NW Farming

Salari - Raging Tide

So I have been working on a nablet barb to farm nw tokens and totally forgot about the culti min and instead decided to either go on my 80ish seeker or 80ish psy. It was hard to figure out which would troll the hardest on all the facerolling r9rs3 nabs so I went with psy. The first victim was an archer I think, he paid me no mind at all. So i popped him once and he was sealed/whatever and then he got hammered from everywhere. From the flavor-able pm message the archer gave me I knew I chose the right char.

Fridays NW got 71 tokens in 3rd place
Sundays NW got 53 or so tokens in 3rd place.(dealed less dmg, flyed around instead of walking)

Not bad and not really much less than what my sin or barb would get.

Only thing I used up was a leftover dq hp and mp charm. Sundays NW only cost me 30-50 herbs and I did not even bother to use hp pots and only self healed myself (rarely at that). At that level with 3k hp(death buff)(4k with instance buff) I am a mostly a one shot except for the nab aps sins running around with pixies and npc gear. Heck I got hit a few times from g13 niv daggers that made me laugh. I actually killed a few sins(poor gear obviously) and did decent damage for just having a FFC weapon.

Not bad at all for almost a zero cost nw farmer(aside repair/herbs mp) vs my atleast 2 dq charms on sin or atleast 2 on my barb. I may try my seeker some time to see if he can troll just as hard and just as cheap.

Lastly I wont be in NW again on either or my high level chars. Why waste the time farming for dq and coins when I can save that for TW and gear upgrades.

Some time down the road if you see a 89 psy with a warsoul weapon in NW named TossedSalad you know you getting ready to get trolled into the ground.

f:hehe

Salari - Raging Tide

Must be scared

b:laugh

Zsw - Dreamweaver

What?

So I guess you are confirming that ranged DDs do indeed spend less on charm and pots than melees do?

Salari - Raging Tide

I can only confirm I dont use any hp pots in NW on my psy just mp pots. I can not confirm what end game toons use during nw only what I use. Hp pots are a waste of coins with such a low hp pool on my psy. Oh got another 48 tokens tonight for last place.

What I am really only proving is a 80's char can do just as well as a near end game char in nw if you play smart. I still want to try my 60ish barb and see how I do on that. If i am right he will have more hp than my main barb (24.5k) and more def lvl's as well, but alot lower defences aside def lvl's. Should be interesting.

Boartracker - Raging Tide

b:laugh Sounds interesting. Maybe the R9rr's will start running NW on <90 characters to save resources & make more coins. I'll have to try a lower level toon as I'm starting to feel that T2 is too OP for NWs b:thanks

b:bye

Salari - Raging Tide

another 55 tokens for last place tonight keep them comming

f:hehe

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

It seems to have so little to do with your own performance. Ive done 4 NW now. My personaly score has increased gradually over these 4 NWs from ~6000 to ~8000. My token rewards have decreased 200 - 120 - 109 - 76

(G16+6 barb uncharmed, apoth only when holding flag)

Fissile - Archosaur

Unfortunately it has a lot to do with luck. If you end up in a bad nation you will get bad rewards regardless of how well you perform personally.

Salari - Raging Tide

Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »

Unfortunately it has a lot to do with luck. If you end up in a bad nation you will get bad rewards regardless of how well you perform personally.

This is a big reason aside testing of why I am just using a low lvl alt now. This past NW on Sunday I got right at 5k contribution with 55 tokens. If that is the worst I will do (with that amount of contri) I will take it. Its no loss at all for me. I have used around 200~ herbs from the last 4 NW's and thats it.

The flip side of this, if I had used my barb or sin, it would have been pretty horrible. The best I have done is on my sin with about 10k~ contribution with a little over 100 tokens(last place i think). That cost me 2 charms. I can get contribution alot easier on my barb but i am stuck at that same delima of charm ****. I have encountered several casters that could one hit me (24k~) but most of the time its just a hammer fest.

I have no aggravation on my alt and I pour out tons of it. I know what my char can and cant do so I wont get mad if I cant get in that last minute massive hit for the win. This last NW I even won a single map by myself (no opp 2 flags) for 600 credits, and carried the flag on one for about 250 credits. That add's up after a while.

