Color Infusor ---> The girls would love this, so would devs

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

I have an idea my friends think is really good.

I suggest that we be able to swap the colors of two pieces of fashion. Here is how it would work.

Item one = red
Item two = blue

In the window, drag fashion items one and two into the two slots. This process will cost a certain number of black/white/red dyes.

The idea behind this is, you are essentially 'dying' two pieces of fashion, by switching the colors. So it stands to reason, no dye is more expensive that black/white/red dyes, so they can be used in place of any other color in terms of pricing. For example, if Item one requires 2 dyes, and item two requires 4 dyes, the total number of black/white/red dyes required to color swap would be 2+4 = 6 dyes.

Click transfuse, the 6 dyes get consumed.

Now,

item one = blue
item two = red

This could please many fashion addicts out there, while also generating a lot of profit for PWI. Oftentimes I have a piece of fashion for which there is no dye. The only way to get a matching piece of fashion is to either spend a fortune on random dyes (usually futile, so people stop trying) or settle for a subpar color to match it with. With this system, any piece of fashion which has just the right shade could be used for its color, to place it onto the fashion of your choice, to finally get the match you want---for a price.

Not trying to get black or white or red dyes here for cheaper, just allow fashion fanatics to have access to currently difficult to access color matching, if they are willing to pay the price in, say, black or white dyes, to get that perfect color.

Cheers,

Aeliah

Veneir - Dreamweaver

But then we'd be able to get a bunch of(or just one I guess) fairy boots which only take one dye to colour, dye those and transfer the colour onto the clothing we actually want dyed, and be able to get all our colours way cheaper aka one dye

I thought of something like this at one point, saw the loophole and was like "oop, that'd be awesome to exploit if it was a thing x3 but PWI nor dye merchents would want that~"
[Cheinkun stones aren't really 'that' expensive, and, unless you're talking about it taking like 875675 of them it'd probabily make a huge difference for colours like red and black OTL]

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

No, you missed a vital point, it would take the item the color is getting transferred onto into account. Would be more to get really rare colors onto fashion sets, not to save money. They could tweak the $ side of it so it wouldn't be a loss to dye merchants (not that this is PWI's main concern, they'd rather people buying straight from boutique).

If item one cost 1 pigment, and item 2 cost 20 pigment, you'd get a chienkun cost rather higher than if item 1 cost 1 pigment and item 2 also cost 1 pigment.

Veneir - Dreamweaver

I didn't 'miss' it, you never actually elaborated the mechanical details to begin with x3. In fact that was what the black disclaimer text was entireily about.... anyway what I meant is that then you could get a red dye for the cost of one red dye+cheinkins as apposed to like 20 red dyes or something, which unless I'm entireily mistaken due to being a bit rusty regarding those things, I'm fairily sure is still cheaper. (Dying something red was like, one of the last straws that originally made me want to quit this game....)
But I digress, I don't want to delve into a conversation about anything when pretty much 4/5ths of words look fuzzy, so I'll just leave this here:
[6/22/2013 11:51:26 PM]: For that transfer thing
[6/22/2013 11:51:38 PM]: Make it so only clothes of the same type can have their colors switched
[6/22/2013 11:51:40 PM]: shirts with shirts
[6/22/2013 11:51:43 PM]: dresses with dresses
[6/22/2013 11:51:45 PM]: shoes with shoes
[6/22/2013 11:51:47 PM]: so on and so on
[6/22/2013 11:51:48 PM]: though
[6/22/2013 11:51:55 PM]: In my opinion, not an idea worth implementing
[6/22/2013 11:52:06 PM]: It makes no sense
^a friend of mine didn't post on actual thread but relayed that to me instead, so I'll putting it here for them x3.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Hmmm... let me think. I was thinking more about those one of a kind, random colors that you cannot get through dyes. Know what I mean? Those skin colored tones, those off black/whites, etc etc. You CANNOT dye stuff that color unless you slavish oodles of randoms... and then that still may not be good enough. You'll get something close, but perhaps not just what you want, but you can't get better so you live with it.

So if I'm looking for a rare skin-colored item, I could, instead of just giving up or putting up with something that doesn't quite match my skin colored pants, I could instead scour the ah for any piece of fashion with the color I want, buy that fashion, then use a number of chienkuns to switch that color onto the top I want to match with my skin colored pants. This isn't about trying to bilk the system, lol. Of course they can adjust the $ side of this so people don't abuse it. But for real fashion visionaires, this would be a godsend, and that is how I am looking at it.

As far as limitations like shirts>shirts, that seems unnecessary really. You could just set the chienkun cost based on the more expensive of the two items in terms of how many dyes are necessary to dye it. So you wouldn't be able to easily put rare colors onto the good fashion that takes a lot of dyes, it'd still cost you a lot.

This just seems to me a natural extension of dying sets of fashion!

