7+1 reasons to love the update (even if you aren't OP)

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

1. BH rewards boosted.
"wait what? i still get chips!" yeah but you get mystical pills for the meridian system "booo the median system is **** for cashopers boo" *sigh* yeah, and guess who buys them for 150k (dreamweaver rate).

2. NW is more about strategy
so... on my first battle (crystal) I run into that squad. the r9rr+12 josd, maxed NW gear. guess which squad pk'ed like morons and which squad won the battle by sneaking around and getting crystals while the rest were keeping them busy. 2k contri too!

2. Faster bh aba.
with 10 people in squad, even if you are tt90 green it >will< go faster especially since after the puppet you tele to boss. plus, with 10 people in squad -> more chances to get more "op" people in squad or get accepted despite your lower gear.

3. Weekly aba
G10 gems for a really fun instance? hell yes!

4. Potential for awesome stuff with the new AI
Puppet squad ftw; I just can't wait till pwi uses that AI in more stuff! (I doubt that they did all that coding for just one instance)

5. Meridian system
Yeah, small boost. Yeah, takes long. But.. at the moment I get 4 attacks per day!
After all, guess for whom 1k hp is more useful; the 4k cleric or the 20k r9rr psy

6. Fun little things
Leon love: still a better love story than twilight! (not the twilight temple story ofc!)

7. Event board quests
to be released!

and finally...

0. you are a veno
nix hurts again b:cry

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Oh, oh, oh! You're forgetting the new Veno pet system (though other classes don't really benefit from this)... And even get 27 free Stars a day to use as a lot of pet exp or to save up and evolve out pets... We even get the 27 Stars if we just go in the instance and just stand pretty for like 15 minutes... And you'll get even more if you're actually good at it (even books and such I heard)... I just adore the new system... Well done PWI... Happy fox here... f:victory

The Meridian system is also pretty cool... Free extra stats~! Who cares if it takes a while... f:grin

And yes, I keep hearing more and more that TTGreen ppl are actually able to do the new caves... So it can't be that bad after all... f:meh

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Think my only QQ bout update is TM SoT and Aba. They crash like delta glitch

ShibaShiba - Raging Tide

yes we got some neat new stuff. but we have the same basic and stupid issues we get with EVERY EXPANSION, like messed up tw-times. one could effortlessly make a much, much longer list that has the word hate in it. :P

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2. NW is more about strategy

can you share this pro strategy you are talking about? the new nation wars has almost 300 maps, my server (raging tide) has not even 800 participants, that is a generous 2 vs 2 on average. is that the reason why NW is #2 on your list?

"let's go to point E24!"
".. ... .... GOT IT!"
"nvm batte was won by 2 ppl before we could get in"
"lets see, 1 person, 3 persons, 5 persons, oh 10 on G12, lets go G12"
".. ... .... GOT IT!"


the ui is - typical for pwi - more than 'design challenged'.
-you can zoom for no reason except to make it harder to find X when it is out of zoom.
-squad leader cannot put a beacon on map for squad.
-chat window loses focus for no reason every few seconds. (not limited to nw but particularly annoying there)
-we still have utterly useless "e23 is under attack" spam, that cannot be filtered.


i like the new map objectives and the rubberband overhaul of the old map is also great, but this humungous map is for SERVER VERSUS SERVER. it does NOT work with a barely populated single server!

so please, for the love of pan gu, peace and blessings be upon him, merge servers or enable SvS!

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

i disagree with NW. its not strategy. its about hide and seek

Chrisssss - Sanctuary

Agreed can pills be sold? Thought it was untradeable? Yeah only complaint I have is this map is way too big they really need to get server v server going. Don't forget about the new gem system its really nice.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

The pills from 100+ BH or boutique are tradeable.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Think my only QQ bout update is TM SoT and Aba. They crash like delta glitch

Those mods have been crashing forever, the old SoT was doable but it was glitchy as hell. Havent tried new TM modes yet.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

The .01 reason: instead of getting about 2 reflection shards a day, I also get 4 mystical pills! And oh oh, instead of attendance pages for logging into the game everyday, I get meridian thingy circle activation attempts too!

Xainou - Sanctuary

My only complains about the update: The tabbing guards in veno isntance. Either you're in PK mode or you're screwed. Plus the delay with removing people from faction. Who even thought this would EVER be a good idea...?


Besides that, loving this update.

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

1) No care
2) This game was never about strategy
3) Nothing wrong with that
10) Yay, now we will have all those noob herc / nix veno former players going back from sin to herc/nix veno with the nixes again!

seitori

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1. BH rewards boosted.
"wait what? i still get chips!" yeah but you get mystical pills for the meridian system "booo the median system is **** for cashopers boo" *sigh* yeah, and guess who buys them for 150k (dreamweaver rate).

