New Aba/SoT

zuwaga
zuwaga Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2013 in General Discussion
Congrats on **** over anyone that isn't 101+ with R9+ gear. There is no way a squad of 6(yes i know you can have 10 now) at level 99-100 in TT gear can do this instance now. Let alone farm skill books and whatnot. That is what this was designed for. Anyone who isn't an alt or have some well geared friends can kiss getting 99 culti goodbye.

Solution: Move port npc to the enterance so people can port to bh/culti mobs. Easy simple not alot of code changes.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    zuwaga wrote: »
    Congrats on **** over anyone that isn't 101+ with R9+ gear. There is no way a squad of 6(yes i know you can have 10 now) at level 99-100 in TT gear can do this instance now. Let alone farm skill books and whatnot. That is what this was designed for. Anyone who isn't an alt or have some well geared friends can kiss getting 99 culti goodbye.

    Solution: Move port npc to the enterance so people can port to bh/culti mobs. Easy simple not alot of code changes.

    did you try it?b:bye
    aba is a piece of cake even with not so well geared players...now if you expect to do the instance with a bunch of undergeared random class fc babies then yeah, u'll have a hard time.
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    yes you can do this with tt99 gear bh aba is a disaster to a lot of people in this game and I think it's funny as hell to see idiots die by stinking rocks or the epic game plan you need for a simple boss such as the puppet master omg people fail so much in this game even with the new s3 gear and rank 9...and that goes for the ones that do know how to play their class but are just that idiotic.

    I did 10 runs last night in aba I think the rocks killed more people.
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  • Untamed_pain - Archosaur
    Untamed_pain - Archosaur Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You don't need to be R9 to do the instance. You just need well geared friends. Aba/Sot is fun. My seeker in 2 lvls (she is almost 98) will have to do SOT i'm not afraid. b:victory Hate to see you complain when your 100 and its a bh b:chuckle
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Silly OP~
    If you or your party members have <4k HP (a.k.a, the ones who die to the rocks) and lack the attention-span to observe what the bosses are doing and to act accordingly, then you probably shouldn't be there to begin with.
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  • zuwaga
    zuwaga Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    you still cant do it with 6 people in TT gear which is what is is designed for. And yes I've done the instance.

    And to Untamed_pain you point out the problem exactly. You said you just need some well geared friends. That highlights everything wrong with this instance. Boss is a joke with 10 people, but the original instance and boss was designed for a squad of 6 in no higher than TT gear, who do not even have all their skills maxed yet. It cant be done with a group like that in its current state.
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Silly OP~
    If you or your party members have <4k HP (a.k.a, the ones who die to the rocks) and lack the attention-span to observe what the bosses are doing and to act accordingly, then you probably shouldn't be there to begin with.

    we had a 3.5k hp cleric. ofc he wasnt an idiot and used his skills so he passed fine
    zuwaga wrote: »
    you still cant do it with 6 people in TT gear which is what is is designed for.

    but the original instance and boss was designed for a squad of 6 in no higher than TT gear, who do not even have all their skills maxed yet. It cant be done with a group like that in its current state.

    even if this is true... who gives a ****? should eveything stay static just because in the far past something was designed differently? it's not like it needs 1000 people, 10 people are easy to get...

    so, did you try to do it with a 6 people squad with TT, trying variations, different strategies and failed? or you just got owned once and gave up?
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  • zuwaga
    zuwaga Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I am just pointing out that the boss is overly difficult for what the instance is designed for. 6 people in TT gear, skills not maxed cant do it. Seems poorly thought out.

    To PotatoHead and Euthymius try reading what I have written again, slow this time so you can understand.
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    zuwaga wrote: »
    I am just pointing out that the boss is overly difficult for what the instance is designed for. 6 people in TT gear, skills not maxed cant do it. Seems poorly thought out.

    the instance was designed for 10 people. what a previous instance was designed for is irrelevant.

    and I'm asking for evidence to support your claim because I think that they can.

    zuwaga wrote: »
    To PotatoHead and Euthymius try reading what I have written again, slow this time so you can understand.
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  • Professor_X - Heavens Tear
    Professor_X - Heavens Tear Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Ponies Attack!!!

    I would of thought you guys with the pony sigs would ban together for rainbow time, not to pounce on a mid geared player.

    On the other hand.. just because there is a bh for Abba doesn't mean you have to do it.. Stick with Metal/RB until you get gear to do the others. It's always nice to have something to work for.

    Also, QQ because I can no longer solo SoT/Abba which is what I'm guessing they had in mind when making these changes.

