the never ending issue with HP and charms...
shashahah
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ok so here's the deal...
since the number of players with max gear/refine is rapidly increasing, and thus, the amount of HP per player, id like to bring this issue up (i guess this is no news to barbs..lol)
to put it simple, the more hp, the more charm u ra.pe
this is especially an issue in tw
best example: a 60k HP barb (a friend of mine got one, so i have some facts to base this on) **** around 10plat charms per 3h tw if he's lucky, and that even tho he's not even catbarb, else it would be at least twice the amount
let's say an average 5-6m per platcharm (based on sanctuary prices), thats 50-60m per tw u have to fund out of ur own pocket, unless u got some1 rich to pay for it (which i bet doesnt happen that often xD)
and going uncharmed to important tws is, well...
this is also the reason why so many ppl quit pking; its just no fun anymore if u have to farm for ages to pay the charmcost for a few hours of fun;
and those who dont spend real money on this game know how long it takes these days to farm ~50m
so my wish/suggestions would be either of these:
1) decrease charm cost (as in, gold per charm)
2) charms being craftable with NW tokens
3) charms with no specific amount of hp BUT with let's say 200 ticks, which means no
matter how many HP u got it ticks 200 times and then disappears)
option 3) is my personal favorite, given a platcharm with e.g. 200 ticks at current prices (3g per charm) would make it so much more easier for players with higher HP and actually bring some fun back into the game ~
P.S. would be great if i/we could possibly get a GM response to this what they think about this
thx b:thanks
since the number of players with max gear/refine is rapidly increasing, and thus, the amount of HP per player, id like to bring this issue up (i guess this is no news to barbs..lol)
to put it simple, the more hp, the more charm u ra.pe
this is especially an issue in tw
best example: a 60k HP barb (a friend of mine got one, so i have some facts to base this on) **** around 10plat charms per 3h tw if he's lucky, and that even tho he's not even catbarb, else it would be at least twice the amount
let's say an average 5-6m per platcharm (based on sanctuary prices), thats 50-60m per tw u have to fund out of ur own pocket, unless u got some1 rich to pay for it (which i bet doesnt happen that often xD)
and going uncharmed to important tws is, well...
this is also the reason why so many ppl quit pking; its just no fun anymore if u have to farm for ages to pay the charmcost for a few hours of fun;
and those who dont spend real money on this game know how long it takes these days to farm ~50m
so my wish/suggestions would be either of these:
1) decrease charm cost (as in, gold per charm)
2) charms being craftable with NW tokens
3) charms with no specific amount of hp BUT with let's say 200 ticks, which means no
matter how many HP u got it ticks 200 times and then disappears)
option 3) is my personal favorite, given a platcharm with e.g. 200 ticks at current prices (3g per charm) would make it so much more easier for players with higher HP and actually bring some fun back into the game ~
P.S. would be great if i/we could possibly get a GM response to this what they think about this
thx b:thanks
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tl;dr: bring something that yields more benefit the better gear you have.
aside from pointlessly benefiting 'op' players here's why pwi wont do it: because they know that someone that spent 10k$ on top gear will readily pay 6$ for a charm.you only purge once #yopo0 -
And now compare his gear cost and price of a charm. Also add again that it's extremely hard for him to farm or cs 7mil ingame coins for a charm b:chuckle How he managed to get 60k hp if he can't afford several charms, i wonder.best example: a 60k HP barb (a friend of mine got one, so i have some facts to base this on) **** around 10plat charms per 3h tw if he's lucky, and that even tho he's not even catbarb, else it would be at least twice the amount[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Marengo - Lost City wrote: »And now compare his gear cost and price of a charm. Also add again that it's extremely hard for him to farm or cs 7mil ingame coins for a charm b:chuckle How he managed to get 60k hp if he can't afford several charms, i wonder.
i did neither say he cashshopped his gear (he farmed, and i know cos i farmed enough with him) nor that he can't afford it
im just saying that the relation between HP and charmcost is getting ridiculous, and if u put ur qq and jealousy aside u might be able to see this as well0 -
im just saying that the relation between HP and charmcost is getting ridiculous, and if u put ur qq and jealousy aside u might be able to see this as well
^that.
