Hp Probs...

Mezmir - Dreamweaver

Hey all, how much hp should a mystic have a level 72? I have mainly went pure mag the entire time. I feel like my hp is a little low and was wondering if it really was or not lol.


Thanks guys! b:victory

ilovebarbarians

PVE you want something like 3000 hp by 80 to survive some aoes. Higher is better of course but lvl70 gears aren't that great, so almost every other AA 7X will have low hp compared to LA and HA.

tweakz

Mezmir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hey all, how much hp should a mystic have a level 72?

For???

Algiz - Dreamweaver

ilovebarbarians wrote: »

PVE you want something like 3000 hp by 80 to survive some aoes. Higher is better of course but lvl70 gears aren't that great, so almost every other AA 7X will have low hp compared to LA and HA.

pretty much this. If you find you have trouble surviving aoes or issues surviving in general, i recall spamming salvation quite a bit at that point in my leveling. Also, at the first chance you get, get Natures Barrier (level 79 skill). It cuts all incoming damage by 50% but it won't work if you're inside BB/RA/Regeneration Aura;

But yeah, you won't see much more than 3k hp till you get to your 90-100 gears unless you stat some vit or wear LA / HA at the expense of your magic damage.

Zoldi - Morai

When I was level 72, I didn't have great stuff (military gear that I had at level 60, no gemms, no refine) and was already pure mag. I never had any problem to do any standard quest (and I did all available quest without powerleveling or help from HL people)
To be honest, I think that mystic might be one of the easiest class to level to 100.

In which situation do you face problem ?

DaGosta - Dreamweaver

1. You're a caster, and even if you went with a vit build, your hp is still going to lack compared to some HA/LA users your level. You'll also generally even have less hp than a caster veno, because venos get more life per level, and hp per vit.

1.5. I myself had about 2/5k hp during my lvl 70s, and didn't break 3k until 80. Then I had about 3400, but I also had some op sharded tt80 robes.

2. If you feel you're lacking, try refining gear a bit, or sharding citrines in armor.

3. Always wear pdef ornaments, and keep Verdant Shell on, because sometimes, it's just a defense problem, and not an hp problem.

4. If you're having trouble taking hits yourself, then feel free play like a veno and let your chihyu tank quest mobs, while you heal it, and do a bit of DDing. One absorb soul can often take out half a quest mob's hp, or at least close, and it doesn't build any agro, so I like to start channeling absorb soul, then have chihyu attack mob.

5. If you're decently geared (at least have weapon your level), the old Nature's Vengeance + Absorb Soul combo will often times 2-hit most quest mobs. If it's still alive, hit with another vengeance, and it should be dead.

6. If you're in an instance, and tanking, then either your tank sucks, or you're actually doing too much damage for it to hold agro to. However, at level 72, you should be running bh 59, which any caster class can tank, at least the bosses.

And last, but not least 7. As mentioned previously, you can use Salvation's shields to help out in a pinch, or if you have devil/mistress out, don't be afraid to leech them for extra pdef/mdef respectively.

Lyrynx - Momaganon

always keep falling petals, ressurection and verdant shell on yourself, i didnt start sharding/refines till i was at least in tt80 as i thought it would be a waste of coin/resources (i was slightly vit build though), that said, when solo choose your mobs carefully, play veno style etc as others have said.
When squaded, whatever role you are in, place falling petals on the cleric, tank and yourself, other stuff can wait.
falling petals is a life saver! i was many times behind my level hp and phy def wise, yet still able to keep up because of this skill

CapnK - Sanctuary

DaGosta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

4. If you're having trouble taking hits yourself, then feel free play like a veno and let your chihyu tank quest mobs, while you heal it, and do a bit of DDing. One absorb soul can often take out half a quest mob's hp, or at least close, and it doesn't build any agro, so I like to start channeling absorb soul, then have chihyu attack mob.

Was going to point out that Absorb Soul does build agro now, but that's for level 11 version. Level 10 and less should still be safe.

