Farming solo/prices

cunta1974

For along time farming has been a good way to make coin aka from TT/lunar etc.
Even now if you spend half the day farming you can make coin but from what ive been
told you can now solo delta on a seeker and go afk come back and repeat,i can assume that due to many people using more than 2 toons they can open it themselfs(even thou i have seen people on wc asking for delta openers 100k) and have a cleric in bb and the seeker in vortex.
Not sure how its done only that it can be now this to me is wrong since anything you can leave it on autopilot come back later collect item.This is a type of botting is'nt it since you have no need to be there>?
PWI make toons stronger and dont change instances making it easyer and easyer for people to solo things like delta which used to take 6 SKILLED players now 1 r9rr seeker can solo afk thats why alot of frags/pages and perfect shards are on sale now but instead of a group of 6 people sharing its all to one person on 6 accounts.
Dont see why a seeker should have bp anyway thats the only reason they can solo large groups of mobs.So maybe have to put something in Delta that will make it so you cant afk.

On the prices part i can understand why TT gold mats go down in price on x2 but because of endless sales that drive up gold making pack items more expensive its a losing battle.
People wanting cheaper and cheaper mats and cashers charging more and more for dot/dod.vit gem etc its now at the point the only thing people want are items from boutique ...WHY get tt/lunar armor(and g16) when there will be cheap r9 sales soon.
raps canny so cheap r9rr is easy to obtain.
Then people want dot/dod/vit also only from packs making those go up in price.

No wonder people bot only way to make coin

WannaBM - Archosaur

I am also farming TT all day long during 2x

I still fail to see the problem though. I am playing games since the PC was invented and the amount of farming need to get top level gear is no more in this game than what i am used to from other games.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1587491

If they're soloing afk, it's bannable.

Otherwise... I see no difference between this and the numerous people (myself included) that solo farm things like 3-3 or card bosses.

Besides, you can't completely run delta while afk, because some waves will drop your vort/bb.


Posting on forums immediately after doing programming work is a bad idea. I just tried to use "cw" to edit my above postb:surrender

Jaabg - Sanctuary

****a1974 wrote: »

On the prices part i can understand why TT gold mats go down in price on x2 but because of endless sales that drive up gold making pack items more expensive its a losing battle.

TT gold mat prices are fixed. Go to mysterious merchant to craft the, with chips.

People on sanctuary, at least the active farmers usually sell 400k~1.5m lower than the chip price. Illusion stone being an exception, that sells for 10~14m. Cheaper gold mats go cheap, ancient devil soul goes very cheap now.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

all I see is "QQ, other people have found ways to farm better than me"
while you remove bp from seekers (actually, assuming BB a seeker would be ok even without bp...) because they can solo delta and not share the profits with other 5 toons, remove in from bms/barbs/sins too since they can solo TT with it and not share the profit...

afk + gain exp = ban? better ban all the DO catshops thenb:chuckle

Haila - Sanctuary

I dont think the seeker can go afk from the start and the delta run is finished when he comes back. Or are +12 r999's so overpowered, killing interupting mobs and bosses in a few vortex swings b:surprised

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »

I dont think the seeker can go afk from the start and the delta run is finished when he comes back. Or are +12 r999's so overpowered, killing interupting mobs and bosses in a few vortex swings b:surprised

yeah that too. although returning back for w3 and w8 (it's 8 right?) isnt that big of a hassle

maestro121

****a1974 wrote: »

but from what ive been
told you can now solo delta on a seeker and go afk come back and repeat,i can assume that due to many people using more than 2 toons they can open it themselfs(even thou i have seen people on wc asking for delta openers 100k) and have a cleric in bb and the seeker in vortex.

Video or it didn't happen. Delta is impossible For Seeker to afk solo because:

(a) The stunning waves will interrupt vortex every time and they can do it from range.

(b) Some mobs will invariably slip pass the "stationery" vortex and run back to kill Harpy thus stopping the wave bosses from dropping the all important frags & pages.

