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Miugre - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I know this might seem strange to the almighty one but I don't always follow every single post made in a topic I post in. The egocentricity espoused here though that your posts are the ones that must be recognized (when I've responded to, as far as I know, most of your nonsense) is hardly surprising given you think you have these magic bullet solutions to fixing a game, yet somehow aren't running one. How surprising is that?! b:chuckle

There isn't much to address that isn't personal attack and fluff, you demand evidence that most people are powerleveled, yet all it takes is a stroll to snowy or even a read through this topic from your fellow nostalgia comrades complaining about most players being at snowy or in FF.. it's clear to me you see this game in a highly subjective manner and have a distinct inability to adapt, which is why I now remember you from before I took 2 years off, you were complaining incessantly then about the past too. How did that work out for you?

Well goodness, I suppose if you don't have a perfect record of success, you should never speak up about anything... is that it? Is that how logic works in JanusLand?

To what extent I achieve success is my business alone, although I will say that a large portion of what I do extends beyond the forums. In the end I, like many others, complain because I love. You, by all appearances, just troll out of apathy.

Glad you finally replied to one of my points (though it's funny how you complain about "fluff" when the boldfaced bit is the only actual argument you make in this entire post). Sure, I visit snowy on occasion like everyone else. There's, what - twenty, thirty people there at any given time on HT? Over half of which are shops, buff alts, or legitimate 75+ FF runners. But even if they were all powerlevelers... compare that to the hundreds online daily. All the endgame folks who got there legitimately. Entire factions full of them (and yes, I know several such factions). I don't speak for others here, but I've never said "everyone's in snowy." At least not yet. If it gets to be that way, in the future, it's because your beloved vets who are apparently so enthralled by the new content will die off over time, and there will be no newbies to replace them because there's no one for the newbies to quest with.

No response on your "accomplished nothing" drivel. No response on the fallacy of assuming that vets playing new content has any impact on the life of the game. No response on your laughable mention of bugs. Oh but wait, you just missed a post or two, right? It can happen to anybody.

Now, see, I'd actually believe that if you were missing everybody's posts... but you seem to have no trouble skillfully avoiding everyone who has an actual point in favor of selectively replying to a few people with "lol nostalgia." Then when I, or WickedBrew or somebody else challenges you on that **** of an argument, suddenly it's "I don't follow everybody?" Oh wait, vanflyheight mentioned your nostalgia argument too. What did you reply to him with? Oh, right...... your nostalgia argument. Again. >_>

The final irony in this post is, now you complain to me about making personal attacks, when running around indiscriminately yelling "UR NOSTALGIC" is nothing but a personal attack against pretty much everyone in the thread.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well goodness, I suppose if you don't have a perfect record of success, you should never speak up about anything... is that it? Is that how logic works in JanusLand?

To what extent I achieve success is my business alone, although I will say that a large portion of what I do extends beyond the forums. In the end I, like many others, complain because I love. You, by all appearances, just troll out of apathy.

Glad you finally replied to one of my points (though it's funny how you complain about "fluff" when the boldfaced bit is the only actual argument you make in this entire post). Sure, I visit snowy on occasion like everyone else. There's, what - twenty, thirty people there at any given time on HT? Over half of which are shops, buff alts, or legitimate 75+ FF runners. But even if they were all powerlevelers... compare that to the hundreds online daily. All the endgame folks who got there legitimately. Entire factions full of them (and yes, I know several such factions). I don't speak for others here, but I've never said "everyone's in snowy." At least not yet. If it gets to be that way, in the future, it's because your beloved vets who are apparently so enthralled by the new content will die off over time, and there will be no newbies to replace them because there's no one for the newbies to quest with.

No response on your "accomplished nothing" drivel. No response on the fallacy of assuming that vets playing new content has any impact on the life of the game. No response on your laughable mention of bugs. Oh but wait, you just missed a post or two, right? It can happen to anybody.