2. NW is more about strategy
so... on my first battle (crystal) I run into that squad. the r9rr+12 josd, maxed NW gear. guess which squad pk'ed like morons and which squad won the battle by sneaking around and getting crystals while the rest were keeping them busy. 2k contri too!

2. Faster bh aba.
with 10 people in squad, even if you are tt90 green it >will< go faster especially since after the puppet you tele to boss. plus, with 10 people in squad -> more chances to get more "op" people in squad or get accepted despite your lower gear.

3. Weekly aba
G10 gems for a really fun instance? hell yes!

4. Potential for awesome stuff with the new AI
Puppet squad ftw; I just can't wait till pwi uses that AI in more stuff! (I doubt that they did all that coding for just one instance)

5. Meridian system
Yeah, small boost. Yeah, takes long. But.. at the moment I get 4 attacks per day!
After all, guess for whom 1k hp is more useful; the 4k cleric or the 20k r9rr psy

6. Fun little things
Leon love: still a better love story than twilight! (not the twilight temple story ofc!)

7. Event board quests
to be released!

and finally...

0. you are a veno
nix hurts again b:cry

I just luv this (OP) post!!!b:pleased

I wonder how long B4 the QQ'rs show up (en-mass) to say 'NEY, NIYET, IEI & just plain NO! It Can't Be!! My World Has ENDED!!!b:cry' As they get all 'mad & dramatic' that they aren't adapting to well to this patch yet....b:chuckle

Jadsia - Lost City

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Think my only QQ bout update is TM SoT and Aba. They crash like delta glitch

I'm sure they'll get around to fixing that like they did delta.b:laugh

in a few years.

ShibaShiba - Raging Tide wrote: »

yes we got some neat new stuff. but we have the same basic and stupid issues we get with EVERY EXPANSION, like messed up tw-times. one could effortlessly make a much, much longer list that has the word hate in it. :Pcan you share this pro strategy you are talking about? the new nation wars has almost 300 maps, my server (raging tide) has not even 800 participants, that is a generous 2 vs 2 on average. is that the reason why NW is #2 on your list?

"let's go to point E24!"
".. ... .... GOT IT!"
"nvm batte was won by 2 ppl before we could get in"
"lets see, 1 person, 3 persons, 5 persons, oh 10 on G12, lets go G12"
".. ... .... GOT IT!"


the ui is - typical for pwi - more than 'design challenged'.
-you can zoom for no reason except to make it harder to find X when it is out of zoom.
-squad leader cannot put a beacon on map for squad.
-chat window loses focus for no reason every few seconds. (not limited to nw but particularly annoying there)
-we still have utterly useless "e23 is under attack" spam, that cannot be filtered.


i like the new map objectives and the rubberband overhaul of the old map is also great, but this humungous map is for SERVER VERSUS SERVER. it does NOT work with a barely populated single server!

so please, for the love of pan gu, peace and blessings be upon him, merge servers or enable SvS!

They're working in server v server wars. And I do have a feeling that a merge may occur at some time in the future. Besides I don't know what's wrong with you people on RT but even though there were many battles with single digit players on each side we did have some real epic battles with 20 to 30 on each side on Lost City. At least we got to choose between mass chaos and small battles.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

My only complains about the update: The tabbing guards in veno isntance. Either you're in PK mode or you're screwed. Plus the delay with removing people from faction. Who even thought this would EVER be a good idea...?


Besides that, loving this update.

I bet the dev that thought the faction thing was a good idea is the same person who thought making regions on the LC server where level 1 to 30 toons are white named and PK'able like around TT (HH as I call it).

tweakz

People are going to qq over the next big update. Why? -Because they always do. Someone will always come along and point out the good. It's been going on the past 5 years and people don't catch on that the updates are generally good, and most of if not all the qq is hair brained.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

seitori wrote: »

I just luv this (OP) post!!!b:pleased

I wonder how long B4 the QQ'rs show up (en-mass) to say 'NEY, NIYET, IEI & just plain NO! It Can't Be!! My World Has ENDED!!!b:cry' As they get all 'mad & dramatic' that they aren't adapting to well to this patch yet....b:chuckle

QQing in someone's appreciation topic would be rude... There are enough topics already that offer the room to QQ your hearts out about this subject... So I hope they keep the QQing over there... b:cute

Jadsia - Lost City

tweakz wrote: »

People are going to qq over the next big update. Why? -Because they always do. Someone will always come along and point out the good. It's been going on the past 5 years and people don't catch on that the updates are generally good, and most of if not all the qq is hair brained.