_tannerru_ - Archosaur

You can't afk due to above reasons (interrupts), But you can solo it,

Fissile - Archosaur

It is technically possible to leave it untouched for about 75% of a delta run but you would still have to constantly check on it. Plus you'd need a sin with you to bp every half hour unless you don't mind GoF eating your charm/crabs between waves in addition to the mobs.

I've soloed it on my seeker + wiz and it isn't worth it to me. Costs tons of pots and is ridiculously boring. Even though you can make a pile of pages of fate and a handful of tome frags. (Like 8-12m for more than 2 hours, no thanks.)

Untamed_pain - Archosaur

i'm sorry 2 hrs of solo delta is so not worth the farming...

Yes i have a 100 seeker alt. she can't solo with tt90 gear on n g16 weapon but i have done full delta with a squad and i don't like delta on any of my 3 100 + toons lol. b:chuckle

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

TT gold mat prices are fixed. Go to mysterious merchant to craft the, with chips.

People on sanctuary, at least the active farmers usually sell 400k~1.5m lower than the chip price. Illusion stone being an exception, that sells for 10~14m. Cheaper gold mats go cheap, ancient devil soul goes very cheap now.

I think archo has worse gold prices. I sell bout 10% under chippping price, Stones being stupid exception ~10m as people arent patient and kill the market. My dream is to break 2b worth of gold mats by the end of 2x! Sitting on bout 1.2b atm <.<. Sold worth bout 50m golds last night though, god, this is gonna be a race!

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

I think archo has worse gold prices. I sell bout 10% under chippping price, Stones being stupid exception ~10m as people arent patient and kill the market. My dream is to break 2b worth of gold mats by the end of 2x! Sitting on bout 1.2b atm <.<. Sold worth bout 50m golds last night though, god, this is gonna be a race!

it's not because they kill the market it's because only a noob would buy stones near the original price since you can instead get the lunar chest at around the same price

bluestuffzzz

****a1974 wrote: »

For along time farming has been a good way to make coin aka from TT/lunar etc.
Even now if you spend half the day farming you can make coin but from what ive been
told you can now solo delta on a seeker and go afk come back and repeat,i can assume that due to many people using more than 2 toons they can open it themselfs(even thou i have seen people on wc asking for delta openers 100k) and have a cleric in bb and the seeker in vortex.
Not sure how its done only that it can be now this to me is wrong since anything you can leave it on autopilot come back later collect item.This is a type of botting is'nt it since you have no need to be there>?
PWI make toons stronger and dont change instances making it easyer and easyer for people to solo things like delta which used to take 6 SKILLED players now 1 r9rr seeker can solo afk thats why alot of frags/pages and perfect shards are on sale now but instead of a group of 6 people sharing its all to one person on 6 accounts.
Dont see why a seeker should have bp anyway thats the only reason they can solo large groups of mobs.So maybe have to put something in Delta that will make it so you cant afk.

On the prices part i can understand why TT gold mats go down in price on x2 but because of endless sales that drive up gold making pack items more expensive its a losing battle.
People wanting cheaper and cheaper mats and cashers charging more and more for dot/dod.vit gem etc its now at the point the only thing people want are items from boutique ...WHY get tt/lunar armor(and g16) when there will be cheap r9 sales soon.
raps canny so cheap r9rr is easy to obtain.
Then people want dot/dod/vit also only from packs making those go up in price.

No wonder people bot only way to make coin

Your first post on these forums under that specific account, and all it really contains is nonsense.

1.) It's bannable to be on more than (2?) accounts at once. Send a ticket to the auto-response team for no assistance, if you have an issue.

2.) Changes to core game mechanics like BP on/off won't get changed if you complain on the publisher's message board. Contrary to your belief, you seem to have this idea that complaining to other players or the mods/temp community manager will make a difference. However, your suggestion won't even be read by a staff member of PWE most of the time. Seek Wanmei's BBS for PW2, register an account, and learn to write Chinese.

