy kitty, so using all those skill combos is meh for me. I have tried to use them in the past but I would just end up dying before I could even blink (after all the OP gear came out). >.<

Alright, thanks for the details on your gear and the method you used. For FC, as you said, I have a seeker that could clear the hallways, so the veno would really be used to kill the bosses. I actually tried that with my veno on LC and it went really smoothly. I cleared the halls with nix, so it took me about 20 minutes from the start to the death of the first boss, which isn't bad concidering the fact that she has poorly refined G15 and "crappy" ornaments haha.

~

One thing I was wondering about too was how my evolved pets would turn out if I was AA vs HA. I'll check out your guide on that and see, I haven't checked in a while so Idr if you had a section on that.

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@ SmurfJegeren:

*wallet runs away at the sight of 500-600m* o,.,o;

I see, 75% buffed is already very good. I just don't have the money to get to that number if I were to go AA. With the +5 G14 ornaments I reach 41% unbuffed, which brings me to 60% fully buffed and to 70% fully buffed and in fox form. The thing with AA is that this 70% in fox form wouldn't be very useful since I wouldn't use that form. Also, I'm looking at the defenses without buffs because in NW I'm mostly stuck going alone, so buffs aren't really an option for me. =[

"So among the mortals, we still have the upperhand in p.def "

Lol I loved that sentence for some reason. xD

~

EDIT: Wow. Epic fail. I just noticed that the HA build I linked in my opening post has buffs. -facepalm- So this now means that the HA has 6k less magical attack than the AA. The AA has 10% more magic def than the HA, and the HA has 31% more phys def than the AA. HP would be 6.5k vs 9.7k. Damn this is such a hard decision. Another thing with the HA is that if I remove anything, I'm screwed cause I won't have the stats to put that piece of gear back. >.<

Desdi - Sanctuary

Kinnacat - Lost City wrote: »

@ Desdi:

Hmm... o.o I think swaping blessings around would be too much for my little brain hehe, but I'll keep that in mind for sure.

*falls off chair with checking your example* o,.,o Oh. I guess I would really have to go HA to have the defense I'd like. I have thought of going r9, but that is really really expensive and is surely a long-term project. I wouldn't want to buy it, I would definitely farm it.

To be fair, it's not as expensive as it was once and I honestly didn't believe I'll get my hands on it but..hey it happened xD it involved a lot of farming though and of course some help from my game husband who was kinda enough to help me farm for it.

Seeing as you have a Seeker it'd make more sense to invest in one set of armor at first and there's always the possibility of getting a Warsoul weapon if you decide to stick to HA and discharge the R9 route, although I personally prefer the R9r3 for Purify. The number of Warsoul weapon wielders in increasing on my server. Again, just throwing ideas around xD

*wallet runs away at the sight of 500-600m* o,.,o;

There's always the option to farm the cogs yourself, which is what I did. Generally though the difference in defence among G14, G15 and G16 is not too big unless we start nitpicking or consider +12 refines. One of the reasons for me was the nitpicking but also the higher attk/def level that add up.

You should be fine with a +7 G14 for the start and maybe work to +10 it eventually or maybe you find a good deal for a +10 one from the start.

A lot of people are farming higher grade cube necklaces nowadays while trying to sell off their old ones.


As for buffs, if you do the weekly Aba/SoT you can get spirit of defence which is like pocket buffs xD though as far as I remember NW give some buffs when you die? I haven't been there in ages.

Anyhow! See how the HA build goes for you.

After having tried all builds and cultis, I guess it's kinda ironic but Sage HA is probably what build suits me most lol. I've always played my AA like HA (being in the front lines, not hiding behind pets, not afraid to pull or try to tank, being reckless) and I've always played my Demon like Sage (focusing on support a lot, both cultivations are great at support but a Sage is a wee bit more support-focused and Demon a wee bit more offensive/DD I suppose). That's probably what makes it most fun for me though b:chuckle

Kinnacat - Lost City

Yeah, I've seen a lot of venos with r9 now. I know it's possible to farm it but Idk if it would be possible for me. b:surrender

I played around with the calc a bit and noticed that the difference in % is really small, even at +12. So for the money they cost I think I'll simply stick with G14 hehe.