    P.S. The guy above me posts way to much for having nothing to say.
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Professor_X - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    On the other hand.. just because there is a bh for Abba doesn't mean you have to do it.. Stick with Metal/RB until you get gear to do the others. It's always nice to have something to work for.

    I don't see how you can do/contribute to RB/Metal and not in Aba/SoT bh.
    especially in the sot bh.
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    zuwaga wrote: »
    i Am Just Pointing Out That The Boss Is Overly Difficult For What The Instance Is Designed For. 6 People In Tt Gear, Skills Not Maxed Cant Do It. Seems Poorly Thought Out.
    To Potatohead And Euthymius Try Reading What I Have Written Again, Slow This Time So You Can Understand.
    zuwaga wrote: »
    congrats On **** Over Anyone That Isn't 101+ With R9+ Gear.

    There Is No Way A Squad Of 6(yes I Know You Can Have 10 Now) At Level 99-100 In Tt Gear Can Do This Instance Now.

    >it can Be Done With Decently Refined Tt90/tt99 Who Know What They're Doing. Chances Are, Though, You Won't Have A Squad Comprised Solely Of Such Players But Will End Up With Several Who'll "out-gear" The Instance. If You Still Can Not Do It Under Such Circumstances, Well...

    >it Doesn't Have To Be Done With Only 6 Players - Restricting Your Party That Way Now When The Instance Is Harder But Allows For 4 Others Of Any Class Is Unnecessary.

    Let Alone Farm Skill Books And Whatnot. That Is What This Was Designed For. Anyone Who Isn't An Alt Or Have Some Well Geared Friends Can Kiss Getting 99 Culti Goodbye.

    >funny, Never Heard Of Any Parties Being Formed For Book Farming...maybe Because It Was Done By Those Who Could Solo/duo The Instances Because Their Drop-rate Was Abysmal. I Guess Puppeteer Was Also Included To Hamper Solo-farming.


    solution: Move Port Npc To The Entrance So People Can Port To Bh/culti Mobs. Easy Simple Not Alot Of Code Changes.

    god Forbid That You Have To Get By Some Easily Avoided Falling Rocks, A Few Mobs And A Mildly Annoying Boss To Freely Teleport To The Other Culti-bosses With A Party Of Up To 10 Players Who Can Be Geared Anywhere Between/lower Than Tt90 To R9.3...
    professor_x - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ponies Attack!!!

    I Would Of Thought You Guys With The Pony Sigs Would Ban Together For Rainbow Time, Not To Pounce On A Mid Geared Player.
    but Nonsense Go So Well With My tea...
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  • Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,541 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'm pretty low-geared (TT90/Mold/FF Green/+2-3/5k HP/etc) but I still managed to do BH's just fine...

    The rocks don't have to be hard... Just use your skills, pay good attention, and take your time on the middle part if your Genie isn't full enough yet for another 2x Holy Path (I almost died once making that mistake)... And if you happen to die (can happen if you run out of luck), don't try to get yourself ressed while you're in the middle of the rocks... It's just a really bad idea, ok... Just go back to town instead... Ppl will wait for you...

    Actually, the rocks are usually the only thing that actually takes most of the time for the whole squad to get through... Puppeteer boss is also easy if you know what you're doing... you don't even need 10 ppl to kill it... Had no problems in SoT yet either... So maybe you're just not doing it right? f:ponder
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  • SakuLv - Dreamweaver
    SakuLv - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    of course BH is easy in sot and aba
    New weekly Aba is kinda OK for average geared ppl ...but SoT... f:shh lol.... i think u need to have at least couple R9s in ur squad to kill HellFire

    most ppl with 5-6k hp die first
    im 102 veno with 10k hp..and if that cleric with his 6-7k hp is killed..its a squad wipe, of course last ones standing r barbs and some r9s


    so if pwi wont make it tiny tiny easier...well... tt90-g16 (+5/+6 refines) wont be survivors
    i been in already 10 squads...we tried to do wha we had to do with those adds, move in traps...or even just try to kill boss fast...f:faint but..squad wipes mostly
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  • Glaydross - Sanctuary
    Glaydross - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    My personal concern is for the people who have Spirit Cultivation and FB's in Seat of Torment or Abaddon. They don't have either the high gear or any/very little experience in doing those instances. I also know of some high level clerics (lvl 100+) who swear they will NOT do Aba until the flaming rocks at the beginning are removed!
  • Kicsician - Raging Tide
    Kicsician - Raging Tide Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    any1 can tell me where can i find Peach blossom in the new Abba ?
  • Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,541 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Kicsician - Raging Tide wrote: »
    any1 can tell me where can i find Peach blossom in the new Abba ?