3.) It's not possible to afk solo a RB run due to the mobs that drop BB and can stun. The player(s) must pop vac powders or some sort of anti-stun, to not get stunned and for BB to not drop. How you don't know this is beyond me. You claim to know people are afk soloing RB, yet right on RB wave 3, you run into those stunning mobs. That's fairly ignorant of you.

4.) Enhancing the difficulty on RB will make it harder for new players attempting to finish the cultivation quest chain. By your logic, in ~5 years everyone will need R999 so they can do FB99 or BH100, or even basic instance-based quests. How idiotic. Surprisingly enough, Wanmei has a history of doing this already (which is stupid) - with FB99 abba/sot and TT both being changed to make things harder.

5.) The morals and logic: Is it actually worth it to solo a RB run? Highly doubt it. It will no doubt take a lengthy amount of time and for what? By the time you finish repair bills, apoth, and pots, you're looking at a meager amount profit.

WannaBM - Archosaur

People relate the value of gold mats to the cost of making them with chips. I think that is rather irrellevant. The only thing the chipped option does is create a maximum value. There is no reason why the market value should be anywhere near that instead of a whole lot lower and i must say, i am surprised the market value is holding up so well. Really every time i sell another back image i am wondering "who keeps using all this ****"

The demand for these items is not endless. Lots of G16 gear is made tradable. Non tradable (aps) stuff can be account stashed. Influx of new players is not that big, the growth in people who can farm them is tremendous. Also the fact that ready made G16 items are significantly cheaper than the mats to make them keeps me wondering there still is so much demand for these TT gold items.

Enjoy the last bit of TT gold value while you can, it wont last, and too much 2x has very little to do with it. For me, i am working hard this 2x in TT because i think it is may well be one of the last reasonable chances to do so. We will probably get another end of the year 2x, and that 2x will likely be the very last of my TT farming. I prepare to live from merchanting alone from there on. Or new farming options that are not getting outdated as rapidly as TT.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

it's not because they kill the market it's because only a noob would buy stones near the original price since you can instead get the lunar chest at around the same price

Maybe on whatever server you are on. On Archosaur lunar gear seems fairly expensive and difficult to get. No, I am not expecting 15m+ stones but we had good thing of 12-13m stones for so long. Now selling for 10m can be difficult as people are going for instant sells, thus killing the market.

As for WannaBM? Most people make their alts on separate accounts for ability to log them simultaneously if needed. Say your main is barb, you want to make your alts so you can get full buffs from them the same time, either all buffers on same account or more likely separate. Which results usually in 4 accounts, 1 for each armor type + 1 where the main is. Also after xmas there will be months of no 2x drops if expansion come out before xmas, thus lack of supply for mats will drive prices up again. But meh, why the hell do I tell these things? <.<.

Eoria - Harshlands

His point is that most people already have their gear and gear for whatever alts they need or are easily able to farm those mats themselves.

WannaBM - Archosaur

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

Maybe on whatever server you are on. On Archosaur lunar gear seems fairly expensive and difficult to get. No, I am not expecting 15m+ stones but we had good thing of 12-13m stones for so long. Now selling for 10m can be difficult as people are going for instant sells, thus killing the market.

As for WannaBM? Most people make their alts on separate accounts for ability to log them simultaneously if needed. Say your main is barb, you want to make your alts so you can get full buffs from them the same time, either all buffers on same account or more likely separate. Which results usually in 4 accounts, 1 for each armor type + 1 where the main is. Also after xmas there will be months of no 2x drops if expansion come out before xmas, thus lack of supply for mats will drive prices up again. But meh, why the hell do I tell these things? <.<.

I do agree the prices will go up again. But the long term trend should be a downwards one imo due to the G16 item market becoming smaller and the pool of farmers becomming bigger. So i expect us to go down 2 steps during a 2x and up 1 step between the 2x. The upgoing of the price will be dampened by the people like above poster who are stashing a billion worth of gold mats.

It would be interesting to know how many people get their gold mats trough chips. If there still were a large number of people who did so before this 2x, there could be enough excess demand on the market to keep the price touching the roof (near chip price) a bit longer.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

His point is that most people already have their gear and gear for whatever alts they need or are easily able to farm those mats themselves.

