Sin demon and farming

Jessepinkman - Raging Tide

So my friend told me how easy is to die solo squad mode 3-3 even with +10 aps gear and r9rrr weap+10/+12. Friend told me its easy with r9t3 armour and weap,.much more defense ofc. I was thinkin of makin t3 LA nirvana armour and daggs or maybe r8r daggs for 30def lvs+hopefully somethin usefull too. What could Idk, all imac citrine +5 t3 nirvy la sin with same refined t3 daggs/r8r def lv daggs solo in tt squad mode.

SmexyChelsea - Raging Tide

As long as you got 10k hp buffed and some decent pdef you should be fine. t3 is way better for farming imo, easier -int.. Attack llvls why bother with r8r.. I'd say its a waste of time getting it. It's only pve def levels wouldnt matter much. Oh and to answer your questions about what you can farm.. If you can predict boss moves such as what they say, it'd help you lots to know what debuffs are coming. Then you can pretty much solo 3-3 with 9k hp or something also def charms help alot

WannaBM - Archosaur

Few TT bosses are "in between". Most of them are virtually passive punching bags while some are pretty darn hard and almost impossible to solo even with really good gear.

In 3-1 Collusseast is the only really hard one. Its a lotery, sometimes he just does the wrong combi of debuffs (after purge) before you have a spark to purify it and hits you for 10k+. While sometimes you can AD until you can spark again, he may just do it again right after your next spark when AD is on cooldown.
Steelation is shocking when you first run into his APS but once you get used to it you just walk away and hes pretty much a breeze too.

3-2 i never do cuz the mats are worthless according to my accountant.

3-3 Still Collusseast is badass.
Illusion lord is impossible to solo i believe. You just need 1 weak ally who can glitch him for you and he's super easy.
Twighlight emperor and steelation are b!tches. Cant say much about how well soloable they are cuz i didnt try them enough.


It may be that i dont have enough experience if i find these difficult. All others are pretty easy, you just punch them and they die after a minute or 2.
First thing i would do is to throw out of the window your wish to truely solo and at least dual client so that you can glitch illiusion lord. Against Steelation a dual client cleric is nice because if you do *** up and die, clerics can pretty well tank steelations and ranged attack and you can rez yourself in fight.
I believe my friend does Colluseast 3-1 dual client with cleric but with a moderately low succesrate and he often dual dies and has to start again. Bring scrolls on the cleric if you want to do this.

Myself, even with scrolls, i dont feel like going trough all the **** of dying and stuff, so i prefer to play with my friend, both dual clienting for a complete team of BM,barb,cleric,sin. It makes the runs more fun to not be alone, less stressfull to know there is someone to back you up if you make a little mistake and so much faster also. If i do dual client "solo" TT, i usually go for 2-3. or i skip colluseast. 2-3 mats are surisingly good value.

I do it all uncharmed though. For a test i have once soloed Colluseast 3-2 or 3-3 not sure, with one of the tiny charms that you get from your starting boxes. I was able to do it now, but the charm ran out prematurely. I estimated it would cost me about 250k HPs on the charm. Note that Colluseast 3-1 uses more debuffs than the higher level ones. So while 3-1 may still 1-hit you sometimes regardless of charm, the higher level ones while doing more damage without their tricks, will do less high of a spike damage with their debuffs.

I am farming TT to make money, not to lose it, so no charms for me. I suppose a charm should allow me to solo everything except illusion lord in TT, but what use is it if it costs you half a charm per run ? Id rather bring a friend than a charm.

This is me btw. I do think a sin can do the same things with a bit less HPs because they have some other skills to use and a bit more painheals because of 20% more dmg with the same equipment.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

Jessepinkman - Raging Tide wrote: »

So my friend told me how easy is to die solo squad mode 3-3 even with +10 aps gear and r9rrr weap+10/+12. Friend told me its easy with r9t3 armour and weap,.much more defense ofc. I was thinkin of makin t3 LA nirvana armour and daggs or maybe r8r daggs for 30def lvs+hopefully somethin usefull too. What could Idk, all imac citrine +5 t3 nirvy la sin with same refined t3 daggs/r8r def lv daggs solo in tt squad mode.

One thing to remember in 3-3 is a lot of bosses can be annoying. Some runs I dont tick once, sometimes I end up dying to something/using 200kish charm. Reason what really allows sins to solo is enough defenses to not die and enough BP regen to heals yourself so you dont destroy charms. High dps also allows good coin/time ratio. Due T3 armors lacking aps, I`d never get those for farming, if you arent support farmer aka have some high tier aps sin tanking and you are just there debuffing bosses/etc.

As for +5 with BTs? That cant solo really anything relevant, sins require fair bit of base gear till they can solo anything useful.

Unholly - Morai

Defence from Gear
Damage from Weapon

T3 are in my opinion are the best daggers for solo farming you can get, reasoning:

-They can give int rather easily, most other daggers (r9+,r8r). More int = More chi = Sparking FTW

-T3 daggers are still going to give you a lot of defence though blood suck.

-Gof/SS proc doesnt sound much, 5% hp, the common argument being x2 damage from it = bp heals covering the 5%. This is true but your overall BP heals will be lower than if you didnt have it. At 4 aps your daggers can suddenly go hmmm.... nom say goodbye to 20% hp. This maybe why your friend was saying he was struggling in 3-3, also bad luck and inexperience are going to be big factors in soloing this instance.