Zoldi - Morai

Regarding aggro in instance, a mystic is once again one of the most suited class to DD a lot without taking back aggro, because of the use of AS but also because of plants and summons. Almost all the other classes in the game have no other option than "stop DDing" in the same situation

CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

Was going to point out that Absorb Soul does build agro now, but that's for level 11 version. Level 10 and less should still be safe.

I didn't know that. Thank you b:thanks

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

Regarding aggro in instance, a mystic is once again one of the most suited class to DD a lot without taking back aggro

Depend the gears I guess cause if a triple spark I get aggro even from 5aps people.

WannaBM - Archosaur

It is nice to have some vit. Also later on when you are level 100+ and not yet in have the greatest refines on your gear. With no vit, you could be 5-6k HPs or something and you wont get out of SOT and ABA alive now that they kind of disabled our crystal cheat. AOEs will eat you.

So i recommend putting the remaining points you get between 80 and 100 into vit to add some 1500 HPs when buffed. To make sure you are not a very weak mystic whom no mob feares, you focus your refining effords on your weapon primarily after you are level 100 and got the weapon that you will be using for a long while.

By the time you are rich and get both your weapon and armors refined enough that you feel like you have too much HPs, you can simply buy a restat note and move that vit back to magic. I suspect that may be in 2015 though.

Zoldi - Morai

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Depend the gears I guess cause if a triple spark I get aggro even from 5aps people.

No... If you triple spark and then only use AS I don't think you can get aggro from 5APS people for example.
I can get aggro from 5aps people as well if I want to, but I do it only because I know that I can tank (maybe better than them).

My point was to explain that if you don't want to get aggro you can manage to do it without stopping dding. I don't know if I'm clear (because of bad english basically) but I remember a time while playing on PW-MY where you were considered a pretty bad DD if you were "stealing aggro" (because it was complicating the cleric's task and often resulted in squad death at that time)

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

It is nice to have some vit. Also later on when you are level 100+ and not yet in have the greatest refines on your gear. With no vit, you could be 5-6k HPs or something and you wont get out of SOT and ABA alive now that they kind of disabled our crystal cheat. AOEs will eat you.

So i recommend putting the remaining points you get between 80 and 100 into vit to add some 1500 HPs when buffed. To make sure you are not a very weak mystic whom no mob feares, you focus your refining effords on your weapon primarily after you are level 100 and got the weapon that you will be using for a long while.

By the time you are rich and get both your weapon and armors refined enough that you feel like you have too much HPs, you can simply buy a restat note and move that vit back to magic. I suspect that may be in 2015 though.

they disabled crystals?
oh well, soul of steel..

WannaBM - Archosaur

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

they disabled crystals?
oh well, soul of steel..

Well they didnt entirely disabled them.

They made the cooldown 4 times as long as the effect. So total safety would now be possible only if you have at least 4 people using them with perfect timing.

tweakz

Why do we still have fail BH runs? - Fail equips, vit build dd/ healer, lazy / ignorant play style. Putting points in vit costs you more MP pots/ charm (in multiple ways).

With no vit, you could be 5-6k HPs or something and you wont get out of SOT and ABA alive now that they kind of disabled our crystal cheat. AOEs will eat you.

So do something else until you can handle it. For BH's: those aoes are short range. (Mystic is a ranged dd).

By the time you are rich and get both your weapon and armors refined enough that you feel like you have too much HPs, you can simply buy a restat note and move that vit back to magic. I suspect that may be in 2015 though.

Especially if everyone you squad with followed the same crappy advice.

Algiz - Dreamweaver

me personally i've always focused on refining and sharding my armor first, over the weapon. My philosophy is even if it takes you an hour (exaggeration ofc) to kill a mob, if you can solo it in 3 minutes but it can one shot you, whats the point? I'd rather survive to do damage than to do all my damage upfront and die quickly

thats me though, but right now i have 17-22k pdef fully buffed (sage verdant, bell, base pdef b uff, cleric buffs, +10 pdef ornas and garnet shards) and roughly 7.5k hp unbuffed, just under 10k buffed wearing full aa g16+7 with full garnet (morai version) sharding.