Salari - Raging Tide

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

It seems to have so little to do with your own performance. Ive done 4 NW now. My personaly score has increased gradually over these 4 NWs from ~6000 to ~8000. My token rewards have decreased 200 - 120 - 109 - 76

(G16+6 barb uncharmed, apoth only when holding flag)

A lot of that has to do with the amount of people competing and which place you finish

Zsw - Dreamweaver

I don't think a 9x could ever compete with the 20k+ points that end game chars can get on average. Alot of points come from tanking damage. I've had flag carrier barbs get more points than me when all they do is carry the flag, even though I definitely kill way more enemies. So if you can kill AND tank, then you're going to be scoring a lot. Unfortunately, I don't think a 9x can pull that off.

Salari - Raging Tide

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't think a 9x could ever compete with the 20k+ points that end game chars can get on average. Alot of points come from tanking damage. I've had flag carrier barbs get more points than me when all they do is carry the flag, even though I definitely kill way more enemies. So if you can kill AND tank, then you're going to be scoring a lot. Unfortunately, I don't think a 9x can pull that off.

I think you are missing my whole point(if this is directed at my post). You don't need a end game char to compete. The whole point of having a farming char in NW is to the ability to make coins at low or zero cost. I could over time spend alot of real money or farming time to gear my sin or barb to the max but the time it would take to make a profit for all that time farming would be a long time.

I may not get 20k points, the most so far is right at 6k, but the cost of my char compared to the 20k end game chars is silly. I might have 10m coins max in my char, how much do those end game chars have? billions?

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

OP has valid point, though not for the reasons he/she is thinking I suspect.

With the recent nerfs, a nothing character---somebody with pitiful gear who doesn't do much of anything at all--- still can get tokens. A lot of tokens.

What this means is, better gear and skill doesn't count for as much anymore.

This means all the poor, undergeared nabs out there should be rejoicing right now. They do next to nothing and get a bigger piece of the pie. The other people who did work hard to gear and skill themselves up, are getting much less for their efforts.

Basically, there's less reason to even bother to gear yourself up. Show up at a fight, do next to nothing, still leech some credits. Go into enough lands, get a passable score. No charm costs, hp/mp costs, no def charm costs. Not really contributing to winning any lands. Just leeching points.

I for one deplore this. Why should the ungeared people feel such a sense of entitlement anyways? They clearly haven't put as much work into gearing themselves up, and yet they get increasingly similar token counts. 10mil coins into gear vs 1bil, for example, a 100fold difference, but yet the 10mil geared person can expect to get 1/3 to 1/2 of the token count the 1bil geared person gets! Those who did gear themselves up over months or years of work, have less incentive to bother trying. Why go all out on one character when you can throw some alts into nation wars and get almost the same token count.

To me, it only seems right that the more effort you put into gear, the more tokens you get, so that you are continually rewarded, increment by increment, for your efforts. Now though... why even bother. Log alts, do nothing, get tokens. Leech.

What a sham!

Aeliah

phoenixwar

I am the 99% hooray f:grin
Besides its not like in the previous NW people never leeched points to begin with.
Its just easier to contribute to your nation now with less, I for one suppose this.

Higher gear players will naturally get more tokens than lower gear players, but the lower gears can now actually win with numbers, in the previous NW if you had 20 people in one map and 3 enemies who were full blown r9s3 + 10 you didn't stand a chance, now rather than just standing there and being farmed we can do something productive that helps our nation.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why should the ungeared people feel such a sense of entitlement anyways?

And you got your own entitlement, "Im better geared I deserve better score". No, just no. If you are more useful to your nation, you deserve better score and while gear helps being useful it really isnt the only thing that matters. You can QQ bout the new map all you want, I dont like it myself, or you can adapt while its in place. And gearing up still has major impact, higher soul force clearly gives higher rank inside battles, thus increasing your personal score by significant amount.

For example I (38k sf) was doing NW on Sunday with friend, she is full r9 first cast archer with +5ish refines(15kish sf). We went to same maps bout the same time (Called on vent where to go so we arrived few seconds apart). I would land rank 1 90% of the battles, she`d been landing 2-5 mostly(Rank 1 once), I remember battle she was 9th I think. I ended up with 23k personal score, she did end up with 15-18k, cant remember where exactly she landed. And she was dealing/taking more damage in some battles for sure while I was ranking higher than she was. I ended bout 50-70 tokens ahead of her.

Summing it up, while this map promotes winning empty battles and thus impact of gear is lessened, it still promotes being geared. The amount of small scale battles we won for outgearing & out playing enemy was high, think we lost 2 battles in total that time while capping 20ish lands for our nation. And with the whole higher soul force, higher score I call lazy way to simulate players impact you cant count with number, QQing how being geared isnt worth it is silly.

Ps. Nothing like beating squad of friends that out gear and out number you .