Quote: "As for buffs, if you do the weekly Aba/SoT you can get spirit of defence which is like pocket buffs xD though as far as I remember NW give some buffs when you die? I haven't been there in ages."

I've actually never done the weekly quest, but I'll look into it once I reach 100.
Yes, NW does give you a few buffs when you die, except when you get kicked out from a map.

Quote: "I've always played my AA like HA (being in the front lines, not hiding behind pets, not afraid to pull or try to tank, being reckless)"

Haha I've always been like that too! The funniest part is that even with my low 33% phys res, I've always been the one to survive squad wipes, or at least be the last one standing. b:laugh

I took my AA calc build and experimented with 51 stat points. I removed them from magic, the result being the loss of about 1k magic attack, then put them first in vit, then in strength.

- With vit jumping from 5 to 56, I gained 1% phys def and 600 HP.
- With str jumping from 54 to 105, I gained only 1% phys def.

I was curious to see how much phys def would be gained if I tried a strange hybrid str/mag build. Obviously vit/mag like my old veno is a better idea. xD Now the question is, what's better, 600 HP or 1k magic attack?

I gave HA some more thought and I think I won't go for it. I would really love all that extra def and HP, but like you said, the game has given venos a lot of ways to counter phys attack. Knowing myself, I'd be the type to accidently unequip something and be stuck restating to put it back on. I guess I would need a HA veno teacher to build a HA veno correctly. It would be very costly for me to restat over and over just to even get to equip the gear in the first place. Maybe I should place that money in refining an AA veno's gear and ornaments to get the phys def?

Gah it's a good thing my veno is only lvl 78. This is a real brain twister. b:cry

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

I was LA to lvl 74, then restated to HA and never looked back. Yes we got alot of ways to counter the physical damage, but unless you go high end AA you are likely to get killed by someone spike damaging thru that protection anyways. I can give example of a r9rr barb coming in with IG to arma. The g16/other AA around me went poof. I got hit for 4k (had a phy charm in use as well).

Then again, I guess Im a preacher of HA caster :P

Desdi - Sanctuary

Kinnacat - Lost City wrote: »

I gave HA some more thought and I think I won't go for it. I would really love all that extra def and HP, but like you said, the game has given venos a lot of ways to counter phys attack. Knowing myself, I'd be the type to accidently unequip something and be stuck restating to put it back on. I guess I would need a HA veno teacher to build a HA veno correctly. It would be very costly for me to restat over and over just to even get to equip the gear in the first place. Maybe I should place that money in refining an AA veno's gear and ornaments to get the phys def?

Gah it's a good thing my veno is only lvl 78. This is a real brain twister. b:cry

This is why I love discussing Venomancers though b:chuckle brain twister indeed but there are so many different possibilities!

You could try to opt for something like this. I put perfects due to lack of morai shards. This is something similar to my old build/gear which I also used in that FCC video. I added some ring engraving but I excluded necklace engrave and adds from meridian/titles. This is with my WOCC or a cheaper alternative or this. Eventually +10ing your ornaments.

Kinnacat - Lost City

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is why I love discussing Venomancers though b:chuckle brain twister indeed but there are so many different possibilities!

You could try to opt for something like this. I put perfects due to lack of morai shards. This is something similar to my old build/gear which I also used in that FCC video. I added some ring engraving but I excluded necklace engrave and adds from meridian/titles. This is with my WOCC or a cheaper alternative or this. Eventually +10ing your ornaments.

Yeah... I love the puzzle because it gives me something to do, but on the other hand I hate it because it's so hard to choose. >.<

I like the first example you listed there. If I go pure AA I would definitely try something like that. Right now I'm basically looking for a good build for her as soon as she hits 100. Thanks for the reminder on the capes, I had totally forgotten about those!