    Can't you teleport to it through "Old Aba" like you do to reach the BH boss? f:ponder

    Also to some of the more experienced ppl here... Is the Hellfire really THAT bad now? And I've kinda wondered for a while now... Is doing the SoT Culti (and up) even good for anything aside from upgrading the looks of your Fairy? I know there are a few lvl 100 Skill Books that require the highest Cultivation... But it's not like they're being used a whole lot by F2P players anyway, right? f:confused

    And did anyone managed to find out yet if the Veno form quest in SoT still works... Not that it would be my problem since I already have it... But there are still many Veno's out there that have yet to do the quest... And having only the option of paying 30 Gold for it is just unacceptable while it was supposed to be free if you where willing to put effort in it... The new SoT kinda worries them for this reason so... f:sweat
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Tele to Headless in Aba and just go to where Peach used to be.

    Also, veno quests should work considering the mobs are still there. Just in different spots.
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  • Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,541 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Also, veno quests should work considering the mobs are still there. Just in different spots.

    And the NPC they need to talk to... The one that was pretty much near the entrance at the 1st turn after killing a few mobs?

    Edit: For some more information... The NPC was called Tien Yan and was located here... The Mobs need where 10 Withered Revenants which used to be where the Blue dots are (no idea where they are now)... Anyone who can sort this out will make a lot of Veno's happy... Especially those who have yet to make it to 100... b:thanks
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Glaydross - Sanctuary wrote: »
    My personal concern is for the people who have Spirit Cultivation and FB's in Seat of Torment or Abaddon. They don't have either the high gear or any/very little experience in doing those instances. I also know of some high level clerics (lvl 100+) who swear they will NOT do Aba until the flaming rocks at the beginning are removed!

    ...
    No one has much/any experience entering an instance or an area for the first time - doesn't mean they cant ask for help from someone who has, read up on it, or just learn from any mistakes made there. If they're at the appropriate level with appropriate gear (or at least something close like well refined TT 90/Morai 95 [FREE]/TT99) or better, then it'd just be a matter of figuring it out.

    Clerics have it the easiest - they can (stack) heal themselves occasionally as they pass through.

    (I seriously hope you're kidding about the cleric thing)

    Only SoT seems to be a bit harder than (what I think) it should be, but Abaddon's a breeze.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Ran a BH RB on wiz with a 7.x K MP cleric (fail amount of mag). I have to pot because I'm barely getting healed. What do I see at the Mysterious Man? -That cleric on a sweet ride (mammoth) ! So I'm left to believe they used my pots to pay for their fashion and other vanities.

    In MANY instances; the under-geared players are alts of people who are either too lazy to account stash proper gears or sink all their coin into a main. In that case again - using everyone else in the squad.

    I used to run caster nirvana, and saw someone in it all the time. After months of making millions a day; their stats: ~5k hp, +5 weapon never changed! They weren't pulling their weight and I finally decided to leave any squad they were in (though the common group of people stopped taking them when I said why).

    Other people just like to pk and don't mind losing stuff.

    People being under geared for legit reasons is very rare. If the situation cleans up the parasites: I'll be happy.
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  • TheFire - Lost City
    TheFire - Lost City Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    you don't need R9 or what not to do this you just don't need to be a frost baby. now people need to know what there doing to get this done and you need to work as a squad. I love it b:dirty
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  • Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,541 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    tweakz wrote: »
    If the situation cleans up the parasites: I'll be happy.

    And yet they failed to clean up this cute little parasite here... But then again, I'm just a DD and my friends want me to tag allong anyway for my cheerful and amusing personality... f:grin
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  • tweakz
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    edited June 2013
    TheFire - Lost City wrote: »
    you don't need R9 or what not to do this you just don't need to be a frost baby. now people need to know what there doing to get this done and you need to work as a squad. I love it b:dirty

    FFC has nothing to do with it and has been discussed here many times. It takes a single day to learn to play a new class better than the average person. I know this because I've raised so many alts for the purpose of them buffing. I take a day to learn the class and am appalled at what most others have been and are getting away with! -These are ones that have been around since the first year!

    I'll take the person that can learn a class in a day any day!
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Hellfire Abomination might actually get ugly.

    The flaming rocks in Abaddon hit pretty hard...but they come in waves so you can get yourself through without getting hit too often if you just watch the rocks before running. I'd run along the edge of one of the cliffs too. I usually don't get hit more than once for each segment of rock area.

