p def debuff genie skills

_Shui - Harshlands

I wanna make a secondary genie for PVE claws. Are there there any other skills like mire that reduce p def?

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Impact and use extreme poison, counts the same, only makes the target take more dmg.

opkossy

Also hollow fist but... well... you can always just check ecatomb or Asterelle's genie calculator.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

OPKossy wrote: »

Also hollow fist but... well... you can always just check ecatomb or Asterelle's genie calculator.

Hollow fist is only for venos btw.

opkossy

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hollow fist is only for venos btw.

This is true, but I have seen crazier than claw venos and he didn't say for just the archer. b:chuckle

_Shui - Harshlands

STR based pve genie with Rentless courage + mire might be better. I can get 5 aps and compared to windshield it wont nerf my sage spark dmg reduction down to 15%. Only downside is that I need to put lots of str to get 2 interval stages like a demon spark and the 30 secs cd.

Kablaab - Dreamweaver

if you're 3.33 base on claws, it would take I believe 180 str total to get to 5.0 with relentless courage. You should be able to get this with genie gears. However, the cool down is 30 seconds, so you cant be 5.0 except for half the time. If you're using Mire as well during your 5.0 phase, this means you're using 188 energy on your genie, so you're going to want that much vitality on your genie - as well as high magic to regenerate that energy within 30 seconds to do your combo again. With 50 magic regenerating 2 per second, you'd get back that energy in 94 seconds. At 100 magic, if I"m thinking right, you're looking at 47 seconds. Pushing up to 120ish would regain you 6 per second which is close to what you're looking for, if you want to combo those skill constantly on longer boss fights. IE, you're soloing PQ boss for example - or maybe a world boss. Otherwise that setup is pretty much a one hit wonder I'm afraid, but good for killing a BH boss fast. On top of all of this, relentless courage lasts for 8 seconds only at max level - at a huge energy cost.

Going with Windshield you get a lower APS bonus which cant be increased, but the duration of it can be increased per skill point added. Level 1 requires 35 energy - leave it there. If spark duration is 15 seconds, you want to regain that energy within 8 seconds for it to be a cost free skill (spam it all day long) This will take you just over 100 magic points. (~110 if I'm thinking right). I wouldn't add more dex in order to increase the duration, if just for PVE - since you can spam it. To the contrary, I would push more vit - and add str for your mire (which of course will be good for your BoA). Since Windshield is easily spammable with enough magic when left at level 1, you can always hit it right before sparking so that you get spark defense bonus > windshield for half of your spark.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Kablaab - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you're 3.33 base on claws, it would take I believe 180 str total to get to 5.0 with relentless courage. You should be able to get this with genie gears. However, the cool down is 30 seconds, so you cant be 5.0 except for half the time. If you're using Mire as well during your 5.0 phase, this means you're using 188 energy on your genie, so you're going to want that much vitality on your genie - as well as high magic to regenerate that energy within 30 seconds to do your combo again. With 50 magic regenerating 2 per second, you'd get back that energy in 94 seconds. At 100 magic, if I"m thinking right, you're looking at 47 seconds. Pushing up to 120ish would regain you 6 per second which is close to what you're looking for

a 100/100 genie would have 200 points to distrubute. 40 count full, 160 count half. So that makes 120 total. Gears can produce 4x6 = 24 points. 144 + starting points means 159 is the maximum you can get on a genie. 2 more if you level it to 104.

And that means of course that you have 5 magic.

your genie recharges 1 + mag/50 per second. So indeed a 50 mag will generate 2 per second. A 100 mag will generate 3 per second. a 120 will generate 3.4 per second.

Did not check if any of the rest what you say is correct.

Kablaab - Dreamweaver

some of my math might be off. someone can probably confirm or deny other stuff of what I've said. I had a moment of second thought about the cost of spamming windshield already, as you'll notice from the colored text above.

lets try it this way, for windshield:

to regain 35 energy in 8 seconds - you'd need to regain 4.375 per second.
we already regain 1 per second regardless, so that leaves us 3.375 per second to stat for
if genies regain .02 energy per second, then:
3.375 / .02 = 168.75 magic points

Zeal starts with 15 magic, and you can put in 40 magic points to get to 55. We still have 60 points to put in from normal base gain, on a level 100 genie. At half cost this brings you to 85. Gear adds of 24 points (which as far as I know do not see the half off penalty) should put it at 109 magic.

Soooo.. even with a 100 LP genie, I guess you really can't get to 169 magic points, much less 180 str. The most I can see you getting is 159 magic at level 100, with 100 LP - and 161 with a level 104 genie.

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Lets look at statting a bit different then..