Now, see, I'd actually believe that if you were missing everybody's posts... but you seem to have no trouble skillfully avoiding everyone who has an actual point in favor of selectively replying to a few people with "lol nostalgia." Then when I, or WickedBrew or somebody else challenges you on that **** of an argument, suddenly it's "I don't follow everybody?" Oh wait, vanflyheight mentioned your nostalgia argument too. What did you reply to him with? Oh, right...... your nostalgia argument. Again. >_>

The final irony in this post is, now you complain to me about making personal attacks, when running around indiscriminately yelling "UR NOSTALGIC" is nothing but a personal attack against pretty much everyone in the thread.

This forum is rife with nostalgia ("i remember when gold was 50k"), merely because it's used frequently means what? Are you afraid of this term? Is it a negative connotation to you?

Questing for the vast majority of the population (who are veterans, and who powerleveled, if not their main toons, at least their 1-7+ alts) is a thing of the past, best saved for new content.. that's how it works in 2013. Trying to force people to go back into the past to do things the way you liked before is in essence mandating nostalgia. I don't know how to put it in more simple terms than what others who have refused your posts, including myself, have stated -- people want to powerlevel their toons in FF. And even for those who don't, those quests are available, and according to several of those responding to my posts, evidently you can quest "almost just as fast", so what's the effing point? It's simply to cater to those who want to force others to play the way they like.. yeah that's going to work out great.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ok let me see if I can help you understand this isn't a thread about nostalgia, or PWI 08/09...

PWI 08/09 quests were slow. 50 of this, 60 of that, little reward, and months and months to level to 75. Boring, but world was populated.

Now our argument...PWI quests are much easier. Kill 10 of this, 20 of that, increased xp and spirit at completion. Also there are numerous purple quests that reap nice rewards in xp, and spirit, some nice items, etc. All of which are not being utilized by the playerbase. BHs below 89 few squads made, and most of the time with a hand holding BORED high level doing it all with lemming in tow. However if you tried the new quests you would see that to level 75 even with little time to play, less than a month. Some could even do it in a matter of days.

Honestly, to me even that is too fast, BUT, I would rather see the world utilized with people both new that see a world with people that decide to stay, and old that see even without FC before 75, is still a cake walk. Rather than new people seeing an empty world and learning FC is really the only viable option, and leaving because of it. If I was a new player, and it was all about buying FC then endgame, hell no. I might as well not play a game focused on such a small amount of the content.

Level 75+ hyper FC all you want. The instance was designed for 75+. Below 75, utilize the world.

Your argument is.. don't powerlevel in FF, do quests and level "almost as fast!".. which effectively is a terrible assertion because people want to powerlevel in FF.

What I get here is most of the main posters in topics like this (this is just one of many topics which get posts mainly from the same people) who are most vocal have a personal grudge against this instance, target things like FF for as your demon du jour, and attempt to institute changes based on those biases. In reality, as in, objectively, you are in an extreme minority, based on how others play. This topic reads more like a dream scenario where you make your own MMORPG and have both the game and the players the way you want it. That may be how it works in your own head, but that's not how it works here. There are things the developers can do (as in, what they find worth their time and what the company decides is important to develop), things the developers and publishing side will cater to, they have decided since I can remember that FF is open for people under 75 to enter, and barring a very short change which was undone and never returned (actions show real intent, not words), hyper is clearly intended to be in FF as well. Many players, like myself, and surely they outnumber the QQers in this thread by a substantial margin, already leveled toons the old fashioned quest/zhen/FF/rebirth way (I leveled 3 of them to 90+ before hypers ever came out, one to 100), we like other options too..

If it gets changed, it gets changed, who gives a ****, OTOH, if it doesn't.. who gives a ****? Play the way you like, telling others how to play is stupid. The state of the game is what it is, a logical person will deal with the cards in front of them, instead of whine about the same thing others have for years, fruitlessly.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This forum is rife with nostalgia ("i remember when gold was 50k"), merely because it's used frequently means what? Are you afraid of this term? Is it a negative connotation to you?