People are lazy, its so much easier to just buy the mats. I dont know really anybody who doesnt farm TT regularly but farms their own mats. As for demand? You would expect it to go down but seems like it always comes back up. While there is increasing amount of who can farm TT, most are far too lazy to farm enough to make impact on market. 50% of farmers who have impact farm week or two for whatever they want out of 2x and give up. There is maybe 3 "parties" on Archo who will farm significant amount all month long. The market usually starts to get better on the last 2 weeks of 2x, our market is already showing signs of prices going up. Only completely killed gold market is empire`s sighs.

As for chipping golds? Most of Shells are still chipped, there is nowhere near enough supply for demand. Footprints and sorceress souls both have enough demand server will run out of them outside of 2x. GLP and illusion lords stones prolly run out before xmas 2x. Illusion Stones are always a question and hard to predict. Sighs are just meh, they seem to never run out.

WannaBM - Archosaur

only 3 parties ?

What explains those people who made it their job to open TTs all day long for the ones who solo/duo it ?

And then theres probably a bunch who like me do it with 2 players controlling 4 toons. You read little or nothing from these in WC.

And those who simply do it by squad.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

only 3 parties ?

What explains those people who made it their job to open TTs all day long for the ones who solo/duo it ?

And then theres probably a bunch who like me do it with 2 players controlling 4 toons. You read little or nothing from these in WC.

And those who simply do it by squad.

Only 3 relevant parties. Possibly few more, depending where you draw the line. Mike, skynyrd, drizzt form 1 party and I think only mike really farms atm. I form one with my ingame wifey. Pulse and van formed another, havent heard van farming too much of late though, granted pulse goes with other ppl too. Eddy used to form one in past, dunno who he farmed with though, been bit inactive, then again I havent gone of my way to find his shop to check. There might be few others.

But even out of those people some have gone inactive on 2nd half of 2x. Secret farmed 2 weeks, same with head I believe and sento doesnt really farm that much by my understanding, granted I saw him in ToA yesterday. Ryan farms too, dont think enough to be anything comparable to what the main farmers do. You name me people who farm, as a group, 100m+ on daily basis, dont think most people I listed get there. There really arent that many and the people who do few runs every other day are fairly rare and spend their times usually on instances like 3-1.

Ps. I read WC and I see mostly ppl selling mats who I know personally and thus fairly good idea how much they actually farm. When market is also getting better for seller, nothing drastic but the signs are there, I doubt I`m too far off.

Aritorsha - Archosaur

Meh, in my opinon there will always be a demand for gold mats and they'll still stay rather consistent. Mats such as Giant Beast Footprints, for example, have a huge demand since every sin that wants to go APs needs them. Prices generally decline during 2x because the amount of gold mats on the market drastically increases due to the farmers. (both those who consistently farm the entirety of 2x and those who only farm a few weeks). Some people are just looking for a quick sale and sell them cheaper just to get the coin quickly, others wait and save them for after 2x and sell them for ~10-15% below chipping price usually.

As far as g16 goes, you need TT99 gears to make g13 -> g15 -> g16 and you need gold mats to make TT99. So thus, another reason why gold mats will still be in demand. Yes, certain gold mats will drop in price over time I'm sure but there are still a few that will consistently stay at the same price range.

Mazumii - Dreamweaver

basicly they have to prove you went afk for it to be bannable, now they can pm you but thats not 100% proof, i farm herbs all the time and ppl assume im a bot but i ignore all pms, unless it faction related.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Aritorsha - Archosaur wrote: »

Meh, in my opinon there will always be a demand for gold mats and they'll still stay rather consistent. Mats such as Giant Beast Footprints, for example, have a huge demand since every sin that wants to go APs needs them. Prices generally decline during 2x because the amount of gold mats on the market drastically increases due to the farmers. (both those who consistently farm the entirety of 2x and those who only farm a few weeks). Some people are just looking for a quick sale and sell them cheaper just to get the coin quickly, others wait and save them for after 2x and sell them for ~10-15% below chipping price usually.