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Heck, i had another idea: instead of using chienkuns as our infusor item, which means we have to worry about relative market values, why not use white or black dyes. Example: to infuse a given color item into another, you have to consume white or black dyes. That keeps the value of color infusing tied into the pigment market, and ensures its not too cheap to boot.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Veneir, re-read the modified OP. Even you can't complain now I'll bet. No way that this could be hurting sales of black/white/red dyes because this process would never be cheaper than that, due to the fact that it requires black/white/red dyes to do it; if anything it could boost sales of them.

Nariin - Dreamweaver

I think it would work. If I understood correctly, the idea is move a random color from fashion A to fashion B, while the cost of dying with red/black/white pigment] is smaller then the transfer process. Basically, you over-pay if you really want that color.

Ex.
[fash A (x pigm)]
[fash B (y pigm)]

To to make a color swap it would cost x+y red/white/black dyes.

If fash A would have been white and costed 1 pigment to color, the price of swapping would be at least 2 dyes (1 each), so it could not be cheaper.

Apostasy - Raging Tide

there is no reason that the dye color transfer needs to use the most expensive dyes in doing this...

instead, make the transfer need [Chienkeng Stone] and [Random Dye], both x number of slots to dye both items...

So fash A has 4 dyes need and fash B has 19 dyes needed...

23 Chienkeng Stones and 23 Random Dye would be needed in the transfer...

and im sure pwi would make a fortune on this...

doing random dyes also would bring random dyes themsleves back onto the catshops... cant find them anywhere these days b:surrender

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Personally I don't buy new fashion because of the terrible dye system. In real life I only buy clothes in colors that I like and there's no way I'm buying clothes in ugly colors.

The dye system may make some money but it also lowers the sale of clothes and probably ends up costing more money than it makes. They should just remove the dye system entirely and let people buy the clothes in whatever color they want.

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Veneir, re-read the modified OP. Even you can't complain now I'll bet. No way that this could be hurting sales of black/white/red dyes because this process would never be cheaper than that, due to the fact that it requires black/white/red dyes to do it; if anything it could boost sales of them.

Pffff
Absoluteily no way I'd ever do that, though, your first idea was better.... so no, now I actually have complaints about it as apposed to seeing a loophole(and I wasn't even complaining before).... x3 White/Black dyes don't need to become even more expensive and it'd really suck/make no sense to have to transfer based on the value of black/white dyes.... when you first posted you had a new idea based on them I couldn't really understand where you were diverting into because it was making the idea more convoluted and whatnot than nessesary OTL

Anyway, I agree more with Apostasy, that version of the idea actually sounds pretty reasonable.
..oh this became a new page so I'll quote 'im on it.

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

there is no reason that the dye color transfer needs to use the most expensive dyes in doing this...

instead, make the transfer need [Chienkeng Stone] and [Random Dye], both x number of slots to dye both items...

So fash A has 4 dyes need and fash B has 19 dyes needed...

23 Chienkeng Stones and 23 Random Dye would be needed in the transfer...

and im sure pwi would make a fortune on this...

doing random dyes also would bring random dyes themsleves back onto the catshops... cant find them anywhere these days b:surrender

By the by, isn't there some sort of system for dying entire sets of clothing and that like... takes the clothing item that needs the most dyes and just multiplies that by the number of clothing items there is total? Why aren't these dyes based off of that instead of addition, anyway?

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

They should just remove the dye system entirely and let people buy the clothes in whatever color they want.

We all want that but PWI will never get rid of dye system...
I liked the idea of switching colors from a fashion to another... I'm not good at thinking what it'll make to the economy or if will be more expensive or cheaper, but for what you all wrote seems very confusing o.o

Nariin - Dreamweaver

MetzliDemon - Harshlands wrote: »

We all want that but PWI will never get rid of dye system...
I liked the idea of switching colors from a fashion to another... I'm not good at thinking what it'll make to the economy or if will be more expensive or cheaper, but for what you all wrote seems very confusing o.o

I have tons of fash, and personally I don't mind the dying system at all. Sure it's annoying when you get unwanted colors many times in row with random dyes, but then you get a cool one time to time, and it's like ...yay!

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Personally I don't buy new fashion because of the terrible dye system. In real life I only buy clothes in colors that I like and there's no way I'm buying clothes in ugly colors.

The dye system may make some money but it also lowers the sale of clothes and probably ends up costing more money than it makes. They should just remove the dye system entirely and let people buy the clothes in whatever color they want.

What they should do is...

15g [Dye Tub] - This item is used to choose a color to 1 fashion piece of any type and is consumed upon use.

1g per [Dye Pill] - These items are used in a number equal to how many dyes a fashion would use to dye normally. This item is used with a Dye Tub and are consumed upon use.

This would not be as wasteful as random dyes (so they might not go for it), but this would definitely allow players to dye fashion pieces the colors of their choice and would sell, even though it would get expensive.

-- Add to that, Id like to see head fashion dyeable too (such as dark lord hoods)

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

ooh yess I have an epic shade of crimson red, so much better than the garish red pigment.