i know where ur coming from since i do now have the gear ive been working on for a while now, and i definitely notice the difference between 8k and 22k, especially when im charmed
i dont even want to imagine how it is for a barb when its already kinda shetty as a caster..
tbh i rather do something irl than wasting time (farming etc to get charms) on something thats not rly worth it
imo its a real good idea for a charm to have a specific amount of ticks
but due to the uproar of QQs this is gonna cause i also consider charms being farm-/craftable worth a thought
BUT those charms would have to be accountbound (means they aint tradeable), else nw prices would explode and we'd be back at the start again
no need to start crying about how lower geared ppl are at a disadvantage here
lower gear doesnt neccessarily mean less nw tokens, and even if, lower gear > less HP > less charmticks, so that kinda evens it out
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I really don't think they could choose option3
Anyway charms cost is way to high (sales price should be at least standard price...)
I like the option about NW tokens. Within a few month supply tokens won't be useful anymore so it could be a good thing.
Another point : we should be able to "buy" better charms with event points. The amount of hp in the current ones is too low !~ Sage Mystic 105-105-105 ~
~ Sage Sin 103-103-102 ~
~ Sage vita Barb 103-102-101 ~
~ Sage BM 102-101 ~ Demon Archer 102 ~
~ Sage Cleric 102 ~ Demon Wizard 101 ~
~ Sage Seeker 101 ~ Sage Psy 101 ~
~ Sage Heavy Veno 101 ~ Demon Storm 9X ~ Dusk 6x ~
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When i finally get through all my event silver for charms (and everyone else with real gear) i'll elt you know about the charm situation. as for barbs and hp and charms. lol tis always been that way. 38k-60k. charms die fast regardless. and yes its a qq thread. u can farm 60k hp barb jus fine, then u can farm ur charms even faster.
pk deads cause people cant farm charms LOLOLOLOL i know alot that Pk WITHOUT them just to prove a point.
I have no problems charming my barb bm or seeker. So i will assume this is another im a free player riding the coattails of those that pay and QQ things are too expensive. QQ QQ QQ QQ b:cry QQ QQ QQ0 -
as for event gold...i dont see a point in wasting event gold for a charm that lasts like 10ticks if i were a 60k hp barb xD
and hey, not every1 can glitch him/herself thousands of event gold ;30 -
as for event gold...i dont see a point in wasting event gold for a charm that lasts like 10ticks if i were a 60k hp barb xD
and hey, not every1 can glitch him/herself thousands of event gold ;3
good for you? definitely beats making QQ threads about being too cheap to buy charms on a 60k barb. it's called maintenance cost, like when you pay millions for a mansion.
guess making smart merch moves is also out of questionyou only purge once #yopo0 -
First perfect world problems.
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I like your idea sir,
charms were always a problem to me i am having nightmares tikcing charms at night
i hate when i swich gear my freakin charm ticks and take like 30k from b:shocked
barbs need help with charm problem like for realz its not human we should contact PETA0 -
PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »good for you? definitely beats making QQ threads about being too cheap to buy charms on a 60k barb. it's called maintenance cost, like when you pay millions for a mansion.
guess making smart merch moves is also out of question
the only one i can see qqing is u sir^^
given i made suggestions and didnt say anything about omg qqqqqqqqqqq its so expensive we gonna die omg ill quit if they dont change it qqqqqq
ijs^^
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DoodsWH - Sanctuary wrote: »I have no problems charming my barb bm or seeker. So i will assume this is another im a free player riding the coattails of those that pay and QQ things are too expensive. QQ QQ QQ QQ b:cry QQ QQ QQ
Just as this is another "Ima CSer and you shall call me king me cause without me PWE would stop making games and if youre not reaching 101 with r9+12 within a month you can go die noob ima best anyway" response.
However, i do like the 3rd option. But since NW is more about tactics than PvP, i would even like charms to be disabled during it. Seriously, its pretty funny when glass-canon classes actually DO have to run and hide because they cannot use charms to survive anymore .... But yeah, some classes would have another huge advantage again :T
Maybe they just should delete charms from the boutique and packs and make them only craftable with huge amounts of regular mats, but with higher hp-pool or the possibilty to set the % rate of a charm tick yourself. (for example, if you put on a new P-Charm you can set the % to 25% instead of 50% ).