...that's pathetic. You fling that word around like a cheeky ten-year-old flicking a pack of rubber bands at everyone in the room, and when you're called on it, your defense is "oooooh, someone's taking it personally"? Grow the hell up. The fact that you're using it ad nauseum means nothing save for the fact that you have no valid arguments whatsoever, and are clearly just here to troll everyone. I thought you were smart enough that I wouldn't have to spell that out for you. Serves me right for assuming, I guess.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Questing for the vast majority of the population (who are veterans, and who powerleveled, if not their main toons, at least their 1-7+ alts) is a thing of the past, best saved for new content.. that's how it works in 2013. Trying to force people to go back into the past to do things the way you liked before is in essence mandating nostalgia. I don't know how to put it in more simple terms than what others who have refused your posts, including myself, have stated -- people want to powerlevel their toons in FF. And even for those who don't, those quests are available, and according to several of those responding to my posts, evidently you can quest "almost just as fast", so what's the effing point? It's simply to cater to those who want to force others to play the way they like.. yeah that's going to work out great.

Well here we are, then. Once we get past your favorite buzzword, we see that you've just been using it as a fancy label on same argument that was done to death three threads ago.

I'm not gonna indulge the quasi-libertarian argument again. I'm going to point you back - what, 10 pages ago? - to when WannaBM was saying all that same ****. Even if I were to agree with you that people should have the right to powerlevel, we don't have the luxury of indulging you anymore.

Your method assures the game's death. Ours does not. The course is therefore clear. I don't know how much simpler you want it to be.

Oh wait, you think the game is unsaveable, don't you? Or did you conveniently forget that you ever took that position?

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...that's pathetic. You fling that word around like a cheeky ten-year-old flicking a pack of rubber bands at everyone in the room, and when you're called on it, your defense is "oooooh, someone's taking it personally"? Grow the hell up. The fact that you're using it ad nauseum means nothing save for the fact that you have no valid arguments whatsoever, and are clearly just here to troll everyone. I thought you were smart enough that I wouldn't have to spell that out for you. Serves me right for assuming, I guess.


Well here we are, then. Once we get past your favorite buzzword, we see that you've just been using it as a fancy label on same argument that was done to death three threads ago.

I'm not gonna indulge the quasi-libertarian argument again. I'm going to point you back - what, 10 pages ago? - to when WannaBM was saying all that same ****. Even if I were to agree with you that people should have the right to powerlevel, we don't have the luxury of indulging you anymore.

Your method assures the game's death. Ours does not. The course is therefore clear. I don't know how much simpler you want it to be.

Oh wait, you think the game is unsaveable, don't you? Or did you conveniently forget that you ever took that position?

That you believe changing powerleveling from FF to questing somehow saves the game effectively shows how ridiculously stupid this save the game notion is. I've seen plenty of ideas and this one is just about the worst of them. Nothing should be changed with FF, nor with hypers, this has nothing to do with what is wrong with the game. This pretend-PW-savior act is, while entertaining in some fashion, highly misguided. Doing nothing (aka leaving this alone) is far better an idea than trying to play video game nanny when clearly you haven't a clue.

And for a guy who tries to separate himself from nostalgia and this typical forum mentality surrounding it, you should first separate yourself from your own siggy:

Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]

Terrible way of hiding it.

Haters gonna hate indeed. Leave hyper FF players alone.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That you believe changing powerleveling from FF to questing somehow saves the game effectively shows how ridiculously stupid this save the game notion is. I've seen plenty of ideas and this one is just about the worst of them. Nothing should be changed with FF, nor with hypers, this has nothing to do with what is wrong with the game. This pretend-PW-savior act is, while entertaining in some fashion, highly misguided. Doing nothing (aka leaving this alone) is far better an idea than trying to play video game nanny when clearly you haven't a clue.

So in JanusLand, the concept that a large portion of the community, working in concert, is going out of their way to arbitrarily control another (yes, smaller) portion of the community... is more believable than the idea that we actually want to save the game?

Way to flaunt your pre-conceived bias. Now put it away before you hurt someone.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And for a guy who tries to separate himself from nostalgia and this typical forum mentality surrounding it, you should first separate yourself from your own siggy:

Terrible way of hiding it.