So my point is your defenses do eventually get better, its just a matter of your gear / refines / shards.

i might add i have a +10 g16 wep too, but that came well after i was happy with my pdef

tweakz

Algiz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

me personally i've always focused on refining and sharding my armor first, over the weapon. My philosophy is even if it takes you an hour (exaggeration ofc) to kill a mob, if you can solo it in 3 minutes but it can one shot you, whats the point? I'd rather survive to do damage than to do all my damage upfront and die quickly

thats me though, but right now i have 17-22k pdef fully buffed (sage verdant, bell, base pdef b uff, cleric buffs, +10 pdef ornas and garnet shards) and roughly 7.5k hp unbuffed, just under 10k buffed wearing full aa g16+7 with full garnet (morai version) sharding.

So my point is your defenses do eventually get better, its just a matter of your gear / refines / shards.

i might add i have a +10 g16 wep too, but that came well after i was happy with my pdef

But what everyone seems to be ignoring is wth is the HP for? HP really comes into play when you get the 5k hits and then the new bosses with bleed based on HP. 5k isn't hard to swing with equips, and the bleed isn't hard to avoid.

WannaBM - Archosaur

tweakz, could you please go fight hellfire abomination and queen of cypher before stating that anything over 5k HP is useless ?
Have you not seen the many cries from players who think you need to be r9.3 to beat these?
Well, you dont. You have to make a proper build that doesnt die when the boss sneezes.

To OP, i can only say. Dont believe it. I have seen this in every game i play. People think the damage they can do per hit and the more glass cannon like they can build that char, the bigger is their epeen size. They seem to think that by stating they dont need the HPs/defences, they prove they are better players.
They ignore the fact that some ability to process incomming damage allows them to fight tougher bosses than they could otherwise. It allows them a more flexible playstyle and less accedents that might be at the cost of the whole squad.

I made 2 builds for you to compare. The cost of them is about equal. The only difference is in stat points and in refines. In fact, to make sure i wont get complaints, i gave 5 +7 refines for 1 +10 refine. That is abour right if you buy the 6 and +7 orbs during sale, but the +10 ones not. So the non-vit build really is more expensive even yet still inferior to the vit build.

no vit
vit

This shows my claim about vit vs armor refines / magic vs weapon refine.
This build has 9k HPs. Of course you could also go for the pure offensive option like this

It this level of gear, you could debate that the pure offensive build is better. I do not agree, but i wont strongly disagree either. However, this is a gear level that a player who is now starting will achieve in 2015 most likely. This is that time when he could be thinking about restatting.

Until that time hes gonna be walking around in TT/morai/G13/G15/. His defences will be less impressive and the vit will be more welcome. If you still feel more offensive even at lower levels of equipment, you can give priority not only to refining your weapon over your armors. You can also upgrade it towards G16 faster than armors. Needeless to say, it will again be cheaper to do this with that 1 item to make up for your attack dmg than it will be to do it with 6 armor items to make up for low HPs.

When you become lvl 100, you pretty much start out with your TT90 gear (or morai if you take the efford) and now your task is to upgrade towards G16. If i were new caster without external funds from my alts, i might just stat max vit and get a G16+4 weapon first. The damage would totally outclass
everything else without G16 weapon, regardless of their vit/magic ratio. I do not think i need to show you 2 TT90 builds where 1 with vit has spend 50m on a weapon while the other without vit has spend those millions on making 2 TT99 parts...
Then id work on the armors and restat back when those are G16 too. An advanced reset on sale is only 7.5 gold (10-15m) pretty insignificant compared to what you will be spending on your toon during this year to get him full G16. This should be espescially beneficial as it allows you to limit wasting money on refining items that are not yet G16.