If nothings working, they could of course just NERF the endgame gear, but yeah ... this is probably the last thing theyd do ever.I like potatoes <(O~O)>0 -
btw, tyvm every1 who is responding seriously to this threadb:thanks0
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they should make barb only charm as help to charm problem as well
like double more if what plat give for same price
to cover ticks , gear change or shift change pointless ticks
also massive charm tick after death0 -
then a 100+ 60k HP barb has the same charmsize than a lvl 50 5k HP barb... cool0
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Templar - Sanctuary wrote: »they should make barb only charm as help to charm problem as well
basically an ok idea, but theres the diff between regular (20-30k hp) and imba (50k+) hp barbs..0 -
wut charms? didnt buy a charm for over 2years
, maybe more
event golds ftw b:victory0 -
Trust me that I'm neither poking at anyone, nor am I arguing anything.
Just a thought: A 60k barb has decided to put all VIT stones into their armor, creating a massive but unprotected pool of HP. If your friend went JoSD instead of VIT, his durability would be increased by the added defense and the pool of HP to be replenished would be decreased. Charm use would drop dramatically with no loss of function.
Yeah, I DO realize that JoSD are not within ready reach for everyone (including myself) but there is an available long-term mitigation to the problem.
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Templar - Sanctuary wrote: »they should make barb only charm as help to charm problem as well
like double more if what plat give for same price
to cover ticks , gear change or shift change pointless ticks
also massive charm tick after death
I always said the same, for many years now:
* There should be barb-only charms which are cheaper (barbs neither have skills like a sin to avoid all dmg nor do they have healing skills like clerics, mystics, psys, mages, bms, sins...). And we balely come close enough to an enemie to fight back (our ranged attacks have a very long cooldown, e.g. ancestral rage had once even 5mins, now still 1min cooldown).
* you should be able to put a charm off (after equipping it, it should be bound to avoid scams)
* after death a charm should only tick if you want it to tick (or it should be removable after death to avoid a tick)
Barbs were always the most expensive pvp class because of charms, that's why many TW factions QQ that no barb wants to join them.
My work-around in nw is that I always go with my own cleric in addition.
I'm sure they never changed it and will never change it because there are not many ppl doing TW anyway. We always had only a few people doing TW, it's like this since server start. The personal costs per charms for us might be high, but it's not much for a regular income for a company.
/off-topic
There are alot of reasons why barbs are at the end of the food chain in pvp, the extremely high charm costs are just one of them. Sure, I still can kill others easily when I outgear them. I hit casters often for 20-40k in nw, full buffed and without debuffs. But this doesn't really count.
Versus comparable geared classes barbs have way too many disadvantances. Barbs don't gain chi fast enough, especialls when they fight casters. Barbs benefit less than all other classes by unique add-on on R9/R999 wep (lower crit rate than bm, seeker, sin = less zerk-crit) and we even can't switch gear or weapon or blessing while we are in tiger form (VERY lame imo). I'd really like to get for a set of r8rr weapons with different unique add-ons (def lvl, purge, stun, silence + freeze, reduce phys/mag def). But I wouldn't be able to use them.0 -
Hint: buy charms in bulk half price when they are on sale. If you can't buy a lot at once, pay attention to arch cats, selling charms. They add a bit to get profit, but not x2. Who said $6? For me they are 3-4 gold permanently.
If 60k hp barbs spends 5 charms on TW, i assume 2 options:
- top guild with many lands. In this case i don't see any problem to compensate a cata puller some charms from lands income.