Haters gonna hate indeed. Leave hyper FF players alone.

Because everything anyone writes in a signature should be taken so literally. Of course. -_-

Everyone dislikes something. The phrase is meant to be tounge-in-cheek. And if you insist on making more of these sad personal attacks, then send them to my PM inbox. This is not the place for it.

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This forum is rife with nostalgia ("i remember when gold was 50k"), merely because it's used frequently means what? Are you afraid of this term? Is it a negative connotation to you?

Forum is rife with nostalgia? Like hello, has your brain been sloshed around too much in a slushie making blender? (you remember when gold was 50k? big whoop, i remember when it was 200k) now let me answer those questions properly.

1. Are we afraid of the term? Nope

2. Is it a negative connotation? Nope wrong again

sounds like your just making up these ridiculous arguments out of thin air and all that is left is the stratosphere.

Questing for the vast majority of the population (who are veterans, and who powerleveled, if not their main toons, at least their 1-7+ alts) is a thing of the past, best saved for new content.. that's how it works in 2013. Trying to force people to go back into the past to do things the way you liked before is in essence mandating nostalgia. I don't know how to put it in more simple terms than what others who have refused your posts, including myself, have stated -- people want to powerlevel their toons in FF. And even for those who don't, those quests are available, and according to several of those responding to my posts, evidently you can quest "almost just as fast", so what's the effing point? It's simply to cater to those who want to force others to play the way they like.. yeah that's going to work out great.

Um news flash for ya smart guy who turned idiot here. Not all veterans of pw powerlvled their 1-7 or even 10-20 alts. Not to mention its not entirely a "thing" of the past which is only saved by better and newer content. Plvling has been going on for over 2 yrs since bout between raging tide and genesis expansions. (or shortly their after) Sounds like the one here with the nostalgia is you Doc or did you compete too much while you were in high school sports that ya had to retake a shot in basketball, another shot at hitting the game winning home run, or the last 5 second touchdown (or field goal) just to see if ya could recreate the same situation and make a different decision based off of it? Speaking of forcing people, i think you've been doing that for the last 3-5 pages worth trying to convince the rest of us that keeping the plvling in frost is going to keep the game running when it'll only shorten its lifespan alot quicker. Speaking of simple terms, how does the term "busted" sound to you huh, or does the coin phrase of determined to keep your stupidity file out on the table ready to be shredded really stir ya?

There are quests to do yes, but 90-98% of it is a total wasteland of nothing more than the mobs standing around in their environment. Players who want to do FC hyper are only doing it cause its the pwi norm these days while those that sell these runs to make a profit like a greedy mastermind behind a corporate scam. So the point that is being made plain and simple is this. Questing in the open map has the same lvling speed as someone who started plvling in frost from lvl 1. The only reason why frost hypering still continues to exist is like venus has said multiple times on this thread, is cause frost hypering is more sensible and appealing to your standard veteran players lvling up alts or 1 out of maybe 100 new players will do. (assuming there are any new players to begin with)

This is not bout catering to anyone by forcing players to play the way we liked and how we were used to in the beginning times of this game. This is bout saving the game from itself from creeps like you who do nothing but do the name calling tactic which is the oldest trick in the book and alot of ppl know it.

Your argument is.. don't powerlevel in FF, do quests and level "almost as fast!".. which effectively is a terrible assertion because people want to powerlevel in FF.

What I get here is most of the main posters in topics like this (this is just one of many topics which get posts mainly from the same people) who are most vocal have a personal grudge against this instance, target things like FF for as your demon du jour, and attempt to institute changes based on those biases. In reality, as in, objectively, you are in an extreme minority, based on how others play. This topic reads more like a dream scenario where you make your own MMORPG and have both the game and the players the way you want it. That may be how it works in your own head, but that's not how it works here. There are things the developers can do (as in, what they find worth their time and what the company decides is important to develop), things the developers and publishing side will cater to, they have decided since I can remember that FF is open for people under 75 to enter, and barring a very short change which was undone and never returned (actions show real intent, not words), hyper is clearly intended to be in FF as well. Many players, like myself, and surely they outnumber the QQers in this thread by a substantial margin, already leveled toons the old fashioned quest/zhen/FF/rebirth way (I leveled 3 of them to 90+ before hypers ever came out, one to 100), we like other options too..