    Some people are running almost-naked alts through...I'd really like to see who actually dies to the rocks.
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  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    zuwaga wrote: »
    Congrats on **** over anyone that isn't 101+ with R9+ gear. There is no way a squad of 6(yes i know you can have 10 now) at level 99-100 in TT gear can do this instance now. Let alone farm skill books and whatnot. That is what this was designed for. Anyone who isn't an alt or have some well geared friends can kiss getting 99 culti goodbye.

    Solution: Move port npc to the enterance so people can port to bh/culti mobs. Easy simple not alot of code changes.

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  • zuwaga
    zuwaga Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    again mitachi I know it uses bigger words than cat in the hat, but read all my posts a couple times. Read slow and very carefully. In fact read it a couple of times so you can grasp the concept. I don't have any problems in this instance but for a squad of 6 people who are just entering in level appropriate gear are screwed.
  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    zuwaga wrote: »
    again mitachi I know it uses bigger words than cat in the hat, but read all my posts a couple times. Read slow and very carefully. In fact read it a couple of times so you can grasp the concept. I don't have any problems in this instance but for a squad of 6 people who are just entering in level appropriate gear are screwed.

    I read your first post. And thats why it was made for 10 people.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Glaydross - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I also know of some high level clerics (lvl 100+) who swear they will NOT do Aba until the flaming rocks at the beginning are removed!

    if a cleric can't get past the rocks I'd rather not have him/her in squad. how squishy can they be? our 3.5k cleric passed just fine... are they of the "-I cant DD on this tower, it's immune to metal. -eeerm plume shot? -that's metal lol" breed?
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Also to some of the more experienced ppl here... Is the Hellfire really THAT bad now? And I've kinda wondered for a while now... Is doing the SoT Culti (and up) even good for anything aside from upgrading the looks of your Fairy? I know there are a few lvl 100 Skill Books that require the highest Cultivation... But it's not like they're being used a whole lot by F2P players anyway, right? f:confused

    some tips for hellfire:
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    hp charms
    crabs

    1 cleric BB + 1 IH on tank if necessary + a healer for puller/squishies
    psy aoe heals

    again mitachi I know it uses bigger words than cat in the hat, but read all my posts a couple times. Read slow and very carefully. In fact read it a couple of times so you can grasp the concept. I don't have any problems in this instance but for a squad of 6 people who are just entering in level appropriate gear are screwed.

    or you could read what everyone is saying, namely that the instance is for 10 people and there is absolutely no reason that it should be do-able with 6, let alone that you have given no reason to justify your claim that it's undoable with 6 people, especially if we are talking about aba. it appears that it's you that cant read...
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I don't understand why you insist on the squad set up of 6 people with TT90/99 gear.

    Old Seat of Torment and Abaddon were designed for that. New Seat of Torment and Abaddon aren't. The revamped instances are designed for a squad of 10.

    Hellfire is indeed a little too hard than it should be but otherwise the instances are doable for a squad of 10, even in mediocre gear, at least as far as BH is concerned. Generally, you need a decent Cleric or two and a decent tank and people that know what they are doing.

    Also, it's quite unlikely that in a squad of 10 people, every single one will have mediocre gear. There will be at least a few people with really good or even top tier gear that will make running the full instance doable. Don't forget friends and faction exist too.

    If you need the cultivation, in the worst case you can wait until you hit lvl100 and get yourself better gear. Your best bet at completing your cultivation is relying on your friends & faction anyway; that's not just for Seat/Aba but for TT3-x and Delta that are just as hard for someone who lacks gear. Running such things with random people is usually a bad idea.

    Book farming? It's harder now yes. I'll give you that, but I'm positive that's one of the things they tried to counter attack; people being able to solo these instances for book drops. Whether that was a good or a bad thing is up to each individual's opinion.
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  • Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear
    Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear Posts: 879 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I don't understand what the issue is. If you know that originally 6 with decent gear was able to run it, and now you can squad 10, what's the problem? Add 4 more people to your squad. 10 people with decent gear can run this. Why would you still insist on running with 6, when it's not hard to add 4 more. How is it screwed up? They are trying to get people to squad instances like the old days, instead of being able to solo. This is a good thing, not a bad one. Your making it sound like squadding more than 6 is an issue. I actually hope they make WS and Lunar harder and make it so you can squad 10. That would make it challenging. With the OP gear out, you can already solo WS and Lunar. They also need to fix Nirvi and make it harder, add mobs, tougher bosses. I don't see a problem.
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