- small or average fac with few lands where the barb is one of few top-geared players and pulls whole TW on his 5-6 charms while fac has no money to repay this. Here i just don't see reason to complain too, because we get what we choose (fun vs charms in this case) b:thanks
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i disagree with u tet
about ur off topic part
barbs dont have disadvantages compared to other classes
in a 1v1situation the same disadvantages u described are also advantages
less ability to zerk means ur losing hp a bit slower then a sin seeker or bm
about the gear thing
idk mny barbs that use barb form in1v1s
ive only seen it in tw and nw where the goal is survival for a barb.
vs casters
casters unless theyre the random unusual will have the lowest pdef
r9r3 veno has less pdef then my tt99/g15/g16 mix bm does UNBUFFED
if ur playing correctly ull be able to reduce their damage to close to laughable and return it 10fold. thats just off of wat ive seen in the lil pk that ive done. ATM all classes bsides seeker seem underpowered. cant tell u how mny times ive seen bms die in a 1v1 with equal gear(skilled and unskilled)
in pk ur gunna win some 1v1s and ur gunna lost some 1v1s. the big thing is to remember that its a game and get back out there and kick their ***!!!!
about charms.
understandable in tw and nw where theres massive hit sfrom all directions at once but if ur taking these hits in pve or even in a 1v1 ur doing something wrong.
in PvE
get ur *** back in bb if bb isnt up tell the cleric to put it up that u need it to survive.(most clerics will laugh call u noob and put bb up so the dmg is lessened.)if ur soloing and are charm reliant well thats ur own damn fault. i feel no sympathy for u
i feel charms should be left as theyre are tick/hp amount wise
make em cheaper tho would help with the farming. i can farm 2-3mil easily every day if i want to.
@GlenRoss
Taxidermi on our server (RogueXXX leader look her up) is full r9r3 JOSD and still goes thru 6-7 charms a tw 2-3 in NW
JOSD lessens dmg to a higher extent on r9s then VIT stones do. however both are reducing dmg.(vit stones give vit which if u read it improves ur phys and magic def.) JOSD (as i understand it) works by decreasing dmg before gear then gear does the rest. vit stones give ur defenses a boost so ur gear dmg reduction is increased. its still a tossup which one is better tbh.
@OP
y in the hell is that barb not a cata barb?
im gunna get alot of tl:dr ik but srsly learning to play ur class means learning how to deal with the dmg coming in. and if u use a charm in regular pvp that gives u no right to QQ about charm prices. that is ur decision to use them in regular PvP rather then save them for TW and NW which are more fun.Servers: Archosaur(PvE US West) and Harshlands (PvP US East)
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lol cata barbs always get bonus charms in serious TW factions...you only purge once #yopo0
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Personally, i would like to see larger charms for sale.
But 1.2 million HP charms are not a bad size.
Alternative solution:
Charm that provides 100 x your Max HP. (so you get 200 ticks out of it.)
This way it, the charm would fit your character.
Drawbacks would be player would QQ cos 60k hp barbs get more charm power over a 20k Psy.
Also, how would PWI price for such an item. One set price or a scaled one?0 -
ok since too many ppl mistake this as qq r999s r too op qq thread ill rephrase my stuff:
do u guys think changing charms would b good? why/why not?0 -
Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »in a 1v1situation the same disadvantages u described are also advantages
less ability to zerk means ur losing hp a bit slower then a sin seeker
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ATM all classes bsides seeker seem underpowered.
Ehm... not sure if kidding or serious, sry...
seekers are op, especially vs melee - but puri-speed on r999 wep of casters is just ridiculous.
Btw, ever heard about caster or bm skills which ignore dmg reduction?0 -
again? ppl saying barbs are weak in pvp? its one of the strongest in 1v1. play ur barb well and ull see b:pleased0
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ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »again? ppl saying barbs are weak in pvp? its one of the strongest in 1v1. play ur barb well and ull see b:pleased
Oh yes, that's why in every pw cn competition barbs win. And all asian hardcore players always take a barb. Or not...
You obviously have no clue. You can't play a barb better than I do.
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Tetream - Lost City wrote: »Oh yes, that's why in every pw cn competition barbs win. And all asian hardcore players always take a barb. Or not...
You obviously have no clue. You can't play a barb better than I do.
/I'll stop here, discussion doesn't make sense.
seems like you have no clue as well. makes it fair0 -
Give me 60k hp and in exchange I'll gladly agree to 2 hp charm hp = 1 me hp.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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