Zeal Genie:
Dex: 50 (9 seconds duration) = 50 base points
Magic Requirements: 2.9 regen in 9 seconds = 145 magic

again, 40 points puts us to 55. We've still have 10 points to work with, putting us now at 60 magic off of regular point accruement. Gears push this to 84.

With 100 LP, we'd still fall short.

Actually glad I'm working this out now rather than coming to find out down the road that my assumptions were incorrect about it.

_Shui - Harshlands

5 aps already works with 80 str;
This is how I did it

http://i.imagebanana.com/img/qzyr6lr6/20130906154242.png

Just combine with windshield muhahahaa

Kablaab - Dreamweaver

that was a thought I was coming to, having both on the genie. wasn't sure if the effects would stack or not, since I haven't had both on same genie before. I was thinking more along the lines of using relentless, then fill in the gap with wind shield. that is interesting to know. what level of relentless did you go with? it looks like maybe level 1? the duration on that level is only 3.5 seconds though. I suppose thought its enough to get you back another spark and then some, until your genie can't recover enough chi.

without going into the mathematics of it, I'm thinking that in the long run (bigger bosses) your overall dps would be best with windshield spam. Not sure if exhausting genie energy for relentless + windshield for periodic 5.0 spikes would compensate. I might be wrong though, but it would take either some experimenting on a boss with both methods, or some mathematical calculations.

I notice you are looking for a -interval tome, from your other thread. Pan Gu would be the way to go for that next interval step. However, it might be cheaper before going for that one, to step your bracers back down to 99 golds, and go for 99 gold boots as well. You'll get the interval bonus of LA from that. Not that I'm trying to tell you how you should build your archer, but if it were me personally - that would have been the move I would have made first if 4.0 base was my goal - at least until I got the interval tome. I'm sure you're aware an archer *can* be 5.0 base with all the gear options they have for -interval. From there I would have probably gone ahead and upgraded the boots and arms both to g16.

_Shui - Harshlands

Kablaab - Dreamweaver wrote: »

that was a thought I was coming to, having both on the genie. wasn't sure if the effects would stack or not, since I haven't had both on same genie before. I was thinking more along the lines of using relentless, then fill in the gap with wind shield. that is interesting to know. what level of relentless did you go with? it looks like maybe level 1? the duration on that level is only 3.5 seconds though. I suppose thought its enough to get you back another spark and then some, until your genie can't recover enough chi.

without going into the mathematics of it, I'm thinking that in the long run (bigger bosses) your overall dps would be best with windshield spam. Not sure if exhausting genie energy for relentless + windshield for periodic 5.0 spikes would compensate. I might be wrong though, but it would take either some experimenting on a boss with both methods, or some mathematical calculations.

I notice you are looking for a -interval tome, from your other thread. Pan Gu would be the way to go for that next interval step. However, it might be cheaper before going for that one, to step your bracers back down to 99 golds, and go for 99 gold boots as well. You'll get the interval bonus of LA from that. Not that I'm trying to tell you how you should build your archer, but if it were me personally - that would have been the move I would have made first if 4.0 base was my goal - at least until I got the interval tome. I'm sure you're aware an archer *can* be 5.0 base with all the gear options they have for -interval. From there I would have probably gone ahead and upgraded the boots and arms both to g16.

Ive made my Rentless the max possible lvl 3 4.5 secs.But so I can directly use lv 10 mire or have enough chi for windshield after. It works great. Just tried in BH WS

I didnt wanted the tt99 gold bracers+ boots from the begining. No good stats PVP wise. I only sacrifie 0.05 -int but have better overall stats, 5 atk lv bonus and ill replace my boots & helm with g16 ones for the HP bonus.
In this BH WS run I just got the g16 boot mold from snake wohoo

_Shui - Harshlands

HELL YEAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqhxYazMXBY&hd=1

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

lol qingzi

curatomi

If u want to be 5 aps on an archer at relativaly low cost and keep decent PVP stats u should aim for something like this:


http://pwcalc.com/036900d52a7cb33e

If u manage to get tome with interval u could go with G16 robe and helmet for better hp and stats. Ur stats would be better than those cause the only addon im puting on the r8cast parts is the 0.05 int on chest (the 300hp on chest is to compensate the pwicalc that is outdate about the r8c completion).

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

OP is sage, and -int r8r is by no means low cost lol

curatomi

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

OP is sage, and -int r8r is by no means low cost lol

If u can't get enough token and money to recast r8 he already have then is like he should stop trying to pvp rigth there.

_Shui - Harshlands

This is what ill get. Works good pvp + pvehttp://pwcalc.com/2b5a4cf11ce6306d

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

curatomi wrote: »

If u can't get enough token and money to recast r8 he already have then is like he should stop trying to pvp rigth there.

Using tokens to r8r = massive opportunity cost, gg.