Dont blindly repeat so called "common knowledge" insulting other people like your life depends on it. Do some research and use the grey matter first.

tweakz

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

tweakz, could you please go fight hellfire abomination and queen of cypher before stating that anything over 5k HP is useless ?

-Note the lack of a quote: this is libel.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

tweakz wrote: »

-Note the lack of a quote: this is libel.

Its called paraphrasing.

You know, coming to these forums and seeing another post from you, full of your trademark style, I feel compelled to speak my mind *very very* clearly to you.

You drive me nuts. Sometimes in one post you'll actually say something that might be logical, and then in the next post you'll be spouting complete drivel. Somehow, you are never bothered by this contradiction. I'll admit I am opinionated sometimes, but I at least make an attempt to analyze my conclusions to see if they are truly correct, and I'll make further evaluations of those conclusions whenever I get new information. But you... you will never admit you are wrong. Ever. Would that somehow be admitting 'defeat'? Does the thought of being wrong about something scare you that much? You will even turn a blind eye to the truth about something, just so that you can always be 'right'. That is just messed up man.

The above and following comments are not just a result of this thread, though you certainly display those tendencies I most dislike here as well. I'm talking about every thread you start or post in. You make the same statements about the same old topics over and over and over again, dismissing all counter-arguments or evidence that disagrees with your pre-formed conclusions. You are opinionated to a degree that makes even me look agreeable. I'm not here to ask you to open your eyes, but, as you should clearly be able to tell from the tone, to present my disgust with you. Your mixture of correct and incorrect information is a more toxic mix to other players who are looking for legitimate answers to their questions, than a person who always lies (at least we can trust them to always be wrong). You can sometimes sound convincing, but nobody can ever really trust what you say, because of the way you mix fact with fantasy, truth with falsehoods, logic with nonsense.

I really wish you'd just stop posting in these forums. Your posts are an eyesore to this community. Until you can become an individual capable of objective and critical thought, your so-called 'advice' and 'information' is a danger to all other PWI players who seek answers here in these forums.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'll admit I am opinionated sometimes, but I at least make an attempt to analyze my conclusions to see if they are truly correct, and I'll make further evaluations of those conclusions whenever I get new information.

*cough*
I assume you haven't seen my Tw vid yet, I await your 'further evaluations' back on the DW thread. That is all. Please continue

Mezmir - Dreamweaver

Well thanks everyone! I only have a little over 2k hp right now at lvl 72 and i felt like that was pretty weak, i do seem to get one-shotted by a lot of things......

Ill be sure to work on this with all of the considerations you all have brought to mind. b:victory

tweakz

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Its called paraphrasing.

That is not paraphrasing: it's Libel.

You know, coming to these forums and seeing another post from you, full of your trademark style, I feel compelled to speak my mind *very very* clearly to you.

Yet here you are addressing me in the open forum. (personal attack)

You drive me nuts.

Ditto. You use colored text (annoying) and fill forum with useless information. (like this post of yours)

Sometimes in one post you'll actually say something that might be logical, and then in the next post you'll be spouting complete drivel.

Half the posters here do that including you. Stupid people think they're smart, and geniuses are considered idiots by the masses. Drivel to you might just mean: It went over your head.

Somehow, you are never bothered by this contradiction. I'll admit I am opinionated sometimes, but I at least make an attempt to analyze my conclusions to see if they are truly correct, and I'll make further evaluations of those conclusions whenever I get new information. But you... you will never admit you are wrong. Ever.

-More personal attack and libel. I'm surprised the mods tolerate you, but then they're sketchy on rule enforcement.

I really wish you'd just stop posting in these forums.

Ditto

Your posts are an eyesore to this community.

Oh really? Because I use default color, and don't out of the blue attack others? (like you)

Until you can become an individual capable of objective and critical thought, your so-called 'advice' and 'information' is a danger to all other PWI players who seek answers here in these forums.[/COLOR]

Wake up pot: you just posted a bunch of immaterial, libelous, personal attack which breaks the rules of the forum.

Great job of turning this forum into a cesspool of libel and insults AGAIN.