I believe that is because the updates somehow nerf their ability to run ramshot through the game with little effort. Look at the QQ. It's either "The instances are way to hard now and my ****-geared 9x frost baby can't conquer an end-game instance with other **** geared 9x people" or "They killed off an instance where ex OP players like me used to herp derp in 5 mins and got rich selling the mats we got by creating events and instances that drop mats that anyone in an appropriate level range can get to make gears better than what I worked my as off to get and be so OP and one of the elite and popular classes. My APS ain't worth **** now that anyone can get those mats which caused the prices to plummet and now r*ping NV is so obsolete and now this game is dead and sh*t. QQ."

For some reason requiring a player to actually put some effort into being able to use their char and nerfing a huge advantage very few had over the many economically is more than some can handle even though it does make the game better for the majority of in-game peasants like me.

XCableX - Archosaur

lol i wouldn't be surprised if PWI or Chine hire a secret team to play those puppets in Abba to secretly **** off some people during the instance.
I mean, if they perform that well then... lol.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

"The instances are way to hard now and my ****-geared 9x frost baby can't conquer an end-game instance with other **** geared 9x people"

I can assure you that having **** gear has nothing to do with FF... It's more of a lack of patience, time, good connections in Friendlist/Faction, and ways to grind and keep up with the full-time players (according to most players that actually do farm instances, you need gear to farm you gear, and even if something you need drops, they'll charge you even for that)... As far as I know, the ones being able to pay their way up to 100 through plvles usually also immediately get themselves OP armor as soon as they're 100... So it's completely unrelated... f:cute

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

They're working in server v server wars. And I do have a feeling that a merge may occur at some time in the future.

u have hope XD

if im right, we were suposed to have server vs server like, 2 years ago for PWIC (think that was the name?) to go to cross version tournament. but we couldnt, was working on it, so instead we got the contest about killing harpy

(out of topic, but im right that tournament occured this year and we didnt even hear about it here)

yet, 2 years later we dont have cross-server. doubt it will ever happen

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Before I had my update done, I came to the forums to take a look at what people were saying about the new things... I saw so much QQ I got scared and thought "Is the update THAT bad?! wow! o.o" and when I finally get into the game and after seeing how the Meridian thing work and after a bh sot and aba done idk why people were QQing so much, sot and aba aren't that hard to do after all! f:stare
BH rewards balanced, yay! Loved how on 1st bh after the update I received 5m f:grin I like the Meridian thing, took a while to understand it but it's cool! The revamped aba and sot, at 1st sight they seem a little complex to understand where to go, but with 10man squad it's not something that can't be done (I did full sot with a pretty decent squad, at a part we split up because ones wanted to kill a boss 1st and others wanted to kill other, and even with just half of squad, we were alright killing a boss!) f:cool (ok, the squad had some r9's but still... f:flower)

Jadsia - Lost City

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I can assure you that having **** gear has nothing to do with FF... It's more of a lack of patience, time, good connections in Friendlist/Faction, and ways to grind and keep up with the full-time players (according to most players that actually do farm instances, you need gear to farm you gear, and even if something you need drops, they'll charge you even for that)... As far as I know, the ones being able to pay their way up to 100 through plvles usually also immediately get themselves OP armor as soon as they're 100... So it's completely unrelated... f:cute

You got to my point at the end of your statement. Those who powerlevel through frost usually do not invest in gear until they are level 100 or so. That's why I mentioned frost babies wearing **** gears. I'll go even further than that by saying that they don't even invest in their skills and cultis until then either so they really limit their ability to play their char efficiently. There are whole other threads here that poke fun of players like that.

I will stand by what I said about these new and old instances. People who truly invest in their char as they level from 1 to 100, and I mean doing every culti and learning every skill and learning how and when to use their skills while SOLO AND IN SQUADS as they progress, won't have the issues that many of these people in the forum are QQing about. I've seen 8x chars run circles around even some 10x r9s because the 8x knew how to play their class better which includes all the cultis and skills. I swear to god the next 10x BM that we invite to delta has to ask us what the HF skill is when we request he use it I'm going to KOS them. So yeah, I will associate **** gear and lack of skills and know how to leveling a toon through frost.

