Harshlands and veno confusion

JustAllEvil - Harshlands

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see a lot of Venomancers trying to DD instead of doing what they are meant to whenever I get to TW (despite us having a Veno-TW educational thread on the faction forums) so I don't blame you xD

b:shocked Uhm, Long hopefully knows I'm not trying to be a DD in TW!

Venos are 100% support in TW, and I leave fox form as little as possible then being as archers/sins are always on me. Why die more often to **** around and waste a cleric's time rezzing me?

Living > DDing.

I may be independent and all but I go into TW fully expecting to purge/amp/bewitch and not wood mage. (and yes, I agree BMs should be getting sparks)

Also, for 2 sparks if I already have passed chi I'm more likely to use bramble hood to stay alive than my non-sage nova >.> (Might get me dissed but I like living.)

I was originally referring to BH squads, not TW..

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

JustAllEvil - Harshlands wrote: »

I was originally referring to BH squads, not TW..

In PVE, for group of mobs you can use Myriad Rainbow (fox form one) than Noxious Gaz, don't use Parasitic Nova unless you want to be hated by the melee class, during Noxious Gaz CD you can use Venomous Scarab, than after that Noxious Gaz again.

In some rare occasions you can do Parasitic Nova, if everyone is about to die than using it could help to save people, but other than that don't use it on group of mobs.

Or if you are in a GV and know for sure you can one shot the wave with Parasitic Nova than use it, it's the same for Mystics with Gale Force, we cannot use it in WS and Lunar or melee cry about the silence on mobs, but in GV it one shot the mobs so the silence is not a issue.

If you want to be loved and call a great veno by the clerics with who you run, you can pass them chi after he set BB, he will love you forever and will remember it.

For boss amp, use Myriad Rainbow (both can be use) and Ironwood Scarab, than if all those skills are in CD just use Venomous Scarab.

At some boss purge is needed when the boss buff himself. Soul Degeneration can be use too before amp for sage or if your purge is in CD at a boss that heal himself.

But to be honest, on HL, if you amp and purge people will be happy and won't ask for more and if you lend chi to the clerics (after they set BB), the clerics will be all ''Wow a veno that give chi O.o'', I've been call a great veno just for passing chi to the cleric without been ask for.

For the rest you could stand there doing nothing after you did amp and they would not even give a ****.

People that never played veno don't care about veno's capacities or ''DD'' abilities all they want it's amp and purge at the good moment.

HL is a PVP server, with a different mentality than PVE server, people don't give a **** about veno abilities other than amp/purge. It's harsh, but it's the truth. You can try as much as you want, you will never be able to make HL community to change their mind about that.

On HL venos are amp/purge machine PVE or PVP.

So just don't Parasitic Nova on group of mobs unless needed to save people or if it would one shot the mobs, pass chi to the cleric after he set BB (I usually will pass 2 times chi so he have a 2 sparks ready for the next BB), amp/purge/soul degeneration at the appropriate time, debuff with the myriad rainbow and ironwood and you can consider that you did your job well.

RankNine - Momaganon

Kuruaie - Harshlands wrote: »

What a hater. Apologies was the nicest bm ever. He legit cares when he rolls your *** in west.

first time i ever met him was in the coa event anno 2009(i think) where he found it funny to pull certain bosses into my little venomancer. he was a barb back then.

and yeah, it can happen that a full +12 vit stoned bm that never hesitated to abuse every possible glitch in the game before others even knew they existed (for example tt doors or the delta bb glitch) manages to successfully gank or even rarely manages to solo my back then crappy geared non-purify venomancer with a 130 str occult ice genie. so what, i returned the favour a couple of times and 1 shoted his "***". so yeah, you liked him, i didnt. good thing there is such a thing as different opinions, otherwise this forum would be boring

and back to topic: how did this turn into a tw-discussion? i totally agree with longknifes list of supportskills that a veno can pull out during a tw, while working together with others. but tw is only a small part of the week, the rest of the time we are actually either solo, doing stuff or things like warsong. and there a veno can be an amazing tank and DD in one.
thats why i like this class so much, you dont have just one role, you can do and play a lot of different stuff and styles :>

Desdi - Sanctuary

Umm, Parasitic Nova has a 100% chance to freeze the monsters that are sealed o.o

The only cases the freeze doesn't work is when monsters are immune to it such as Lunar, Earth path in Warsong and a couple of waves in Delta. I might be missing something but that's more or less it. Otherwise there's no reason for a Venomancer not to use Parasitic Nova to stunlock monsters in Delta or on the Metal/Water paths, bonus points if it's Demon and has the curse effect.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

and there a veno can be an amazing tank and DD in one.

Unless the veno is R9rr+12, people won't take a veno as DD on HL unless they don't have a other option.

Sometime when people ask for a DD I'll pm from veno and mystic with the same weapon, my veno get no invite, but my mystic does.

HL's mentality is venos are not DD, try as hard as you want to change that you won't be able.

I would personally not go in a instance with a veno as tank on HL. Back in caster nirvy time I was R8 and even R9 veno wasn't able to get aggro on any other casters with lower weapon.