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

http://pwcalc.com/a38d91b9f69e8493

Less tanky AA option with alot more damage, you lose about 200HP or so, but gain mag atk and 20 atk levels. At higher refine, the cape also beats the WoCC in just refine HP(the stats on the WoCC still makes it about 80HP short at +10). This is still a cheaper cape tho, and gives you the juicy complect bonus.

There are actually plenty of ways of getting HA now, and less need for restat than you might think. I can actually restat my veno a bit, then wear lvl 100 LA, HA and AA cause of all the ways to add stats now. But for cleaness, Ill show some HA builds too

Very budget G16 build:

http://pwcalc.com/89d5e13db91382f3

Slightly improved G16:

http://pwcalc.com/63c9750dcd2f5503

R9 G16 mix:

http://pwcalc.com/8a665142cb61046f

Insane mix build for immortality:

http://pwcalc.com/34002fcb56a953e1 (with O'Malleys you reach well over 100 def levels :P)

I just wanna point out that I didnt actually have to change the stats for any of these gears, and there are room to change them a bit how you want them. For R9 I simply added the 5 stats one more level gives into dex, and it could keep going. Theres also no necklace engraving, wich significantly increase how easy it is to go heavy, and in the three sane builds, I have used "normal" engravings wich you can beat with the emblem engraving. First build is based on a cheap ring n two quest rewards. And I have had both of them laying around(ended up giving away the necklace to a fellow HA veno) so they are attainable 3:

Desdi - Sanctuary

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/a38d91b9f69e8493

Less tanky AA option with alot more damage, you lose about 200HP or so, but gain mag atk and 20 atk levels. At higher refine, the cape also beats the WoCC in just refine HP(the stats on the WoCC still makes it about 80HP short at +10). This is still a cheaper cape tho, and gives you the juicy complect bonus.

That's like the same as the first link I posted o.o unless I'm missing something xD

The Nirvana cape does indeed surpass the HP later on and getting a WOCC is probably just lost money afterwards. I had the WOCC from way back so I get to swap around, I'd probably grab a cheap 4 socket and well refined Cape of Elite to swap for physical defence at first (those are very cheap nowadays) until you can get more refines.

I was planning to +10 the Nirvana and eventually stick with that though I'll probably still use the WOCC for the extra speed when running around b:chuckle

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

Oops, was mainly looking at the three build you had in last post. I mustve slipped on this one. I wrote it at 4-5 in the morning so shame on me b:surrender

Desdi - Sanctuary

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oops, was mainly looking at the three build you had in last post. I mustve slipped on this one. I wrote it at 4-5 in the morning so shame on me b:surrender

I know that feeling b:chuckle

Kinnacat - Lost City

Thanks for the extra input guys!

After doing NW with my lvl 78 pure AA veno yesterday, I think I'll stick to AA. She resisted unbelievably well to G16 peeps and actually hit (debuffed, mwahahahaaa!!!) seekers and barbs for a steady 1.3-2.1k. She also did the same amount of dmg on other buffed classes like sins or other AA who seemed to be decently geared. I could tell by their weaps that they were all G16 or rank. There was one case though with a lowbie sin. He killed my little cat, so I turned him into sushi 10 seconds later. b:laugh

Another interesting note:

I would always go to NW with a friend. He has a lvl 83 seeker and mine is 86. We would stick together and do the same maps. Somehow, after each NW we did, he always had at least 1k more contribution than me, even if I was fighting as much as I could. When I went with him yesterday with my veno, I finished with 4.5k contri and he had 4.6k. Strange huh? Venos ftw!

Desdi - Sanctuary

Thanks good to hear! Have fun with whichever path you decide to go f:cute

Kinnacat - Lost City

Oh I will thank you! f:grin

I actually bought a nix yesterday to finalize my decision, but oh lord the pain of lvling him to 79... f:cry

Hurray for the non magic resistant one-shottable [?] ground mobs in the earthguard zone. f:victory