Somehow i think your argument is only this: "come join us in FF where you'll have fun, know bout your class, run with ppl in squads, make friends, (Oh and this one) come and be bored once ya reach the end of the line." Talking bout a grudge here? almost seems like you have this huge grudge against ppl like Sylan, Venus, Miugre and ofc yours truly. So all your doing is making these arguments into personal attacks just so we'll get tired of your yelling, flaming and name calling just so we'll go away and pw is still kept on its last leg before the big kaboom. If you want to institute change to pw, then i'll say this to ya. "Go back under the rock from which your crawled out from under." The part bout instituting change to pw cant be dealt with in one swift blow, there are times and places when change can only be instrumented when everything is put into its proper place. As for us trying to save pw, one of those "proper changes" will be lvl restricting frost. (as if restricting frost is a permanent thing) From what you've been replying to on here, is that you got a much bigger bias than the rest of us combined. If you wanna talk bout minorities, i think you need to look at yourself in the mirror doc cause you're in that minority based on how others reply to topics like this and that is reality. If ya wanna talk as if its a dream world that is in janusland than by all means go and explore your own little world all by yourself and see how long you'll last playing in a separate world of your own.

If it gets changed, it gets changed, who gives a ****, OTOH, if it doesn't.. who gives a ****? Play the way you like, telling others how to play is stupid. The state of the game is what it is, a logical person will deal with the cards in front of them, instead of whine about the same thing others have for years, fruitlessly.

So if something gets changed that affects you, then your upset, angry and maybe even hot tempered, if it doesnt change, than your happy bout it is that right? We are playing the way we like to play, but your accusation of us telling others how to play? that is just down right pathetic and despicable. Seems to me that your the one who is telling us how to play the way you like which is Frostlvling just cause its become the official lvling norm. The state of the game is not fixed, meaning that once its on a downhill path you cant reverse it. totally false again, the logical person would be the one who would want a change for the better and not for the worse so quit your bellyaching and do us all a favor for a change. SHUT UP AND BUZZ OFF OF THESE FORUMS SINCE YOUR DERAILING THIS THREAD!

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So in JanusLand, the concept that a large portion of the community, working in concert, is going out of their way to arbitrarily control another (yes, smaller) portion of the community... is more believable than the idea that we actually want to save the game?

Way to flaunt your pre-conceived bias. Now put it away before you hurt someone.


Because everything anyone writes in a signature should be taken so literally. Of course. -_-

Everyone dislikes something. The phrase is meant to be tounge-in-cheek. And if you insist on making more of these sad personal attacks, then send them to my PM inbox. This is not the place for it.

Large portion.. there is no such thing as an embellishment in Miugreland is there? Your idea is one to control the way others play. You could simply not hyper FF yourself, especially for any under 75 or 85 toon, but instead you wish to stop others from doing so. You have this ridiculous I-know-what's-best-for-you attitude, and it's very clear from posts here you aren't accustomed to people vehemently disagreeing with you, hence the many rageposts. It's been iterated a number of times in this topic, from those who've dared disagree (and you'll notice they've been asked to keep their opinion out of this thread, myself included), that of the problems that has come upon PWI, the fact that people hyper under 75 or enter FF under 75 or both is not what any major problem with PWI is. This is a reflection of the player base and what they want to do, unfortunately here comes nanny Miugre declaring how they level is suddenly the problem in PWI. It was you who kept declaring you wished the population of this game returned to 2008 (that's called nostalgia, which you frequently express here on the forums and the background of your "ideas"), who continuously whined about hypers and FF, etc., you can dramatically call questioning your motives a "personal attack" but since going after the premise and the motives for such a drastic change is well within the realm of reasonable debate, please declare more about how this isn't about nostalgia:

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Some of those problems are beyond our control, but others... people choose to condone and participate in. The old game isn't dead, people. There's just no one left who wants to play it. Everyone just wants to play the hyper-leveling aps-fest we have now.