Most of the squads I've been in during my 5 years in the game have been with random people especially these days. I don't rely on in-game friends and faction members to assist me in my dailies or events. There's a lot of pros and cons to playing that way but that's how I feel most comfortable. So as far as grinding for exp and coin I have my methods. I can solo many bosses in TT for mats but not all. I sell the mats I can farm to buy the mats I can't farm. Also I did an experiment with a low level toon as a catshop selling raps last month and it netted me over 600 mil. in 4 weeks just to prove a point. Some people find that hard to believe while others consider that pretty lame profits for being a merchant. One does not have to grind instances and brave the open map to farm gears if they decide they want to set up shop and use profits from that to buy their gears and skills. I know some 3rd cast r9 with JOSDs and +12 that bought their gears without spending a dime in zen. If a total noob merchant like me can make 600 mil in a month just think what the pros are raking in.

In all honesty here I truly believe that those new people who choose to powerlevel through frost and skip most of the game in the process are selling themselves short. Even some of the experienced players trying to level an alt. It's true that you get out of something what you are willing to put into it be it time, money and effort or all of that. And those who choose the quick and easy route aren't being fair to themselves or their team members in so many ways for doing that.

seitori

MetzliDemon - Harshlands wrote: »

Before I had my update done, I came to the forums to take a look at what people were saying about the new things... I saw so much QQ I got scared and thought "Is the update THAT bad?! wow! o.o" and when I finally get into the game and after seeing how the Meridian thing work and after a bh sot and aba done idk why people were QQing so much, sot and aba aren't that hard to do after all! f:stare
BH rewards balanced, yay! Loved how on 1st bh after the update I received 5m f:grin I like the Meridian thing, took a while to understand it but it's cool! The revamped aba and sot, at 1st sight they seem a little complex to understand where to go, but with 10man squad it's not something that can't be done (I did full sot with a pretty decent squad, at a part we split up because ones wanted to kill a boss 1st and others wanted to kill other, and even with just half of squad, we were alright killing a boss!) f:cool (ok, the squad had some r9's but still... f:flower)

Yep, I agree... At first with what I had read of the enhancements the patch had mentioned, I was worried... But afterwards when I went on squads to go test both 'Abba & SoT' I liked how they had set them up now...

And as for NW, despite the fact that some of the Super Heavies are whining and QQ'ing about it somehow magically nerfing their Token Counts (when in fact is thats its more along the reality that alot more people are now making higher scores elsewhere in the fields then ever before (for their nations) thats messing up their old expected token counts) I actually had a Major BLAST in Fridays NW, a feeling I hadn't had since the very first month that the NW's came out...

So I for 1 like how the Updates have worked so far...b:victory

trands

Agree on most.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2. NW is more about strategy

I'd like to get some real battles on the new maps. The strategy part is only on theoretical lvl for me now b:surrender

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

0. you are a veno
nix hurts again b:cry

It's good that the pets actually got a purpose again. They became just "that fox that has to be shot before reaching 12m". Venos really needed the boost.

And it's nice to see the evolved version of pets. Some look really cool/pretty.

Toliman - Raging Tide

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1. BH rewards boosted.
"wait what? i still get chips!" yeah but you get mystical pills for the meridian system "booo the median system is **** for cashopers boo" *sigh* yeah, and guess who buys them for 150k (dreamweaver rate).
Not completed it even once. During time to get and sell this pill ... I can farm more coins during 2x.
2. NW is more about strategy
so... on my first battle (crystal) I run into that squad. the r9rr+12 josd, maxed NW gear. guess which squad pk'ed like morons and which squad won the battle by sneaking around and getting crystals while the rest were keeping them busy. 2k contri too!
Congratulations ? And if I myself level 81 and don't like PVP ? What is purpose of NW for me ?

2. Faster bh aba.
with 10 people in squad, even if you are tt90 green it >will< go faster especially since after the puppet you tele to boss. plus, with 10 people in squad -> more chances to get more "op" people in squad or get accepted despite your lower gear.
High-level quests ...
3. Weekly aba
G10 gems for a really fun instance? hell yes!
High-level quests ...
4. Potential for awesome stuff with the new AI
Puppet squad ftw; I just can't wait till pwi uses that AI in more stuff! (I doubt that they did all that coding for just one instance)
High-level quests ...
5. Meridian system
Yeah, small boost. Yeah, takes long. But.. at the moment I get 4 attacks per day!
After all, guess for whom 1k hp is more useful; the 4k cleric or the 20k r9rr psy
Not completed it even once. During time to get this pill ... I can farm coins during 2x... 1000 more HP for me with 3750HP ... Barb's buff ?

6. Fun little things
Leon love: still a better love story than twilight! (not the twilight temple story ofc!)
Who is Leon ?

7. Event board quests
to be released!
To be discussed.

and finally...