Veno have the survivability to tank, but 0 aggro skills and not the DD power to keep the aggro against other class. (people with similar gears/weapon)

Of course if it's a squad of a cleric, 4 wizz R8+5 and a veno R9rr+10 than obviously the veno will be able to hold aggro, but with other class R9rr same refine the veno won't be able to hold aggro. I never saw a veno steal aggro on a APS char either while some casters and archers can.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Umm, Parasitic Nova has a 100% chance to freeze the monsters that are sealed o.o

The only cases the freeze doesn't work is when monsters are immune to it such as Lunar, Earth path in Warsong and a couple of waves in Delta. I might be missing something but that's more or less it. Otherwise there's no reason for a Venomancer not to use Parasitic Nova to stunlock monsters in Delta or on the Metal/Water paths, bonus points if it's Demon and has the curse effect.

I don't have it demon, maybe I just got the bad luck to see venos do it in place where the mobs was immune, cause I saw bm/sin rage at that. xD

Desdi - Sanctuary

I'm not gonna argue the DD of Venomancers and all but..if that R9 Venomancer couldn't keep aggro off the R8 people..then they must have been doing something wrong O.o was she sparking at all?
I've been able to keep aggro off and tank Caster Nirvana with R8 quite a few times if I sparked as much as possible. Wizard/Psychic/Mystic either had lower refines or didn't spark as much as me/at all. Just surprised to hear about that R9 xD

I don't have it demon, maybe I just got the bad luck to see venos do it in place where the mobs was immune, cause I saw bm/sin rage at that. xD

Yeah, there are some places where Nova shouldn't be used, period. It doesn't work the same way as Mystic Gale Force/Thicket though xD

Eoria - Harshlands

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not gonna argue the DD of Venomancers and all but..if that R9 Venomancer couldn't keep aggro off the R8 people..then they must have been doing something wrong O.o was she sparking at all?
I've been able to keep aggro off and tank Caster Nirvana with R8 quite a few times if I sparked as much as possible. Wizard/Psychic/Mystic either had lower refines or didn't spark as much as me/at all. Just surprised to hear about that R9 xD

Mystic must not be using Storm Mistress on last boss. Even r9 +12 mages had a hard time keeping aggro off of that thing. b:surrender

Desdi - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Mystic must not be using Storm Mistress on last boss. Even r9 +12 mages had a hard time keeping aggro off of that thing. b:surrender

Don't even get there..don't even...so many Mystics who were too lazy to summon it

Eoria - Harshlands

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Don't even get there..don't even...so many Mystics who were too lazy to summon it

My entire MO on mystic for that boss: summon Mistress, spam heal+transfer mana to it, drop spidervine, drop demon thicket, and put down vital herb if people were having trouble living. gg boss.

Yet again, you have people in the mystic forums saying that they legit used Cragglord in caster like it was OP or something...

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Mystic must not be using Storm Mistress on last boss. Even r9 +12 mages had a hard time keeping aggro off of that thing. b:surrender

The evolved Herc is like that now, it's crazy he got aggro on everything, I tested and even a R9rr+12 Archer cannot steal aggro from the Herc, but some place even with only healing the Herc he die cause he cannot handle the damage of the boss. (WTB BB for Herc =P)

Maybe I'll check one day to put protection skill on him or something.

Sint - Harshlands

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

There's an economic theory that states if Germany can produce 110 thousand cars and 60 thousand wine bottles within the period of 3 months, whereas France can produce only 45 thousand cars but 95 thousand wine bottles in 3 months, then Germany should halt production of wine and focus solely on cars while France stops producing cars and focuses solely on wine, then the two trade with each other and we end up with more cars and wine for everyone.


That's the jist of what it means to be a veno, sin, seeker, mystic, BM, or any other would-be DD class.
Yes, of course EVERY class is capable of DDing, it's just that Wizards, Archers and Psys are the three that DD the best and DD better, more easily and more frequently/drastically than the others. To make a healthy team, you want everyone focusing on the job they do best and doing that on behalf of the team. Again, the above three DD best, whereas classes such as veno have other jobs they do better than anyone else and should therefore focus on (in veno's case, purging).


And that's why veno is a secondary, part-time support DD and not a full-time DD.

Germany should indeed abstain from producing wine. That economic theory, however, is over simplified bull****. The argument i would level against it, much like Denett's counter-chinese room argument, is basically the huge amount of factors it ignores in order to make the conclusion simple.

To make a healthy gaming environment, however, you want everyone focusing on what they CAN do with their toon, and becoming halfway decent, rather than doing what they usually do, which is, in general, whine about how very decent they are. This makes for a lot more variety, which makes the game a lot more playable and interesting. I think anyone playing a wizzard knows that his calling is not healing, and anyone playing a cleric should feel that his IS. IF, however, the situation requires it, The wiz should remember he CAN heal, and if the situation allows it, the cleric should remember he can debuff/DD

Kniraven - Lost City

Lol what???

Sint - Harshlands

JustAllEvil - Harshlands wrote: »

LOL. I have no problem holding my own in PvP, including people with better gear.

PvE is just not my strength.

Again, I'd love to see more actual PvP venos on Harshlands...

b:chuckle

JustAllEvil - Harshlands

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

b:chuckle

This thread never ends

I'll say right now, as ill advised as I'm aware this is, I'll 1vs1 anybody on the server. b:chuckle

(And there are plenty who can beat me...)