If you want the old game back, play like it. It starts with you.

All in all, good stuff. I'd love to see you expand on this concept more.

Tongue in cheek as well I guess.. b:bye

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So if something gets changed that affects you, then your upset, angry and maybe even hot tempered, if it doesnt change, than your happy bout it is that right? We are playing the way we like to play, but your accusation of us telling others how to play? that is just down right pathetic and despicable. Seems to me that your the one who is telling us how to play the way you like which is Frostlvling just cause its become the official lvling norm. The state of the game is not fixed, meaning that once its on a downhill path you cant reverse it. totally false again, the logical person would be the one who would want a change for the better and not for the worse so quit your bellyaching and do us all a favor for a change. SHUT UP AND BUZZ OFF OF THESE FORUMS SINCE YOUR DERAILING THIS THREAD!

"Not all veterans" -- way to straw man the debate. By FAR most players who started after early 2010 hyper FF'd their way to 100+, and most players hyper FF powerleveled their alts as well. If you have trouble accepting this, you should find another game because once reality hits you and you suddenly gain perspective, it's clearly going to be quite painful for you.

And FF has only now become the official lvling norm? It's been that way since mid-late 2009, guy. Hyper FF became the norm in the first months of 2010, and powerleveling shortly after. You're 3 and a half years late to the party, were you drunk, or just busy powerleveling too?

There's not much addressing your conspiracy nonsense but I do find it downright mind boggling how the way things are done now, which is you either choose to hyper plvl or not, is controlling others, whereas this sudden banning of hypers for people under 75 and/or banning people from FF under 75 isn't.. do explain that one, Watson, if you can actually manage to keep your next post within the forum rules and your head from exploding from rage.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Large portion.. there is no such thing as an embellishment in Miugreland is there? Your idea is one to control the way others play. You could simply not hyper FF yourself, especially for any under 75 or 85 toon, but instead you wish to stop others from doing so. You have this ridiculous I-know-what's-best-for-you attitude, and it's very clear from posts here you aren't accustomed to people vehemently disagreeing with you, hence the many rageposts. It's been iterated a number of times in this topic, from those who've dared disagree (and you'll notice they've been asked to keep their opinion out of this thread, myself included), that of the problems that has come upon PWI, the fact that people hyper under 75 or enter FF under 75 or both is not what any major problem with PWI is. This is a reflection of the player base and what they want to do, unfortunately here comes nanny Miugre declaring how they level is suddenly the problem in PWI. It was you who kept declaring you wished the population of this game returned to 2008 (that's called nostalgia, which you frequently express here on the forums and the background of your "ideas"), who continuously whined about hypers and FF, etc., you can dramatically call questioning your motives a "personal attack" but since going after the premise and the motives for such a drastic change is well within the realm of reasonable debate, please declare more about how this isn't about nostalgia:

So digging up my entire post backlog for a few out-of-context quotes is what passes for "reasonable debate" now? Please. You have no valid points that aren't just rehashes of points that were defeated months ago, so you choose to attack the messenger rather than the message. Funny how you never did this back when you were too busy stomping all over the room waving the "ur nostalgic" banner. So this is what happens when your **** gets ruined, is it?

Regardless, I will NOT stoop to your level and discuss the personal post histories of either of us in this thread. It's entirely irrelevant to the debate, and will result in nothing but its total derailment. Then again, that's been your entire goal since setting foot in the thread, so I guess I shouldn't been surprised.

This is the last time I'm going to be patient with you. I welcome any one-on-one challenge of my posts and beliefs, but this is not the place for it and you damn well know it. Quit violating basic forum ettiquite or I will contact the mods. And no, I don't care how much you whine about that or for what reasons, as I've long stopped caring about your appalling attempts to reframe everything just the way you like it.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So digging up my entire post backlog for a few out-of-context quotes is what passes for "reasonable debate" now? Please. You have no valid points that aren't just rehashes of points that were defeated months ago, so you choose to attack the messenger rather than the message. Funny how you never did this back when you were too busy stomping all over the room waving the "ur nostalgic" banner. So this is what happens when your **** gets ruined, is it?