-30 Defence will lower bosses damage by a bit but not much. Defence levels are generally not the way to go in pve, due to you needing to stack a lot of them to see a big difference if damage received and well.... defence levels are expensive. HP+ pdef is normally cheaper and easier to get.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Unholly - Morai wrote: »

Defence from Gear
Damage from Weapon

source?

refining your g16 weapon more while leaving the g12 armors at +8 and stating vit is more efficient than +10 **** armor and having pure dex braggind rights.

also, until recently, DoTs were way cheaper than citrines so you could do the equivalent conversion.... blindly following aphorisms like those only harm your wallet by restricting what you can do (and our gear choises are pretty restricted to begin with unless you get a lucky 2/3x int roll xd)

Unholly - Morai

You just quoted the source (me), of course I am generalising and it is my opinion. But for a class that relies on damage to heal its self i dont really see the problem with this statement.

From my experience i have never meet a sin that has gone DoT without already having the defences to support such a sharding option. If you get a defensive weapon and then shard to compensate, you will be locking yourself in to a very very restricted gear choice. e.g. if you ever decide to upgrade your gear you would potentially be looking at a rather major gear overhaul, reshard and new weapon(you know seeing as there is only one set of daggers which give defensive stats). Might hurt your walet more in the long run. f:naughty

So are you saying you would suggest r8r daggers to the OP? If so i would be interested to hear why. Or are you just here to nitpick? b:surrender

EDIT: hehe straps daggers to body, beats at boss with breast plate.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Unholly - Morai wrote: »

So are you saying you would suggest r8r daggers to the OP? If so i would be interested to hear why. Or are you just here to nitpick? b:surrender

oh definetely no to r8r daggers, i'd suggest g16 with int. not rerolling till you get -int with dex/attack while discarding rolls with -int + hp though xD

for the record, going from 4aps to 5aps gives a huge boost in attack that you can pretty much stat a ton of vit and have better attack and defenses than using more 'defensive' gear instead of the standard aps set.

but yeah, mostly nitpicking b:surrender

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Int and any add except accuracy and magic would be a roll worth keeping for farming. My dags give 700hp, and 1k hp w/ sage barb buff, thats a lot.

Salari - Raging Tide

You dont need top tier daggers to solo 3-3, i did it with r8 daggers for a long time @ 3.33 aps. Bp is just a small part of surviving the bosses in that instance. Defenses is what keeps you alive in most scenario's not bp. BP can't save you from massive hits, it can only regen what you lost. That is the main reason you want to balance you gear damage and defense wise.

I would suggest getting blood frenzy, it is great for tons of heals when you get purged so your genie can regen for ad for recasting bp. The use of defense charms help out lot too. There were many times I got purged from gba boss and survived on crabs alone as my genie was in cd and could not cast ad to recast bp. Have good defenses is what saved me.

The only thing G16 and R9RS3 did when they were released is doing more damage, not creating more defense(unless you use some of the armors). You can have all the bp heals in the world you want, but if you cant take the bosses hits, bp is pointless.

WannaBM - Archosaur

hmm.

Yes, 30 defence levels should reduce your damage intake by about 25% or so. (cuz i assume you already have 15 defence levels from omaley, seems strange to me to use an r8 dagger for defence levels while using jones)

For me at 4aps, i recieve about 400Hp/s healing from BP and crabs add another 350HP/s for 800 total or so with the natural regeneration included.

So if you receive 25% less damage, 200 less HPs healing per second would get you to the same balance of damage incoming vs healing. Half the amount of BP that is !

So yes those defence levels are very significant compared to your paint heals and thus if your r8r weapon does no less than half the damage than your G16, it will allow you to survive better.

But i still vote for the G16 dagger because speed is a valuable thing when doing TT runs and i prefer to just try and push up my damage output and thus painheals than to reduce my damage output and go for defences because we do TT for the profit so faster killing = more profit. And when you say you survive GBA @ 3.33, i suspect that is charmed (or with cleric ofc, but thats a wholy different thing) When using a charm, you definately want your battle to be over ASAP.

Salari - Raging Tide

[QUOTE=WannaBM - Archosaur;19651771
And when you say you survive GBA @ 3.33, i suspect that is charmed (or with cleric ofc, but thats a wholy different thing) When using a charm, you definately want your battle to be over ASAP.[/QUOTE]

Yes I do use a charm, but more for cost benefit than protection. I looked at how many pots I used vs just going with a charm, or a charm + pots.If i take another toon with me it is my barb mainly for Illusion Lord and debuffing gba boss. What I noted above there was a few times I did get a charm tick, which was usualy me not potting, massive attack or not paying attention. I dont farm hardly at all in TT anymore (got tired of it) and in the end I was just using a charm. The only charm ticking I would get would be minister or illusion lord, I lost patience with gba/aps in 3-3 and I usualy skipped emp when I could solo him for the same reason.

Now days I just merchant stuff, tele's oht pstones ect. When I farm even during 2x is it usualy badges/molds, dq fb instances and card bosses. I even had a friend bet me once they could get more coin selling heads than I could farming 3 bosses in brim... ofcourse he lost b:chuckle

WannaBM - Archosaur

Too bad your on a different server. If you were on archo, i would go and watch you solo GBA with so little charm ticks that its more cost efficient than crabs right now......

How can you only get charm ticks from minister who doesnt really do anything but not from GBA who is just about the nastiest boss in TT ?

Salari - Raging Tide

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Too bad your on a different server. If you were on archo, i would go and watch you solo GBA with so little charm ticks that its more cost efficient than crabs right now......

How can you only get charm ticks from minister who doesnt really do anything but not from GBA who is just about the nastiest boss in TT ?

Mainly because minister will seal/sleep/whatever a lot more than gba will purge. When I mean gba I mean 3-1, 3-3 is quite a bit harder but not as irritating as minister in my opinion.

Oh my charms are free, well cost wise. I use event gold for them