As far as g16 goes, you need TT99 gears to make g13 -> g15 -> g16 and you need gold mats to make TT99. So thus, another reason why gold mats will still be in demand. Yes, certain gold mats will drop in price over time I'm sure but there are still a few that will consistently stay at the same price range.

You dont need TT99 gold mats, lunar can be made with one tt90 gold mat. Honestly the fact people constantly make tt99 gears shows the lack of intelligence in the player base (excluding the aps users ofc).

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You dont need TT99 gold mats, lunar can be made with one tt90 gold mat. Honestly the fact people constantly make tt99 gears shows the lack of intelligence in the player base (excluding the aps users ofc).

There really is no lunar market on Archosaur. Nobody farms lunar for golds, everybody only does BH path, which drops **** gold. Ultimately going lunar path on archo is just seriously expensive choice compared to TT. Heck, finding essences can be difficult.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

There really is no lunar market on Archosaur. Nobody farms lunar for golds, everybody only does BH path, which drops **** gold. Ultimately going lunar path on archo is just seriously expensive choice compared to TT. Heck, finding essences can be difficult.

That's kinda sad .

WannaBM - Archosaur

Ofc course lunar is more expensive. Its quite a difference. This difference shows in market price.

If i make a lunar weapon i need 4 back images + some tinders
For a TT weapon i need 2 empire sigh + TT90 weapon

And there is a market of course in lunar weapons and armors, but indeed it is rather small and it often takes days to sell something and weeks to find something. TT items arent traded much either though. And exactly that is why i feel like the market seems small. Maybe more people make themselves untradable stuff and equip it than i would expect

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Ofc course lunar is more expensive. Its quite a difference. This difference shows in market price.

If i make a lunar weapon i need 4 back images + some tinders
For a TT weapon i need 2 empire sigh + TT90 weapon

And there is a market of course in lunar weapons and armors, but indeed it is rather small and it often takes days to sell something and weeks to find something. TT items arent traded much either though. And exactly that is why i feel like the market seems small. Maybe more people make themselves untradable stuff and equip it than i would expect

The point is I have fair bit of lunar gear on my barb and whenever I need any lunar mats, its frustrating to even find any. Earth essences are really rare at times, lunar golds you just end up chipping cause nobody farms those. Well there might be 1 but its maybe 5% cheaper than chipping them. Even the lunar crystals and fragments are pain to find, you usually end up chipping few of them too per piece of gear. Thats my point of no market, there is like no supply at all for said gear. As for selling TT gear? I sell prolly 20 pieces TT path N2 a month.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

There really is no lunar market on Archosaur. Nobody farms lunar for golds, everybody only does BH path, which drops **** gold. Ultimately going lunar path on archo is just seriously expensive choice compared to TT. Heck, finding essences can be difficult.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

The point is I have fair bit of lunar gear on my barb and whenever I need any lunar mats, its frustrating to even find any. Earth essences are really rare at times, lunar golds you just end up chipping cause nobody farms those. Well there might be 1 but its maybe 5% cheaper than chipping them. Even the lunar crystals and fragments are pain to find, you usually end up chipping few of them too per piece of gear. Thats my point of no market, there is like no supply at all for said gear. As for selling TT gear? I sell prolly 20 pieces TT path N2 a month.

On DW, Lunar gear is very sought out. Saced mothers Auras are always sold as soon as you get them, and lunar mats are sheap.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

The point is I have fair bit of lunar gear on my barb and whenever I need any lunar mats, its frustrating to even find any. Earth essences are really rare at times, lunar golds you just end up chipping cause nobody farms those. Well there might be 1 but its maybe 5% cheaper than chipping them. Even the lunar crystals and fragments are pain to find, you usually end up chipping few of them too per piece of gear. Thats my point of no market, there is like no supply at all for said gear. As for selling TT gear? I sell prolly 20 pieces TT path N2 a month.

Switch money with someone on sanctuary, from the looks of it, there are less than 10 people playing on your server.