Regardless, I will NOT stoop to your level and discuss the personal post histories of either of us in this thread. It's entirely irrelevant to the debate, and will result in nothing but its total derailment. Then again, that's been your entire goal since setting foot in the thread, so I guess I shouldn't been surprised.

This is the last time I'm going to be patient with you. I welcome any one-on-one challenge of my posts and beliefs, but this is not the place for it and you damn well know it. Quit violating basic forum ettiquite or I will contact the mods. And no, I don't care how much you whine about that or for what reasons, as I've long stopped caring about your appalling attempts to reframe everything just the way you like it.

The message has already been addressed, but since this topic is so blatantly perpetuated by those with an unyielding sense of nostalgia (you've attacked my posts, doing the same is not out of bounds), which I normally wouldn't care much about if it weren't just as a stubborn attempt to blame powerlevelers for the woes of PWI and go after them. Of course, I defend people being able to play any way they like. You can feel free to cry to the mods because you couldn't control the discussion in the manner you'd like, it matters not to me. I'm here for a discussion, from the get-go you wished to squelch it. May I suggest your own forums if you can't handle people ripping your posts apart? b:bye

Kassos - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL I was reading through this and was thinking to myself, "There's just a few people posting over and over and over".

So I went back through the threads and wrote them down because it seemed interesting.

Here's the results....


In the "I hate this idea but don't have a solid reason for it", corner we have...
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear -=- Not certain he's actually made a point yet.
Brillance - Raging Tide -=- Not Brilliant, and obviously one of the sheltered hyper-babies. I'm not 100% certain she's actually made a valid point yet.
WannaBM - Archosaur -=- Obviously hates politics and oppression and will fight it to the end, no matter how stupid the reason.

In the "I care about the game and want to see it survive", corner we have....
SylenThunder - Sanctuary -=- OP You're loud, and sometimes annoying, but you're right a lot more often than not.
Miugre - Heavens Tea -=- Almost as loud as SylenThunder, but you can tell that he cares about the game, and it's future. Both of you guys make these huge walls of posts, but they are good reading.
Wickedbrew - Raging Tide -=- I seen your posts but don't have an opinion on you.
Annalyse - Heavens Tea -=- Well known in forums and very level headed
Desdi - Sanctuary -=- Well known in forums and very level headed
oVenusArmanio -=- Well known and now a Mod
OPKossy -=- Well known, and now a Mod
Asone - Raging Tide
Aeliah - Dreamweaver
Shidoshi - Lost City
BaronSamedi - Dreamweaver
Sukinee - Heavens Tear

The ones in the bottom I'm not as familiar with.

In any case, I quit playing because it was just damn boring. Questing areas were dead. The faction I was in was a bunch of high levels that were always doing their own thing so I felt like the odd duck runt that was too little to benefit.
I left because there was basically no one around to play with and I didn't feel like blowing a bunch of cash on pixels. (and Charms, charms were costly and I was going through mana like some kind of... I dunno, I can't think of anything equivalent, but mana was like this think I never had enough of.)

I vote for both just because overkill is better than nothing. b:chuckle

Don't worry, even though I completely disregard your opinion as you aren't even playing, you'll undoubtedly be counted as this massive amount of active players who agrees with the topic's premise by the "powerlevelers r the death of pwi" crusade.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

I still stand behind the level restrict idea. Even removing hypers would not harm my gameplay at all. Why? I want to live through the content. I want to experience every instance on every toon that isn't built like the others or is a different class.

And you get to achieve your personal goal by restricting the majority of players who don't feel the same way you do -- makes plenty of sense.

There's nothing stopping you from doing what you want, rather than actually find people who are agreeable to your play style you'd instead prefer to tell everyone else how to play and restrict them. Utter nonsense.

Keeping FF and hypers the way it is harms no one, people playing PVE **** the way they want harms no one.

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver

None of the above options you poll is stupid and anti-democratic gtfo b:bye