0. you are a veno
nix hurts again b:cry
I am Wizard.

Answers are in another color.

During 1 day of 2x I got more than 15k DQ points for one of my accounts.

2x is one only change of this update in comparison with game before update.

Jadsia - Lost City

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

Answers are in another color.

During 1 day of 2x I got more than 15k DQ points for one of my accounts.

2x is one only change of this update in comparison with game before update.

I guess your in-game life really sucks when it isn't 2x.

Toliman - Raging Tide

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

I guess your in-game life really sucks when it isn't 2x.

And by the way, my catshop makes 12 to 15 mil a day on the most mediocre days whether it's 2x or not. What's your point?

I play in game as Wizard, not in catshop.

Sorry, but if my character in game, then I play.

Colum - Raging Tide

Dual cllient ftw.

Also it's sad how people want to turn good posts like this into QQ.

Jadsia - Lost City

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

I play in game as Wizard, not in catshop.

Sorry, but if my character in game, then I play.

I do both. How else was I supposed to get the 80+ mil to by NV 3rd cast daggers and +5 them for a friend and spend another 40 mil on skills and gears for myself in a week?

You get out of this what you're willing to put into it. Just sayin.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

I didn't saw the New Sot/Aba Topic active so allow me to post it here... b:thanks

I just did BH Aba on Archer (5,3k HP unbuffed)... Got invited as last spot while rest waited for me at Peachblossom NPC (few squad members got themselves lost somehow so I had all the time I needed anyway)... Went in with no HP buff, no IH stacks... Put on Winged Shell and Wings of Grace, then ran through using Holy Path... I also noticed that if you pay really good attention and have some overall gaming experience, you can actually avoid most off the boulders... I stayed at the side and avoided most boulders with good timing... When I got through all of the I only got hit a total of 1 time... If I had gotten more hits with my skills on, I would've die when I'd receive the 3rd hit... And then add up the HP buff, Salvation shield, IH stacks you can normally get on top of that as well... So it's pretty doable for anyone who has some gaming experience...

Didn't get to participate in the puppet boss... But I assume that at that boss squishy DD's are pretty much disposable (meaning they can be left dead until boss is dead if needed)... I see no problem there... I've seen the boss fight earlier on mom's screen though... Doesn't look too hard as long as adds are getting killed on time... BH boss was dead in 5 seconds... Not much to say about that...

I still have my Veno to do later... Gonna see if I can get through boulders again without getting hit at all... To see if my theory is correct... Though I'll luckily be HP buffed then in case I do get hit... And afcourse my Blazing Barrier skill will also prove to be useful... But overall it's a pretty fun BH... f:victory

tweakz

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I didn't saw the New Sot/Aba Topic active so allow me to post it here... b:thanks

I just did BH Aba on Archer (5,3k HP unbuffed)... Got invited as last spot while rest waited for me at Peachblossom NPC (few squad members got themselves lost somehow so I had all the time I needed anyway)... Went in with no HP buff, no IH stacks... Put on Winged Shell and Wings of Grace, then ran through using Holy Path... I also noticed that if you pay really good attention and have some overall gaming experience, you can actually avoid most off the boulders... I stayed at the side and avoided most boulders with good timing... When I got through all of the I only got hit a total of 1 time... If I had gotten more hits with my skills on, I would've die when I'd receive the 3rd hit... And then add up the HP buff, Salvation shield, IH stacks you can normally get on top of that as well... So it's pretty doable for anyone who has some gaming experience...

Didn't get to participate in the puppet boss... But I assume that at that boss squishy DD's are pretty much disposable (meaning they can be left dead until boss is dead if needed)... I see no problem there... I've seen the boss fight earlier on mom's screen though... Doesn't look too hard as long as adds are getting killed on time... BH boss was dead in 5 seconds... Not much to say about that...

I still have my Veno to do later... Gonna see if I can get through boulders again without getting hit at all... To see if my theory is correct... Though I'll luckily be HP buffed then in case I do get hit... And afcourse my Blazing Barrier skill will also prove to be useful... But overall it's a pretty fun BH... f:victory

It was frustrating as a cleric to get the worst squad of 6 runs for that part. Every other squad for my alts made it through, and I even told them: watch the mini-map! They would res and die over and over. It's good to know some people are figuring it out.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

It was frustrating as a cleric to get the worst squad of 6 runs for that part. Every other squad for my alts made it through, and I even told them: watch the mini-map! They would res and die over and over. It's good to know some people are figuring it out.

And it was only my 1st-ever attempt too... Guess I really proved just now that noob-gear doesn't mean noob-player... f:grin